Kabam, please hear me out

Longtimegamer

I am having real self control problems with the cavalier crystals where I am spending way above my means. Is it possible for us to "ban ourselves" (for a set time of our choosing) from being able to purchase them? The same way players can do this in online poker games? The cav crystal is really really hurting me.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Spend all units, so you can never buy another crystal, or just don't play the game at all.
That option will not happen in a game like this. Is really unnecessary

Longtimegamer

will-o-wisp said:

Spend all units, so you can never buy another crystal, or just don't play the game at all.
That option will not happen in a game like this. Is really unnecessary

It's easier said than done for me. I need to ban myself or have the cav crystal disabled somehow.

Kabam is this possible? I'm really hurting my finances right now. It's really bad.

GroundedWisdom

You can request your Payment Method be disabled. Can't recall if you do it on the platform side, or your Financial Institution.

GroundedWisdom

Bank would be the way to go. You can Block all future charges for a specific transaction.

GroundedWisdom

That can be done over the phone with mine.

GroundedWisdom

I mean, obviously it goes without saying, they can't teach self-control. I'm just offering suggestions. Sometimes all people need is a mental block from the red tape. The more effort it takes, the less likely they are to do it. Unless we're talking full-blown Addiction, in which case there is very little that can be done until the person is willing to get help.

DiablosUltimate

GroundedWisdom

Drooped2 said:

Mmmm shock therapy system if you try and buy your phone will zap you.


You probably meant a different type of help tho didnt you

Yes. Lol. I meant like Gamblers Anonymous.
Bit of a side line, but I think it's a valuable discussion, so give me a second to type.

Scarlett_

GroundedWisdom said:

Drooped2 said:

Mmmm shock therapy system if you try and buy your phone will zap you.


You probably meant a different type of help tho didnt you

Yes. Lol. I meant like Gamblers Anonymous.
Bit of a side line, but I think it's a valuable discussion, so give me a second to type.

Bro I was just thinking the same thing

V1PER1987

Sounds like you don’t really want to have free will or something. Sounds like you want someone to provide the goods and services you need and you don’t really own anything. Does a place like that exist?

Scarlett_

DiablosUltimate said:

That’s just cruel

GroundedWisdom

I've been clean for 8 years, as of December, so I know a bit about Addiction. One of the characteristics of the disease is the inability to stop regardless of consequences. Most people have a misconception that it's a lack of priorities or bad choices, but Addiction affects the part of the brain responsible for making choices.
It's the Mid Brain/Frontal Lobe Cortex relationship that is affected. For example, if you eat something, that gives a Dopamine release. For an Addict, the Dopamine release for their DoC is 2-300 times greater. The brain replaces that in the natural order of priorities, above things like food, sleep, comfort, all the basic needs. So it quite literally renders someone incapable of choosing otherwise in active Addiction.
Which is why, if it is in fact Addiction, consequences don't have an effect. They have a disorder that replaces needs with the Dopamine they get from the rush.
The only thing I've seen work in my own experience is some type of 12-Step Program.

ẞlооd

Dang, get help son.

Lizer0119

This is actually really sad. I think you should delete the game, tbh... and maybe reach out for help.

Psychoakuma

Wow sorry to hear that. Good luck with the spending. maybe delete the game for a few weeks.

Captain_Kandice

Sounds like you need a support system in place OP. Whether it’s a relative, counselor, support group. If you’re struggling on your own, get help. Gambling addiction is real, and this sounds like this is falling into that category.

However Kabam is a corporation looking to make a profit. They aren’t going to want to give us easy means to stop spending. So you’re likely going to need to find a way outside of the game for help.

John757

Take your credit card info off your phone. Has worked for some people I know that have spent a ton on the game

ImranAzhar

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

ẞlооd

ImranAzhar said:

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

They would never. Just look at all the unwanted pop-up offers most of the community is annoyed of. But they still won't get rid of them.. This guy needs some outside help for sure.

GroundedWisdom

ImranAzhar said:

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

Kabam is not really responsible for someone having a Gambling Addiction. It's not even Gambling, it has elements of chance. Unfortunately, that's just a part of our makeup. Some people have internal conditions that make it dangerous to engage in certain activities.

GroundedWisdom

The same way that some people can drink responsibly, while others are Alcoholics.

V1PER1987

GroundedWisdom said:

ImranAzhar said:

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

Kabam is not really responsible for someone having a Gambling Addiction. It's not even Gambling, it has elements of chance. Unfortunately, that's just a part of our makeup. Some people have internal conditions that make it dangerous to engage in certain activities.

How is it not gambling?

GroundedWisdom

V1PER1987 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

ImranAzhar said:

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

Kabam is not really responsible for someone having a Gambling Addiction. It's not even Gambling, it has elements of chance. Unfortunately, that's just a part of our makeup. Some people have internal conditions that make it dangerous to engage in certain activities.

How is it not gambling?

Playing a game of chance, yes, Gambling involves the potential for monetary payout. We're just playing a game of chance. There's really nothing we walk away from it with.

V1PER1987

GroundedWisdom said:

V1PER1987 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

ImranAzhar said:

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

Kabam is not really responsible for someone having a Gambling Addiction. It's not even Gambling, it has elements of chance. Unfortunately, that's just a part of our makeup. Some people have internal conditions that make it dangerous to engage in certain activities.

How is it not gambling?

Playing a game of chance, yes, Gambling involves the potential for monetary payout. We're just playing a game of chance. There's really nothing we walk away from it with.

Money is not a necessity though. Just playing a game of chance in order to win something is gambling. The crystals in this game are a form of gambling.

GroundedWisdom

No, actually. It's not. By the very definition, this game is not Gambling. There is nothing of value you receive from it. We don't own anything. It's playing a game of chance, and not all games of chance are classified as Gambling. We don't own any sort of payout, and we don't receive any money to be defined as Gambling. Had this debate many times.

Dshu

GroundedWisdom said:

No, actually. It's not. By the very definition, this game is not Gambling. There is nothing of value you receive from it. We don't own anything. It's playing a game of chance, and not all games of chance are classified as Gambling. We don't own any sort of payout, and we don't receive any money to be defined as Gambling. Had this debate many times.

Argue with the dictionary. This game is a form of gambling. You don't have to win money for it to be qualified as gambling. There are plenty of free to play casino games where you win no actual money or anything of value. Are you going to try to argue that those are not gambling too.

Cliffordcan

Yikes, that sucks dude(tte). If your account is attached to a credit card, I’d just shut down the account. Keep the card linked. So the next time you want to make a purchase you will have to dig out another CC, link the account, then make a purchase. That might buy you some time. Also, freeze all your credit cards in blocks of ice. Gives you time to think as you chisel them out.

If your account is attached to your debit card, remove it ASAP.

GroundedWisdom

Dshu said:

GroundedWisdom said:

No, actually. It's not. By the very definition, this game is not Gambling. There is nothing of value you receive from it. We don't own anything. It's playing a game of chance, and not all games of chance are classified as Gambling. We don't own any sort of payout, and we don't receive any money to be defined as Gambling. Had this debate many times.

Argue with the dictionary. This game is a form of gambling

"for money or other stakes"......
Your money is gone the moment you spend it on the game. There are no stakes. You're not Gambling with the hope of any return. You're playing a game of chance. You roll a Crystal for guaranteed outcomes and hope for larger outcomes. You're not wagering anything you have or value. The game doesn't even belong to us, including our Accounts and the contents therein. I'm sorry, but playing a game of chance is not automatically Gambling. Rolling dice does not mean you're Gambling.

GroundedWisdom

Already been down this road.

DNA3000

V1PER1987 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

V1PER1987 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

ImranAzhar said:

I think KABAM should sponsor a therapy session for their addicted gamers. Like some sort of a CSR program that help addicted MCOC players that's having a problem with controlling their behaviour to click the pay button every time they see a crystal offering. MCOC is one part like gambling so it almost probably similar like gambling addiction.

Kabam is not really responsible for someone having a Gambling Addiction. It's not even Gambling, it has elements of chance. Unfortunately, that's just a part of our makeup. Some people have internal conditions that make it dangerous to engage in certain activities.

How is it not gambling?

Playing a game of chance, yes, Gambling involves the potential for monetary payout. We're just playing a game of chance. There's really nothing we walk away from it with.

Money is not a necessity though. Just playing a game of chance in order to win something is gambling. The crystals in this game are a form of gambling.

Sure, in the colloquial sense playing a game of chance to win "something" is gambling. In fact, it doesn't have to be a game, and you don't have to win a "something" either. People gamble on the weather by choosing to take an umbrella or not. Lots of things are called gambling colloquially.

But in the "this is an activity that requires oversight and regulation" context, the definition of gambling is the legal one, and the legal definition of gambling requires that the "something" to be won have material value. It is legally impossible to win anything of value in MCOC, because it is impossible to take ownership of anything in MCOC, so you can't win a prize that satisfies a requirement for an activity to be considered gambling.

Maybe there should be a term or designation for "gambling" that exists between opening cracker jack boxes and the craps table. But at the moment, there is no such generally accepted term for things that "taste" like gambling but are not regulated gaming.