Multiple-version champions - inflation growing strong in MCOC
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So I just saw that new Cpt. Marvel is basically confirmed as new character to be add in next month. And I can't help but notice there is something wrong about that.
So we already have 3 versions of Cpt.Marvel original character. Even if I drop Kamala, there is still 2 versions which are the exact same character with almost exact same abilities, only dressed differently. All 3 versions are now in MCOC for a long time, meaning probably majority of people have them, at least one of them. And let's be honest, they are all VERY mediocre champions, Kamala is actually considered one of the most disappointing (not saying worst) champions of all time.
And yet, we are getting 4th version. Why, I ask? Why do we need 3th version of THE SAME EXACT CHARACTER dressed differently (dropping Kamala again) ? This seems to me like such a betrayal on both Cpt. Marvel and Ms. Marvel. Kabam, you are creating new, very probably much better version (or at least modern, up-to-date and adapted on current state of game ->none of those things we can say about old versions) of the same Marvel character, this time - wait for it - with loose hair! We really are craving for all those new hairstyles! Sorry about the sarcams but do you even get the point? Are you aware that only message you sent out is "We don't care about all the old Cpt.Marvels, no buff is coming, we created new one instead" ?
Now seriously, this is becoming very tedious and boring issue in the contest. Kabam is replicating the same champions, new versions are always far better (which would be understandable) with old ones left to rot in inventory forever with no chance to be buffed in the future.
And this is not the first time it's gonna happen, remember Spider-man anyone? We had Spidey classic. We had Spidey symbiote. We had Miles Morales. For years, those champs are actually unusable for any progress-content except AW defense (maybe except very short period of time when Symbiote was considered good. Very short.) So what did Kabam do? They gave us Starky. And don't get me wrong, I do love him, he is arguably on of the best champs in the game. But we can't ignore the fact that him being created practically doomed all of those 3 other Spider-mans to eternal trash. Cpt. Amreica IW sent both other Captains to vacation-again no chance for them to get better. Iron man IW - same case, classic IM, superior IM, Iron Patriot, they are identical. None of them will be buffed probably cause we have IMIW. Now I'm afraid the same is gonna happen with Cpt. Marvel.
As I mentioned, what I don't like the most about all this is the message Kabam is sending out - we are not gonna buff your stored champions, we may create some superior version in the future, but those you already have will always be as they are - useless. Wasted pulls.
With each champion added to crystal pool, chance to get some specific champion you want (just because you simply love the Marvel character which is probably the reason we are all playing this game, isn't it?) is getting smaller. Fact, that we have 4 versionsof for example Spider-man and only 1 on them is actually good and desired meaning you have already very small chance to pull Spider-man character and even if you do pulll him, only 25% chance that you will be able to actually use him in the game.
Now we have Daredevil twins. Magneto twins. Cyclops twins. Cpt. Colossus twins. Cpt. America - 3 versions. Iron man - 4 versions. Spidey - 4 versions. Captain Marvel...?
The most of all above champions (except CAIW,IMIW and Starky - who again have very clearly demonstrated best versions of themselves, which is always also the newest version of themselves, leaving others bite a dust) are basically different outfit copies of the exact same character. And we can see very clear on examples of Cpt. America, Iron man and Spider-man what happens to the old versions, when superior comes out. Nothing. What I just mentioned includes more than 20 characters. There is like 140 characters in MCOC now(rounded)? That's not a small %, not a small amount, that's quite a lot of spots in your possible pulls taken by mostly very mediocre, unoriginal champs. Not the way to go, Kabam. Something to think about.
So we already have 3 versions of Cpt.Marvel original character. Even if I drop Kamala, there is still 2 versions which are the exact same character with almost exact same abilities, only dressed differently. All 3 versions are now in MCOC for a long time, meaning probably majority of people have them, at least one of them. And let's be honest, they are all VERY mediocre champions, Kamala is actually considered one of the most disappointing (not saying worst) champions of all time.
And yet, we are getting 4th version. Why, I ask? Why do we need 3th version of THE SAME EXACT CHARACTER dressed differently (dropping Kamala again) ? This seems to me like such a betrayal on both Cpt. Marvel and Ms. Marvel. Kabam, you are creating new, very probably much better version (or at least modern, up-to-date and adapted on current state of game ->none of those things we can say about old versions) of the same Marvel character, this time - wait for it - with loose hair! We really are craving for all those new hairstyles! Sorry about the sarcams but do you even get the point? Are you aware that only message you sent out is "We don't care about all the old Cpt.Marvels, no buff is coming, we created new one instead" ?
Now seriously, this is becoming very tedious and boring issue in the contest. Kabam is replicating the same champions, new versions are always far better (which would be understandable) with old ones left to rot in inventory forever with no chance to be buffed in the future.
And this is not the first time it's gonna happen, remember Spider-man anyone? We had Spidey classic. We had Spidey symbiote. We had Miles Morales. For years, those champs are actually unusable for any progress-content except AW defense (maybe except very short period of time when Symbiote was considered good. Very short.) So what did Kabam do? They gave us Starky. And don't get me wrong, I do love him, he is arguably on of the best champs in the game. But we can't ignore the fact that him being created practically doomed all of those 3 other Spider-mans to eternal trash. Cpt. Amreica IW sent both other Captains to vacation-again no chance for them to get better. Iron man IW - same case, classic IM, superior IM, Iron Patriot, they are identical. None of them will be buffed probably cause we have IMIW. Now I'm afraid the same is gonna happen with Cpt. Marvel.
As I mentioned, what I don't like the most about all this is the message Kabam is sending out - we are not gonna buff your stored champions, we may create some superior version in the future, but those you already have will always be as they are - useless. Wasted pulls.
With each champion added to crystal pool, chance to get some specific champion you want (just because you simply love the Marvel character which is probably the reason we are all playing this game, isn't it?) is getting smaller. Fact, that we have 4 versionsof for example Spider-man and only 1 on them is actually good and desired meaning you have already very small chance to pull Spider-man character and even if you do pulll him, only 25% chance that you will be able to actually use him in the game.
Now we have Daredevil twins. Magneto twins. Cyclops twins. Cpt. Colossus twins. Cpt. America - 3 versions. Iron man - 4 versions. Spidey - 4 versions. Captain Marvel...?
The most of all above champions (except CAIW,IMIW and Starky - who again have very clearly demonstrated best versions of themselves, which is always also the newest version of themselves, leaving others bite a dust) are basically different outfit copies of the exact same character. And we can see very clear on examples of Cpt. America, Iron man and Spider-man what happens to the old versions, when superior comes out. Nothing. What I just mentioned includes more than 20 characters. There is like 140 characters in MCOC now(rounded)? That's not a small %, not a small amount, that's quite a lot of spots in your possible pulls taken by mostly very mediocre, unoriginal champs. Not the way to go, Kabam. Something to think about.
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Not that I disagree with you, but truth to be told, if any champion qualifies to the very needy category of champions that needs to be buffed, CM is definitely that kind of champ. I mean, look at her, this is really lazy kabam writing at its purest.
But then again, synergies are the least they could do and I would take it...still it's absolute garbage they are creating just another CM champion. Cash grab and mockery to all players.
I whole-heartedly disagree. I'd say synergies are one of the easiest ways that Kabam can revive old characters, but certainly not the best.
For example, I'd consider Luke Cage a pretty old champ. People used to HATE to pull him and he never saw any real use in the game. Then they went in and completely overhauled him. Now people are signing his praises and I see him as a suggested counter for a lot of content in the game these days.
Now look at Colossus; another old champ. He got two very solid unique synergies when Emma Frost and Omega Red were added to the game. Even so, I've yet to see anyone bring that team to any war I've ever been in. I never see him suggested as a viable counter to any new/challenging content.
Complete overhauls are the best way to revive old champs, but these take time to design and roll out. If you asked what the easiest way is, I'd say it would be regular balance adjustments. Make small, documented adjustments to under-used champions with each update. Increase the speed with which Kamala Khan gains furies when charging heavies. Bump up Groot's attack rating. Things like that. Document these adjustments and make them little by little until older champs are enticing to players again.
I'm NOT okay with Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel being a carbon copy of each other. A reskin.
That's lazy and pathetic.
Cyclops too. Magneto... what was the minimal change made to these two? A synergy change and a slight variation on how his passive ability works? C'mon...
New Version of Captain Marvel for the movie? Cool...
But change the others.
Ms. Marvel - make her absorb non-magical energy attacks whether she's blocking or not.
Update her furt and critical rating. Otherwise leave as is.
Captain Marvel - Complete revamp of the character. THIS should be your movie version and perhaps do exactly what her movie-trailer 'Super Saiyan' moment is hinting at: a glimpse of her Binary power.
Kabam’s New Cap Marvel: Unblockable Unstoppable and Stun Immune
(And bug fix to nerf her towards the end of Event Quest)
that's very ridiculous logic but okay... anyway my point kinda was that having 3 Captain America is also pretty dumb, so making equal number of Cpt. Marvel doesn't make it better actually...
New champ = spend Money and buy crystals with high chance of 0.2% of getting a new champ. Then the likes of seatins will make another video opening with sponsored money a ton of crystals, get that new character, and entice 14yr olds to gamble. Nice work Kabam
CPT.MARVEL (Endgame) = classic kabam
This is quite obvious, yet it doesn't make much sense to mention it for this particular topic as I'm not against adding new champ in the game (which would still followed the rules you mentioned above), but I'm questioning whether ANOTHER version of Cpt. Marvel (or other already existing champions) even counts as a "new" champ, when there are tons of possible characters in Marvel that can be addded instead.
That's actually good point, they did a good job on most of new characters, yet when they presented Variant quest, probably the most difficult content there is so far, the significant part of rewards are rank up gems that of course force you to rank up only 2015 champions
It tells me that just because you only care about having one very powerful version of the champion, Kabam recognizes that many other players would prefer you not take away the champions they've already collected. Many people enjoy collecting different versions of different champions, and in fact I'd say the odds that a large percentage of people gravitated to a game all about collecting different champions are pretty good.
You don't take things away from players if you don't have to. If you want to make a new version of Captain Marvel inspired by the movie, you make a new champion, you don't change the old ones and essentially erase them from existence and overwrite them with a completely different champion with completely different mechanics.
Thanks, I'm glad I'm not alone in this
But when you look at the difference between Spiderman vs Stark Spiderman, Cap America vs Cap America IW, IronMan vs IronMan IW, then sure it works.
We need to see the difference between the current and the planned before we can say it's a good thing or a bad thing
I'm not sure you got my point, I surely can see the difference between CAIW and other Captains, between Starky and other Spideys and I'm quite sure there will be huge difference between Cap.Marvel movie and other versions as well. That's where I see the part of the problem - as I mentioned several times, those VERY different (where different means far better and overall superior) versions make the old ones obsolete. Useless for everyone who has them. There is no debate on which Spider-man version is the best - everyone knows and nobody wants any other than Starky. That's the problem.
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This is a game that is fundamentally about collecting champions, and it puzzles you why the developers would make a new version of Captain Marvel when they are given a golden opportunity to do so with cross-marketing mandates?
Unsurprisingly this game is catered towards spenders. Whether it's boost usage, really deep rosters, or great diverse champion rank ups money speeds it up 5+ times.
Buffing old duplicate champs likely won't come about when there are people willing to pay big bucks for new champs. Until the older or more recent whales lose interest in flexing their roster and getting the latest champ in hopes to claim master level rewards will things become "cheaper" for the more free to play leaning playerbase.
Also, in my opinion, as long as the black market farmers aren't addressed, and certain whales continue to benefit from it, the wider playerbase will continue to feel further left behind
Not just black market farmers, but also those with 3rd party bot app which allows player to kill every champs in one hit or making opponents standstill.