Heimdall

I picked up a 5s heimdall and i was happy about it... i knew that his damage output was not that good but then i realize that he really seems to have a plastic sword (not only for the lack of bleed). Permanent true strike is amazing but his base stats are incredibly low and even with 5 furies and 4 armor break damage output is so underwhelming... also block proficiency is extremely low.

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  • r3nTsr3nTs Posts: 23
    edited December 2018
    I’m not saying he should hit like corvus or stark... i’m saying that probably the 80% of the characters hits harder then him, and also that his base stats are below the aversge. I know that is about utility but i really can’t understand why base stats are so randomly setted up, and not only with him but in general. Try to be less cocky, this forum is already full of presumptous
  • Heimdall needs to be duped to have more use than his synergies
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 2,023
    It’s true he has low BP but he also needs to be awakened for full potential. That crit buff helps his damage output a lot and the power gain lets him fire off a special much quicker after his first fight. I have a 4/55 and he crits in the 3k-4k range and he’s taken down plenty of 4/55 Medusas and Ultron on breakthrough/stun immunity minis in war.
  • r3nTsr3nTs Posts: 23
    Critical rating 9% armor rating 7%... please name a character with lower stats in the game. That’s what i was saying before you started worshipping yourself and treating me like a nooB... no stark or corvus damage output, no buff requested i was just wondering why base stats are setted up completely random by kabam for new characters. If you’re born in 87, like i suppose, you should stop being such a baby
  • r3nTs wrote: »
    Critical rating 9% armor rating 7%... please name a character with lower stats in the game. That’s what i was saying before you started worshipping yourself and treating me like a nooB... no stark or corvus damage output, no buff requested i was just wondering why base stats are setted up completely random by kabam for new characters. If you’re born in 87, like i suppose, you should stop being such a baby

    @r3nTs Please name another character with permanent true strike and synergy that revives all your champions when they KO. Damage potential by itself hasn't been an accurate measure of champions' worth for over a year.
  • Drooped1Drooped1 Posts: 473
    Name another character that can make your champs regen or gain fury. Or no die.


    Yea sorry heimdal dpesnt need to hit harder
  • He is there for true stike and synergy not damage
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 2,023
    r3nTs wrote: »
    Critical rating 9% armor rating 7%... please name a character with lower stats in the game. That’s what i was saying before you started worshipping yourself and treating me like a nooB... no stark or corvus damage output, no buff requested i was just wondering why base stats are setted up completely random by kabam for new characters. If you’re born in 87, like i suppose, you should stop being such a baby

    I’m not the one crying because I’m basing a champs value solely on damage or base stats. I told you what potential he has. If you only care about damage, Heimdall is not the champ for you.
  • zeezee57zeezee57 Posts: 851
    Eh I'm gonna agree with the OP to a degree. As someone who was stoked for Heimdall when he came out his true strike isn't enough to trade off the build up required for even average damage output. You're correct that he absolutely has to be awakened for that precision buff and that with the proper buff setup he does decent damage, I just find the buildup an unreasonable trade-off where Heimdall would be most useful, the AW boss table.

    Having to land a heavy within 10 seconds of using your first special or losing that precision until you get hit and fire off another special is far easier said than done against a stun immune AW boss or mini. That's in addition to landing a number of other heavies already to lock in your furies. Conceptually Heimdall is a great champ and with a few minor tweaks he could be a whole lot more, but as is I don't find his TS to be enough to overcome his deficiencies. Obvious based on previous posts not everyone feels that way, but I don't find it unreasonable to be underwhelmed by what he brings, especially unduped.
  • r3nTsr3nTs Posts: 23
    Again, i don’t ask him to hit like a truck... and i’m not talking only about his damage. Maybe i didn’t explain properly (possible considering my s****y english) or maybe you focused discussion where you want to. I just pointed out that base stats are setted up randomly by kabam... let’s do this way so maybe you can understand what i mean. Heimdall: a demigod, 7 “ of a warrior with a golden armor... 7% armor rating. Psylocke: 18%... is it normal in your opinion? Come on..........
  • r3nTsr3nTs Posts: 23
    So you have to choose between build up to have an avarege Damage output and build up to have an avarege armor rating? IMO is pretty useless, amazing synergies but nothing else if you need a true strike champ killmonger is way better then him... i think he will be used in some contents because his synergies that’s all. If kabam intend to balance champs setting up base stats like this... is a mistake. I doubt someone will play him in war, where you need most true strike... we’ll see
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 2,023
    edited December 2018
    r3nTs wrote: »
    Again, i don’t ask him to hit like a truck... and i’m not talking only about his damage. Maybe i didn’t explain properly (possible considering my s****y english) or maybe you focused discussion where you want to. I just pointed out that base stats are setted up randomly by kabam... let’s do this way so maybe you can understand what i mean. Heimdall: a demigod, 7 “ of a warrior with a golden armor... 7% armor rating. Psylocke: 18%... is it normal in your opinion? Come on..........

    I apologize for coming off like an a-hole that wasn’t fair of me. I get defensive over Heimdall because he is hugely underrated and I’m just tired of people saying he’s trash because he doesn’t hit like Sparky. Please forgive me and let’s start over.

    Heimdall, like probably a lot of other champs that rely on buffs, tend to have lower base stats. This is because if they had the normal stats of other champs AND the buffs, they would be easily overpowered. Yes his crit rating is low, but he gets a sizable precision buff with sig. yes his armor is a tad low, but he gets armor buffs. His base attack is low but he gets fury. Just like Sabretooth and KG, they have low base attack values because they are able to build up fury to increase that attack.

    That’s being said, Heimdall is certainly a ramp up champ like a lot of other cosmic champs, Hela, Angela, Proxima, Corvus, etc. However unlike those champs, his focus is not on pure damage, but utility. Permanent true strike which also allows you to parry stun Domino, Yondu, and IMIW is a nice added bit of utility to have. Also, as I mentioned before I think you need yours duped to gain the most out of him. His sig gives him a nice precision buff to help with his lower crit rate and also allows you to convert the buffs at the end of the fight into power during the next fight. This allows you to potentially gain a bar of power within 5 seconds to basically have true strike up instantly. This is a huge boon for things like immunity Spider-Man where it may be hard to build up true strike with Karnak or KM.

    In addition his synergies are hugely useful. Unfortunately it doesn’t affect Heimdall personally, but just having him in your team allows your champs to cheat death once per fight which is incredibly useful. Add either Thor or Loki to regen 15% of missing health per fight, or Angela/Hela to get a permanent 15% passive fury for the remainder of the fight.

    All in all if you can appreciate utility champs that don’t have absurd damage output, I believe Heimdall is a winner. He can be setup to do decent damage and can deal with some problem champs. If you’re looking for more of a hard hitter, you probably won’t enjoy him as much.
  • r3nTs wrote: »
    Again, i don’t ask him to hit like a truck... and i’m not talking only about his damage. Maybe i didn’t explain properly (possible considering my s****y english) or maybe you focused discussion where you want to. I just pointed out that base stats are setted up randomly by kabam... let’s do this way so maybe you can understand what i mean. Heimdall: a demigod, 7 “ of a warrior with a golden armor... 7% armor rating. Psylocke: 18%... is it normal in your opinion? Come on..........

    Ultron has the same thing with armor. Heimdall has low armor because he gains armor up buffs, he has low damage because he gains a lot of Fury buffs. Despite those furies being weak that is how he was designed, and how he will be
  • r3nTsr3nTs Posts: 23
    V1PER1987 wrote: »
    r3nTs wrote: »
    Again, i don’t ask him to hit like a truck... and i’m not talking only about his damage. Maybe i didn’t explain properly (possible considering my s****y english) or maybe you focused discussion where you want to. I just pointed out that base stats are setted up randomly by kabam... let’s do this way so maybe you can understand what i mean. Heimdall: a demigod, 7 “ of a warrior with a golden armor... 7% armor rating. Psylocke: 18%... is it normal in your opinion? Come on..........

    I apologize for coming off like an a-hole that wasn’t fair of me. I get defensive over Heimdall because he is hugely underrated and I’m just tired of people saying he’s trash because he doesn’t hit like Sparky. Please forgive me and let’s start over.

    Heimdall, like probably a lot of other champs that rely on buffs, tend to have lower base stats. This is because if they had the normal stats of other champs AND the buffs, they would be easily overpowered. Yes his crit rating is low, but he gets a sizable precision buff with sig. yes his armor is a tad low, but he gets armor buffs. His base attack is low but he gets fury. Just like Sabretooth and KG, they have low base attack values because they are able to build up fury to increase that attack.

    That’s being said, Heimdall is certainly a ramp up champ like a lot of other cosmic champs, Hela, Angela, Proxima, Corvus, etc. However unlike those champs, his focus is not on pure damage, but utility. Permanent true strike which also allows you to parry stun Domino, Yondu, and IMIW is a nice added bit of utility to have. Also, as I mentioned before I think you need yours duped to gain the most out of him. His sig gives him a nice precision buff to help with his lower crit rate and also allows you to convert the buffs at the end of the fight into power during the next fight. This allows you to potentially gain a bar of power within 5 seconds to basically have true strike up instantly. This is a huge boon for things like immunity Spider-Man where it may be hard to build up true strike with Karnak or KM.

    In addition his synergies are hugely useful. Unfortunately it doesn’t affect Heimdall personally, but just having him in your team allows your champs to cheat death once per fight which is incredibly useful. Add either Thor or Loki to regen 15% of missing health per fight, or Angela/Hela to get a permanent 15% passive fury for the remainder of the fight.

    All in all if you can appreciate utility champs that don’t have absurd damage output, I believe Heimdall is a winner. He can be setup to do decent damage and can deal with some problem champs. If you’re looking for more of a hard hitter, you probably won’t enjoy him as much.

    I have read it only today, and i agree on the cosmic ramp up mechanic but honestly i don’t think that anybody will use him anyway except for his synergies. Think about corvus, one of the best damage dealer, can also obtain a permanent true strike if there is a proxima in your team....who would choose heimdal on corvus? IMO except for his amazing synergies heimdall is like karnak that’s all and i’m really sorry about this because i’m a fan of heimdall like you
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 2,023
    edited January 11
    r3nTs wrote: »
    V1PER1987 wrote: »
    r3nTs wrote: »
    Again, i don’t ask him to hit like a truck... and i’m not talking only about his damage. Maybe i didn’t explain properly (possible considering my s****y english) or maybe you focused discussion where you want to. I just pointed out that base stats are setted up randomly by kabam... let’s do this way so maybe you can understand what i mean. Heimdall: a demigod, 7 “ of a warrior with a golden armor... 7% armor rating. Psylocke: 18%... is it normal in your opinion? Come on..........

    I apologize for coming off like an a-hole that wasn’t fair of me. I get defensive over Heimdall because he is hugely underrated and I’m just tired of people saying he’s trash because he doesn’t hit like Sparky. Please forgive me and let’s start over.

    Heimdall, like probably a lot of other champs that rely on buffs, tend to have lower base stats. This is because if they had the normal stats of other champs AND the buffs, they would be easily overpowered. Yes his crit rating is low, but he gets a sizable precision buff with sig. yes his armor is a tad low, but he gets armor buffs. His base attack is low but he gets fury. Just like Sabretooth and KG, they have low base attack values because they are able to build up fury to increase that attack.

    That’s being said, Heimdall is certainly a ramp up champ like a lot of other cosmic champs, Hela, Angela, Proxima, Corvus, etc. However unlike those champs, his focus is not on pure damage, but utility. Permanent true strike which also allows you to parry stun Domino, Yondu, and IMIW is a nice added bit of utility to have. Also, as I mentioned before I think you need yours duped to gain the most out of him. His sig gives him a nice precision buff to help with his lower crit rate and also allows you to convert the buffs at the end of the fight into power during the next fight. This allows you to potentially gain a bar of power within 5 seconds to basically have true strike up instantly. This is a huge boon for things like immunity Spider-Man where it may be hard to build up true strike with Karnak or KM.

    In addition his synergies are hugely useful. Unfortunately it doesn’t affect Heimdall personally, but just having him in your team allows your champs to cheat death once per fight which is incredibly useful. Add either Thor or Loki to regen 15% of missing health per fight, or Angela/Hela to get a permanent 15% passive fury for the remainder of the fight.

    All in all if you can appreciate utility champs that don’t have absurd damage output, I believe Heimdall is a winner. He can be setup to do decent damage and can deal with some problem champs. If you’re looking for more of a hard hitter, you probably won’t enjoy him as much.

    I have read it only today, and i agree on the cosmic ramp up mechanic but honestly i don’t think that anybody will use him anyway except for his synergies. Think about corvus, one of the best damage dealer, can also obtain a permanent true strike if there is a proxima in your team....who would choose heimdal on corvus? IMO except for his amazing synergies heimdall is like karnak that’s all and i’m really sorry about this because i’m a fan of heimdall like you

    You’re also making two assumptions. One, that people have a choice. Not everyone gets the same champs. Some may pull Heimdall before Corvus. Some may never pull Corvus at all.

    Two, that there will always be an auto block champ that makes it easy enough to trigger auto block/evade. Granted if you need it you’ll trigger it, but in war it can be tricky and dangerous.

    For me personally I actually do like Heimdall over Corvus. I have a 4/55 Heimdall and a 3/45 Corvus. I find Heimdall much more fun and useable. He has better utility and it doesn’t force you to lose a champ slot for synergy. In the end it comes down to preference. Heimdall can also parry stun projectile basic attack using champs like Yondu, Domino, and IMIW which is another plus, too. I’m sure I’m the outlier and most people would call me crazy but it makes no difference to me. To each their own.
  • My_SuperiorMy_Superior Posts: 1,196
    I agree that his sword is probably made of plastic; it’d explain why Magneto can’t magnetize him.
  • His dupe helps quite a bit bit with damage. He's definitely one of those champs that needs his sig ability. Once duped his damage is acceptable. Probably my biggest concern is his horrible armor not crit rate.
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