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Counter Tactics plus Increased Power Gain is a bad mechanic
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Hi, folks!
Just got around to to the final boss fight in the Boseman/Holland Challenge, and out of all the fights and nodes, the thread title is the only one that truly bothered me.
I actually like Counter Tactics. It forces you to intercept, not just stand there and block, because of the chip damage. That's fair.
Increased Power Gain has been around just about forever. Also fair. Bait out specials, so on and so forth.
The problem is when they are both together -- the cumulative effect is actually a penalty to the player for landing successful attacks/intercepts, which you have to do in this fight. The aggression of the boss AI means you have to move forward -- you cannot allow yourself to be boxed into your zone or the corner, again, because of the chip damage.
But moving forward means you have to fight offensively, which means pushing Thanos' Power Gain out of control. Yes, evading the L1 is basic. The L2 isn't difficult, either. I am not a noob. I know how to play the game.
What I found is that the combination of the aggressive AI, the power gain and chip damage means you push Thanos to his L3 too often and too quickly -- I ate a couple of those where I did nothing wrong. He wouldn't use the L2, I couldn't just take the chip damage so I had to intercept, and there you go: L3 time.
I think, if you are going to have Counter Tactics plus Power Gain plus and Unblockable L1, the character should at least have a Special Bias for L1 and L2. That means the player isn't completely penalized for intercepting and playing successful offense, while having the ability to evade successfully on defense plus the ability to bait specials, and not just stand there and absorb them.
That sounds more fair to me. Am I alone in this?
Just got around to to the final boss fight in the Boseman/Holland Challenge, and out of all the fights and nodes, the thread title is the only one that truly bothered me.
I actually like Counter Tactics. It forces you to intercept, not just stand there and block, because of the chip damage. That's fair.
Increased Power Gain has been around just about forever. Also fair. Bait out specials, so on and so forth.
The problem is when they are both together -- the cumulative effect is actually a penalty to the player for landing successful attacks/intercepts, which you have to do in this fight. The aggression of the boss AI means you have to move forward -- you cannot allow yourself to be boxed into your zone or the corner, again, because of the chip damage.
But moving forward means you have to fight offensively, which means pushing Thanos' Power Gain out of control. Yes, evading the L1 is basic. The L2 isn't difficult, either. I am not a noob. I know how to play the game.
What I found is that the combination of the aggressive AI, the power gain and chip damage means you push Thanos to his L3 too often and too quickly -- I ate a couple of those where I did nothing wrong. He wouldn't use the L2, I couldn't just take the chip damage so I had to intercept, and there you go: L3 time.
I think, if you are going to have Counter Tactics plus Power Gain plus and Unblockable L1, the character should at least have a Special Bias for L1 and L2. That means the player isn't completely penalized for intercepting and playing successful offense, while having the ability to evade successfully on defense plus the ability to bait specials, and not just stand there and absorb them.
That sounds more fair to me. Am I alone in this?
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Who did you use for Thanos, then?
I wound up using OG Vision, which just seemed a little cheap.
Throughly enjoyed this challenge to be honest. It seemed far more skill based than some other content. Namely Ice Phoenix.
If anything the power gain makes it easier. His SP1 + SP2 are super easy to bait and evade and you can dash in for a next combo. Far less risky than intercepting. More SP means less risky intercepts means less accidental deaths means less potion. At the cost of a slightly longer fight.
If you get cornered in all 5 fights, you aren't baiting well.
As already stated I found it helped a lot.. Side note.. Don't be scared to shield hit.. (He doesn't have explosive personality) helps push him back without much power gain..
He was a challenge. Had to use stark spidey and got him down to 23% in one shot
The power gain makes it easier otherwise he would kill you with few block hits. I have never pushed Thanos to the L3 and I fought him 4 times, what are talking about? Just hit him on the block to get close and not being pushed to the corner.
I used Blade for final Thanos for a 1 shot.
Also for fun used Stark, and a 4 star Iceman ... was the easiest of most the fights.
Just push to sp1, bait and punish his sp1, repeat until Thanos is dead.
Apparently there’s nothing cheap about OG vision.
Only did the easy line, need my top champs for a chance at harder lines. Especially Sparky...not fun with my champs.
Actually, you never even have to have a first parry or intercept. Just evade out of the gate, hit his block 4-5 times and he's on Sp1. Then surf the repeating loop of Sp1-Evade-swipe in for combo-Sp1-Evade...
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