Symbiote Supreme vs Iceman's Passive Ice Armor. ( Attention ! )

PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
edited March 2019 in Bugs and Known Issues
Symbiote Supreme - Genetic Blessing
Chthon’s Cunning - 100% chance when this Blessing is triggered to immediately Nullify all Buffs of the Opponent.

Iceman's Passive Ice Armor nullified by Symbiote Supreme's Chthon's Cunning automatically how it is possible ?
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  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    Ice armor isn't passive
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Voltolos said:

    Ice armor isn't passive

    Ice armor is passive check champion spotlight - Iceman
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    I use Iceman a lot. Its not passive
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Voltolos said:

    I use Iceman a lot. Its not passive

    Check it here - https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-iceman/
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    That just means that his Ice Armor activates passively. No input required. On its own.
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  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Voltolos said:

    That just means that his Ice Armor activates passively. No input required. On its own.

    It seems you have no knowledge what is passive and what is buff.
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    TheSpicyKnight said:

    Its a buff. You can tell by the border around the icon.

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-iceman/
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    Just duel an ice-man and pause the fight while ice Armor is active. It clearly states it's a buff. And that Passive means that the ability is passive, just as Passive-Danger sense for Blade.
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    edited March 2019
    Arham1 said:

    Just duel an ice-man and pause the fight while ice Armor is active. It clearly states it's a buff. And that Passive means that the ability is passive, just as Passive-Danger sense for Blade.

    I know but first it was mention as a passive and not as a buff you can check it here or in Ice man's profile https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-iceman/
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    Does Passive-Organic ice mean it's a passive buff? No it's a passive ability just like Ice Armor. When "Passive-xxx ability" is used, it means that the ability isn't affected by AAR unless mentioned in AAR star of opponent champion that it ignored immunities, for eg:Blade, Domino.
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  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Arham1 said:

    Does Passive-Organic ice mean it's a passive buff? No it's a passive ability just like Ice Armor. When "Passive-xxx ability" is used, it means that the ability isn't affected by AAR unless mentioned in AAR star of opponent champion that it ignored immunities, for eg:Blade, Domino.

    first - Organic ice is not a buff, second if you are comparing blade's danger sense with ice armor then can you nullify the danger sense ?

  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    Does the paused screen shoe that danger sense is a buff?
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    TheSpicyKnight said:

    Going by your logic:

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-angela/

    All of Angela's buffs should be passive too. @Voltolos is right when he says that the Passive part of the Ice Armor is because of the activation just like how Angela obtains her buffs.

    Read the first line
    Angela gains a Buff based on her current Power level.
    Passive is her only ability not what she gain's means reduction in ability accuracy will not work on her.
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  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    edited March 2019
    Arham1 said:

    Does the paused screen shoe that danger sense is a buff?

    hey man it is not your mistake I just want that kabam should update the iceman's spotlight and mention it as a buff clearly like in a pause screen.
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★

    His furies can be nullified.

    His Armor ups can be nullified.
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    Mate it's a passive ability. A passive ability is immune to AAR but unaffective of the passive ability, it's a buff or a Passive effect depends upon the basis of mostly champ classes.
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Arham1 said:


    His furies can be nullified.

    His Armor ups can be nullified.

    here passive is his ability not those fury or armor buffs they are mention clearly as buffs.
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    Punishment said:

    Arham1 said:


    His furies can be nullified.

    His Armor ups can be nullified.

    here passive is his ability not those fury or armor buffs they are mention clearly as buffs.
    My God. If you compare, in both Colossus' or Ice-man's ability state that whether it's a passive effect or buff. Colossus' Armor ups should be passive, right? WRONG.
  • Mirage_TurtleMirage_Turtle Member Posts: 1,868 ★★★★
    Punishment said:

    TheSpicyKnight said:

    Going by your logic:

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-angela/

    All of Angela's buffs should be passive too. @Voltolos is right when he says that the Passive part of the Ice Armor is because of the activation just like how Angela obtains her buffs.

    Read the first line
    Angela gains a Buff based on her current Power level.
    Passive is her only ability not what she gain's means reduction in ability accuracy will not work on her.
    You may have a case for claiming Iceman's description needs an update. When he was released, active/passive abilities weren't well-defined.

    But as it stands now, Ice Armor behaves like a buff and not a passive armor. It can be stolen (Loki, Yondu, or Rogue) or nullified (any nullification champ) like other common buffs and it triggers spite. Spite grants power gain when buffs are present but not when passive abilities are present.

    I'm guessing if Kabam catches wind of this, they may tweak the description, but it seems Ice Armor is intended to be a buff and it's behaving as such.
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Arham1 said:

    Mate it's a passive ability. A passive ability is immune to AAR but unaffective of the passive ability, it's a buff or a Passive effect depends upon the basis of mostly champ classes.

    dear I am agree with you I am just saying that kabam should menation it like king groot or angela where it is mentioned clearly that his/her ability is passive to gain those buffs.
  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    Mirage_Turtle said:

    Punishment said:

    TheSpicyKnight said:

    Going by your logic:

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-angela/

    All of Angela's buffs should be passive too. @Voltolos is right when he says that the Passive part of the Ice Armor is because of the activation just like how Angela obtains her buffs.

    Read the first line
    Angela gains a Buff based on her current Power level.
    Passive is her only ability not what she gain's means reduction in ability accuracy will not work on her.
    You may have a case for claiming Iceman's description needs an update. When he was released, active/passive abilities weren't well-defined.

    But as it stands now, Ice Armor behaves like a buff and not a passive armor. It can be stolen (Loki, Yondu, or Rogue) or nullified (any nullification chmp) like other common buffs and it triggers spite. Spite grants power gain when buffs are present but not when passive abilities are present.

    I'm guessing if Kabam catches wind of this, they may tweak the description, but it seems Ice Armor is intended to be a buff and it's behaving as such.
    Absolutely you got it.
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    Mate. I don't think the ability is mentioned incorrectly. But a Better description for every old champion might be good.
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  • PunishmentPunishment Member Posts: 111 ★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    White ring around effect symbol = buff/debuff
    No white ring around effect symbol = passive effect/ability

    I don't get how this is hard to grasp.

    problem is in the kabam's description.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    edited March 2019
    Passive is describing how the effect is gained/triggered, not how the effect is classified.

    If he refuses to understand, for the sake of argument, you won’t change his mind guys.
  • Arham1Arham1 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    CoatHang3r said:

    Passive is describing how the effect is gained/triggered, not how the effect is classified

    Perfect and concise description.
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