Wasp Evade [Merged Threads]

Lormif

Wasp used to shrug off debuffs then evade as her ability stated:

https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-wasp/

Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed, then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds. This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.

It seems though that with the new patch this has changed to only shrug off the debuffs when she successfully evades, which means she would not/should not be able to evade something like iceman.

Now people are saying she is still evading iceman like her previously worded ability would allow, so I am not sure which is the bug the wording or the effect, but since the wording had to be changed perilously I am going to assume she is not longer meant to evade iceman.

AxeCopFire

Wasp no longer removes Cold Snap apparently? When was this change made?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

It should be any damage over time debuff ... Either they changed it and now is "nerfed", or they just forgot to add other debuffs in there

AxeCopFire

Nope nevermind, just tested it and she still evades Iceman, despite the fact that it doesn't say she purifies Cold Snap... she does purify Cold Snap.

AxeCopFire

will-o-wisp said:

It should be any damage over time debuff ... Either they changed it and now is "nerfed", or they just forgot to add other debuffs in there

Yeah looks like they just forgot to list Cold Snap, because it definitely still works on Cold Snap.

Archangel442

I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

Lormif

Archangel442 said:

I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

She does not do it that way, she purifies the debuffs, then afterwards she evades.

V1PER1987

Lormif said:

Archangel442 said:

I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

She does not do it that way, she purifies the debuffs, then afterwards she evades.

It looks like you have it backwards. Reading the text it says any time Wasp successfully evades an attack, she purifies. That would mean she has to evade in order to purify which she shouldn’t be able to do with Coldsnap

Eb0ny-O-M4w

She purifies the debuff first, then evades. Her interaction with coldsnap was confirmed as intended in her spotlight

Lormif

V1PER1987 said:

Lormif said:

Archangel442 said:

I thought cold snap prevented all evades... if she has to successfully evade to remove the debuff, how can she remove coldsnap?

She does not do it that way, she purifies the debuffs, then afterwards she evades.

It looks like you have it backwards. Reading the text it says any time Wasp successfully evades an attack, she purifies. That would mean she has to evade in order to purify which she shouldn’t be able to do with Coldsnap

This wording has changed and appears to be in error or they are nerfing her. here is the wording until recently:

Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed, then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds. This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.

https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-wasp/

Lormif

will-o-wisp said:

She purifies the debuff first, then evades. Her interaction with coldsnap was confirmed as intended in her spotlight

her wording has changed, apparently that is no longer the intended way for it to work.

V1PER1987

will-o-wisp said:

She purifies the debuff first, then evades. Her interaction with coldsnap was confirmed as intended in her spotlight

Well then they need to revert the wording back because that’s not how it reads.

Austin555555

Coldsnap always has stopped any evades.

Lormif

Austin555555 said:

Coldsnap always has stopped any evades.

it did not stop hers, because it was shrugged off before she evaded. People used to post bug reports because they did not understand the order. The wording has changed, and if that is the new intended effect it would be a nerf for her.

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Eb0ny-O-M4w

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

Kobster84

Ye also it’s no longer all damaging debuffs i never used wasp but before was she able to shrug debuffs like black iso debuff from kingpin

Kobster84

will-o-wisp said:

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

Ye things like kingpins black iso debuff punisher2099 disintegration debuff etc

Lormif

will-o-wisp said:

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.

Gamer

Lormif said:

will-o-wisp said:

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.

But he stil don’t stop it

Lormif

Gamer said:

Lormif said:

will-o-wisp said:

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.

But he stil don’t stop it

Based on the new wording that should be a bug. With the new wording there should be no way she has around that. I am cool if they wanted to give her a way to not be evaded by players, but stealth nerfs are not the way to go.

Gamer

Lormif said:

Gamer said:

Lormif said:

will-o-wisp said:

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.

But he stil don’t stop it

Based on the new wording that should be a bug. With the new wording there should be no way she has around that. I am cool if they wanted to give her a way to not be evaded by players, but stealth nerfs are not the way to go.

Like all people dos is asumums it a nerf yes the wording is misleading and shuld talk to kabam instand of rigth away said it a neft

Lormif

Gamer said:

Lormif said:

Gamer said:

Lormif said:

will-o-wisp said:

I agree the wording change is wrong and misleading. It's nerfed compared with what it was before.
Think they tried to list the damage over time debuffs instead of saying "all dot debuffs apart from bleed". But in the process, they forgot to include half of the DoT debuffs that there are in the game.

They also changed it so it is only shrugged of on a successful evade which switches the order, which should mean Iceman would prevent it now.

But he stil don’t stop it

Based on the new wording that should be a bug. With the new wording there should be no way she has around that. I am cool if they wanted to give her a way to not be evaded by players, but stealth nerfs are not the way to go.

Like all people dos is asumums it a nerf yes the wording is misleading and shuld talk to kabam instand of rigth away said it a neft

the only part that is misleading is that it says anytime she evades she does that, which could include dexterity. How she now shrugs off debuffs is not misleading, it says she does it after a successful evade, meaning that if she cannot evade she cannot shrug them off. That being said I have a post in bugs and known issue to see if this was an intended nerf or a mistaken change in wording.

Kabam Vydious

Hey y'all!

Really sorry for the delayed response to this one. We're going to get this looked at ASAP. Once we get some confirmation on what's going on, we'll report back to y'all. Thank you for the heads up on this!

Lormif

Kabam Vydious said:

Hey y'all!

Really sorry for the delayed response to this one. We're going to get this looked at ASAP. Once we get some confirmation on what's going on, we'll report back to y'all. Thank you for the heads up on this!

Any news on this?

Kabam Lyra

Hi all,

We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

Lormif

Kabam Lyra said:

Hi all,

We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

Sounds good, thank you.

iRetr0

Kabam Lyra said:

Hi all,

We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

It shouldn't be like this though, if Coldsnap prevents evade, how can Wasp purify Coldsnap when she can't evade in the first place?

Lormif

The_Unknown said:

Kabam Lyra said:

Hi all,

We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

It shouldn't be like this though, if Coldsnap prevents evade, how can Wasp purify Coldsnap when she can't evade in the first place?

Because she purifies debuffs before she attempts the evade.

The way her abilty works is
Step 1. Purify all damage over time abilties (this includes coldsnap)
Step 2. Evade.

You are basing your belief of the steps being in the reverse order. If she evaded first and then purified coldsnap would stop her.

here is how the ability read before this patch, what they are reverting to:

(Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed Step 1),( then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds.step2) This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Kabam Lyra said:

Hi all,

We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

How about all other DoT debuffs missing from her description? Like Punisher 2099 sp3 debuff, Loki curse, havoc feedback, etc.
Changing the description like this made it more confusing and musleading due to the lack of info

iRetr0

Lormif said:

The_Unknown said:

Kabam Lyra said:

Hi all,

We are working on a fix for this issue so that Wasp will be able to purify the Coldsnap and then Evade. We'll also update the in-game description to be more clear about this. This fix will likely not be able to be applied until the next game update. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience.

It shouldn't be like this though, if Coldsnap prevents evade, how can Wasp purify Coldsnap when she can't evade in the first place?

Because she purifies debuffs before she attempts the evade.

The way her abilty works is
Step 1. Purify all damage over time abilties (this includes coldsnap)
Step 2. Evade.

You are basing your belief of the steps being in the reverse order. If she evaded first and then purified coldsnap would stop her.

here is how the ability read before this patch, what they are reverting to:

(Wasp has a 8% chance to shrug off all Damaging Debuffs other than Bleed Step 1),( then shrink to Counter Attack, Evading the opponent’s attack and inflicting Shock, dealing 1384 Energy Damage over 8 seconds.step2) This ability does not activate if Wasp is about to Parry an attack.

Oh okay, it says on the picture provided in the 1st comment that whenever she successfully evades, she removes.