Unstealable buffs

The only answer you're gonna get is "Balance"

Hamin

42, I suppose.

Fred_Joeity

Can you give any examples? I mean, I know that Carnage's power gain, and any mechanic that deals with a specific champion won't work when stolen, but I don't know any buffs that can't be stolen (except passive ones, but they're technically not buffs).

Markjv81

Can only steal buffs not passive effects.

Can only steal buffs not passive effects.

I'm pretty sure he knows that's some BUFFS aren't stealable

Can only steal buffs not passive effects.

You mean like the cosmic control rod BUFF that you CAN steal but the true damage BUFF that you can't steal from Corvus. Or the the way we can steal the Thanos favor buff from Cull but not the Rout BUFF that we can't. Yeah I know the diff

Can you give any examples? I mean, I know that Carnage's power gain, and any mechanic that deals with a specific champion won't work when stolen, but I don't know any buffs that can't be stolen (except passive ones, but they're technically not buffs).

We can steal the cosmic control rod, thats pretty champ specific. You can steal Luke Cage Indestructible buff too. They even show that you steal Ice Armor from Iceman, but it doesn't tank the SP3. They should update the text or whatever I guess

Just watched a vid on this and wanted to know have we ever gotten any reasoning behind some buffs being stealable and some not. Loki and Rogue are two of my higher champs and i don't understand or know why some buffs aren't stealable

Why do some buffs expire while others don't? Why are some buffs stronger while others weaker? These are design decisions, and whether a buff is stealable or not or nullifiable or not is just another one of those decisions.

Can you give any examples? I mean, I know that Carnage's power gain, and any mechanic that deals with a specific champion won't work when stolen, but I don't know any buffs that can't be stolen (except passive ones, but they're technically not buffs).

The OP mentions Rogue, and I know that Rogue cannot steal buffs from the tech class and cannot steal Unstoppable (even when it is a buff and not a passive effect). The tech limitation is probably just a class disadvantage thing built into the champion, while the limit on stealing unstoppable may have originally been due to some wonky issues with the unstoppable effect, and never revisited. I think Loki *can* steal unstoppable buffs.

Just watched a vid on this and wanted to know have we ever gotten any reasoning behind some buffs being stealable and some not. Loki and Rogue are two of my higher champs and i don't understand or know why some buffs aren't stealable
Why do some buffs expire while others don't? Why are some buffs stronger while others weaker? These are design decisions, and whether a buff is stealable or not or nullifiable or not is just another one of those decisions.

Thats cool. I'm not against them designing things how they want. Its just one of their more important mechanics and if it won't work on certain buffs because they decided so it could at least be in the text. I don't think people would be cool with grinding and shelling out money to get Sinister only to find out he only transfers the debuffs they want him to if they say he transfers them all

Just watched a vid on this and wanted to know have we ever gotten any reasoning behind some buffs being stealable and some not. Loki and Rogue are two of my higher champs and i don't understand or know why some buffs aren't stealable
Why do some buffs expire while others don't? Why are some buffs stronger while others weaker? These are design decisions, and whether a buff is stealable or not or nullifiable or not is just another one of those decisions.
Thats cool. I'm not against them designing things how they want. Its just one of their more important mechanics and if it won't work on certain buffs because they decided so it could at least be in the text.

The developers have been trying to this in general for passive effects, by using consistent language. When something is a passive effect and thus cannot be normally stolen or nullified, it isn't described as a "Buff" it is described as a "passive effect." A passive effect isn't a "Buff" even though it might do what game players might refer to as "buffing the champ." This is a language change they started moving towards a while ago, but unfortunately I have to admit this continues to be unclear to the players.

In the specific case of Rogue, her inability to steal buffs from tech champs or steal unstoppable buffs is actually in her description, under the description for her special one attack.

sest22

I honestly do not understand the remote or messy method of kabam. classic ironman and infinity war. both with passive armor. but you can steal one and not another. and so many cases. you steal the regeneration of angela but not that of old man logan. I really do not understand.

BigPoppaCBONE

Can you give any examples? I mean, I know that Carnage's power gain, and any mechanic that deals with a specific champion won't work when stolen, but I don't know any buffs that can't be stolen (except passive ones, but they're technically not buffs).
The OP mentions Rogue, and I know that Rogue cannot steal buffs from the tech class and cannot steal Unstoppable (even when it is a buff and not a passive effect). The tech limitation is probably just a class disadvantage thing built into the champion, while the limit on stealing unstoppable may have originally been due to some wonky issues with the unstoppable effect, and never revisited. I think Loki *can* steal unstoppable buffs.

She can't steal unstoppable because it refreshed on contact and she could maintain an unstoppable buff with uninterruptable heavies and power steal with L2 so the opponent couldn't do anything to stop it.

John757

42, I suppose.

This is the only logical answer

https://youtu.be/RBZlDQ7HKWw

There are two aspects to this. One is that some Buffs are Passive and some are Active. The other is balancing. Some Buffs aren't intended to be stolen because it would in fact make those two OP.

Cue the "No it wouldn't." argument. XD

I honestly do not understand the remote or messy method of kabam. classic ironman and infinity war. both with passive armor. but you can steal one and not another. and so many cases. you steal the regeneration of angela but not that of old man logan. I really do not understand.

Classic Iron Man doesn't have passive armor. Classic Iron Man procs armor buffs. IMIW gains passive armor effects. Angela procs healing buffs. OML does not have healing buffs to steal.

Kabam does do certain things inconsistently, but honestly in these two cases they aren't inconsistent. Rather, to be blunt, players ignore or refuse to accept how the mechanics are described and choose to use their own made up terminology and descriptions for things, and then complain when the game doesn't obey their rules rather than the game's rules.

The buff/passive thing is one of those areas. Passive effects are not described as or considered buffs by the developers at this time, and the text descriptions mostly reflect that assertion. However, some players insist that passive effects should be called buffs because they "buff." I was in fact one of those players, but I can separate what something is called from how it functions in the game. I now know that many players can't, and this insistence on calling passive effects "buffs" just allows them to then claim Kabam doesn't treat "buffs" consistently, which is just silly. If Kabam says certain things affect "buffs" and then goes out of their way to state which things count as buffs, that's perfectly clear. Claiming they are "wrong" about what is and is not a buff, *then* claiming they don't treat buffs consistently is ridiculous.

I honestly do not understand the remote or messy method of kabam. classic ironman and infinity war. both with passive armor. but you can steal one and not another. and so many cases. you steal the regeneration of angela but not that of old man logan. I really do not understand.
Classic Iron Man doesn't have passive armor. Classic Iron Man procs armor buffs. IMIW gains passive armor effects. Angela procs healing buffs. OML does not have healing buffs to steal.

Kabam does do certain things inconsistently, but honestly in these two cases they aren't inconsistent. Rather, to be blunt, players ignore or refuse to accept how the mechanics are described and choose to use their own made up terminology and descriptions for things, and then complain when the game doesn't obey their rules rather than the game's rules.

The buff/passive thing is one of those areas. Passive effects are not described as or considered buffs by the developers at this time, and the text descriptions mostly reflect that assertion. However, some players insist that passive effects should be called buffs because they "buff." I was in fact one of those players, but I can separate what something is called from how it functions in the game. I now know that many players can't, and this insistence on calling passive effects "buffs" just allows them to then claim Kabam doesn't treat "buffs" consistently, which is just silly. If Kabam says certain things affect "buffs" and then goes out of their way to state which things count as buffs, that's perfectly clear. Claiming they are "wrong" about what is and is not a buff, *then* claiming they don't treat buffs consistently is ridiculous.

All you really needed was the first paragraph tbh

Not if he wanted to express an opinion.

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Not if he wanted to express an opinion.

Usually when DNA does express his\her feelings it leads to an unnecessary argument

i can't speak for everyone but most of us know the difference between buff or passive effect. The icons don't even look the same in game most of the time. Like I was saying its cool but if they don't want it to be stealable or if they meant it as a passive, they can just label it that

Not if he wanted to express an opinion.
Usually when DNA does express his\her feelings it leads to an unnecessary argument

Having only butted heads with him once or twice in my whole time on the Forum, I'm inclined to disagree.

Not if he wanted to express an opinion.
Usually when DNA does express his\her feelings it leads to an unnecessary argument
Having only butted heads with him once or twice in my whole time on the Forum, I'm inclined to disagree.

Well I that's your opinion so ok