Wasp Evade [Merged Threads]

LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★
edited June 2019 in Bugs and Known Issues
Wasp used to shrug off debuffs then evade as her ability stated:

https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-wasp/

Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed, then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds. This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.

It seems though that with the new patch this has changed to only shrug off the debuffs when she successfully evades, which means she would not/should not be able to evade something like iceman.

Now people are saying she is still evading iceman like her previously worded ability would allow, so I am not sure which is the bug the wording or the effect, but since the wording had to be changed perilously I am going to assume she is not longer meant to evade iceman.
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  • AxeCopFireAxeCopFire Posts: 1,115 ★★★


    Wasp no longer removes Cold Snap apparently? When was this change made?
  • It should be any damage over time debuff ... Either they changed it and now is "nerfed", or they just forgot to add other debuffs in there
  • AxeCopFireAxeCopFire Posts: 1,115 ★★★
    Nope nevermind, just tested it and she still evades Iceman, despite the fact that it doesn't say she purifies Cold Snap... she does purify Cold Snap.
  • AxeCopFireAxeCopFire Posts: 1,115 ★★★

    It should be any damage over time debuff ... Either they changed it and now is "nerfed", or they just forgot to add other debuffs in there

    Yeah looks like they just forgot to list Cold Snap, because it definitely still works on Cold Snap.
  • Archangel442Archangel442 Posts: 158
    I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★
    edited June 2019

    I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

    She does not do it that way, she purifies the debuffs, then afterwards she evades.
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    edited June 2019
    Lormif said:

    I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

    She does not do it that way, she purifies the debuffs, then afterwards she evades.
    It looks like you have it backwards. Reading the text it says any time Wasp successfully evades an attack, she purifies. That would mean she has to evade in order to purify which she shouldn’t be able to do with Coldsnap
  • She purifies the debuff first, then evades. Her interaction with coldsnap was confirmed as intended in her spotlight
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★
    V1PER1987 said:

    Lormif said:

    I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

    She does not do it that way, she purifies the debuffs, then afterwards she evades.
    It looks like you have it backwards. Reading the text it says any time Wasp successfully evades an attack, she purifies. That would mean she has to evade in order to purify which she shouldn’t be able to do with Coldsnap
    This wording has changed and appears to be in error or they are nerfing her. here is the wording until recently:

    Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed, then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds. This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-wasp/
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★

    She purifies the debuff first, then evades. Her interaction with coldsnap was confirmed as intended in her spotlight

    her wording has changed, apparently that is no longer the intended way for it to work.
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★

    She purifies the debuff first, then evades. Her interaction with coldsnap was confirmed as intended in her spotlight

    Well then they need to revert the wording back because that’s not how it reads.
  • Austin555555Austin555555 Posts: 2,533 ★★★★
    Coldsnap always has stopped any evades.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★

    Coldsnap always has stopped any evades.

    it did not stop hers, because it was shrugged off before she evaded. People used to post bug reports because they did not understand the order. The wording has changed, and if that is the new intended effect it would be a nerf for her.
  • MedinaKhanMedinaKhan Posts: 159

    Coldsnap always has stopped any evades.

    Yea, but she purifies it off first, so it doesn't stop the evade anymore.
  • will-o-wispwill-o-wisp Posts: 8,752 Guardian
    edited June 2019
    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★
    Ye also it’s no longer all damaging debuffs i never used wasp but before was she able to shrug debuffs like black iso debuff from kingpin
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★

    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

    Ye things like kingpins black iso debuff punisher2099 disintegration debuff etc
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★

    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

    They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.
  • GamerGamer Posts: 6,184 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

    They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.
    But he stil don’t stop it

  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★
    Gamer said:

    Lormif said:

    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

    They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.
    But he stil don’t stop it

    Based on the new wording that should be a bug. With the new wording there should be no way she has around that. I am cool if they wanted to give her a way to not be evaded by players, but stealth nerfs are not the way to go.
  • GamerGamer Posts: 6,184 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Gamer said:

    Lormif said:

    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

    They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.
    But he stil don’t stop it

    Based on the new wording that should be a bug. With the new wording there should be no way she has around that. I am cool if they wanted to give her a way to not be evaded by players, but stealth nerfs are not the way to go.
    Like all people dos is asumums it a nerf yes the wording is misleading and shuld talk to kabam instand of rigth away said it a neft
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★
    Gamer said:

    Lormif said:

    Gamer said:

    Lormif said:

    I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
    Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

    They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.
    But he stil don’t stop it

    Based on the new wording that should be a bug. With the new wording there should be no way she has around that. I am cool if they wanted to give her a way to not be evaded by players, but stealth nerfs are not the way to go.
    Like all people dos is asumums it a nerf yes the wording is misleading and shuld talk to kabam instand of rigth away said it a neft
    the only part that is misleading is that it says anytime she evades she does that, which could include dexterity. How she now shrugs off debuffs is not misleading, it says she does it after a successful evade, meaning that if she cannot evade she cannot shrug them off. That being said I have a post in bugs and known issue to see if this was an intended nerf or a mistaken change in wording.
  • Hey y'all!

    Really sorry for the delayed response to this one. We're going to get this looked at ASAP. Once we get some confirmation on what's going on, we'll report back to y'all. Thank you for the heads up on this!
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★

    Hey y'all!

    Really sorry for the delayed response to this one. We're going to get this looked at ASAP. Once we get some confirmation on what's going on, we'll report back to y'all. Thank you for the heads up on this!

    Any news on this?
  • Kabam LyraKabam Lyra Posts: 2,879 ★★★
    Hi all,

    We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★

    Hi all,

    We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

    Sounds good, thank you.
  • iRetr0iRetr0 Posts: 1,240 ★★★★

    Hi all,

    We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

    It shouldn't be like this though, if Coldsnap prevents evade, how can Wasp purify Coldsnap when she can't evade in the first place?
  • LormifLormif Posts: 4,975 ★★★★★

    Hi all,

    We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

    It shouldn't be like this though, if Coldsnap prevents evade, how can Wasp purify Coldsnap when she can't evade in the first place?
    Because she purifies debuffs before she attempts the evade.

    The way her abilty works is
    Step 1. Purify all damage over time abilties (this includes coldsnap)
    Step 2. Evade.

    You are basing your belief of the steps being in the reverse order. If she evaded first and then purified coldsnap would stop her.

    here is how the ability read before this patch, what they are reverting to:

    (Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed Step 1),( then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds.step2) This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.
  • Hi all,

    We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.


    How about all other DoT debuffs missing from her description? Like Punisher 2099 sp3 debuff, Loki curse, havoc feedback, etc.
    Changing the description like this made it more confusing and musleading due to the lack of info
  • iRetr0iRetr0 Posts: 1,240 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Hi all,

    We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

    It shouldn't be like this though, if Coldsnap prevents evade, how can Wasp purify Coldsnap when she can't evade in the first place?
    Because she purifies debuffs before she attempts the evade.

    The way her abilty works is
    Step 1. Purify all damage over time abilties (this includes coldsnap)
    Step 2. Evade.

    You are basing your belief of the steps being in the reverse order. If she evaded first and then purified coldsnap would stop her.

    here is how the ability read before this patch, what they are reverting to:

    (Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed Step 1),( then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds.step2) This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.
    Oh okay, it says on the picture provided in the 1st comment that whenever she successfully evades, she removes.
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