Human Torch’s pre-fight ability did not activate after consuming a charge.

I activated Human Torch’s pre-fight ability in AQ map 7 and it did not place nova flames instead of incinerates. Maybe it had something to do with the screen refresh afterwards but will do further testing later in the quest.

Video:

https://youtu.be/UNnFNlsDjzE

Comments

Bøbønn

Hi everyone! It’s the second time already that I have an issue with human torch ability pre-fight that doesn’t trigger in war... I don’t know why because in quests and other stuffs works as usual... but it’s a big problem if it doesn’t in wars... please check this out and solve the problem. Thank you

Kabam Vydious

Hi there!

Can you please tell us who you were up against and what node buffs were active?

Warmachibe

On iOS, current version of game installed (23.1.0), human torch’s pre-fight ability does not work in AQ or AW.

Evidence:

https://youtu.be/bu3EZbfpvwM

https://youtu.be/nx0D8fz1ttY

GroundedWisdom

Hmm...I know others have had similar issues. I belive it was either War or AQ. I haven't brought him into either yet. I might test it out.

Austin555555

It’s been working fine when I use my 4* version in AQ.
Maybe because korg is made of rocks and rocks can put out fires, idk

Warmachibe

@Kabam Vydious any news on this? His pre-fight ability is still not activating in AQ. I tried using it today in Map 7.

Warmachibe

FYI this is still bugged in 24.0

Video evidence below

This is getting ridiculous. It’s been months since his release and this has been reported quite a few times. It has never worked consistently in aq or aw.

https://youtu.be/Ik0xTTg07R0

CoatHang3r

Seeing issues with this over the past weeks.
The following are all AQ map 7 and include fights against Korg, Moonknight and Thing. I use HT’s pre-fight ability consuming the persistent charge without the benefit.

https://youtu.be/UNnFNlsDjzE

https://youtu.be/4GzHsKfxKJE

https://youtu.be/vJ95tLkByL4

https://youtu.be/pQgEOWCkRQI

Ipad pro (10.5 inch)
Ios 12.2

Kabam Lyra

Is this issue happening on the first activation of the pre-fight ability or is it just on the second or third?

CoatHang3r

Is this issue happening on the first activation of the pre-fight ability or is it just on the second or third?

It is happening on the first activation in any of the Korg videos. The Moon Knight and Thing videos are the second attempted activation also failing, the Moon Knight video is in the same AQ as a failed activation against Korg making 2 failures in the same AQ.

Here is another video from of map 7, what is interesting is that the match starts HT does not gain his pre-fight ability and activates his signature ability giving him another persistent charge.

https://youtu.be/zy2Ie27L9l4

CoatHang3r

Today I had this happen in AW also. Human torch failed to gain his pre-fight ability after consuming the charge.

Expert map
Node 34
Node buffs: Empowered Immunity, Oscillate, Champion Boost, Health

https://youtu.be/MEWwbo96pTA

MDarwish

I'm just asking.. HT worth Awaken Gem and R4? I didn't see any of YouTuber using him.. Thanks in advance @CoatHang3r

GroundedWisdom

I'm just asking.. HT worth Awaken Gem and R4? I didn't see any of YouTuber using him.. Thanks in advance @CoatHang3r

Definitley worth R4. Took mine to R3 and he melts Champs, especially Mystic. I'd use an AG on him. Depends what you have and what you're working on. I wouldn't regret it.

CoatHang3r

I'm just asking.. HT worth Awaken Gem and R4? I didn't see any of YouTuber using him.. Thanks in advance @CoatHang3r

R4 depends on if you can use or if you need what he brings. His awakened ability is currently unreliable due to his pre-fight being buggy, and is best off at high sig level so you’ll need to commit a lot of sig stones to it.

He fill roles you may be lacking. Incinerate/coldsnap immunity, non-bleed damage over time, energy based damage, heal mitigation/elimination.

His awakened ability isn’t needed so much but is good to have though isn’t very useful unless high sig level; kinda fills a dual purpose of prestige and usefulness when it’s maxed. He was my back up plan to Thing which is why he got those resources from me.

1) He does energy damage and IMO is second to Havok; unless the champion you are fighting is buff reliant then Sym Supreme is a better option.

2) He has strong DOT potential that reduces healing and is not bleed based like most champs. His pre-fight ability makes him capable of taking on debuff immune nodes/champions while still taking advantage if that DOT.

3) He can work his way to anti-miss mechanics which right now not many champions have. But there are not many places you’ll need anti-miss.

4) His awakened ability is purely about regaining his pre-fight ability. He doesn’t need to be awakened so much, especially since his pre-fight ability is buggy which often renders it useless. Taking advantage of his pre-fight requires using him in multiple fights which can/will leave you fighting with low HP or using pots to be safe. But if you’re good at avoiding or not taking lots of damage and can then use him multiple times throughout a quest his awakened ability would be useful.

Aloof_a_lot

@Kabam Miike @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra any update on this issue? I just had it happen vs Meph mini boss in map 6. Obviously, that fight didn’t go well as he takes no damage from incinerates. I’ve also had it happen against several other champs, normally with the first charge.

CoatHang3r

@Aloof_a_lot I have been restarting the game prior to using his pre-fight and it has not failed me after doing so; might just be getting lucky though.

Whitethunder305

He’s still bugged. Just happened to me in AQ on the first activation of his ability

StarNavigator

AW (2 category). VOID on 55 Node.
I try to use nova flame human torch ability (flame on before start fight).
But VOID is immune to this type of passive incinerate.
I think this is BUG

Championcritic

It says void is immune to incinerate EFFECTS, passive incinerates are still EFFECTS, so not a bug.

te_dua_shum

It says void is immune to incinerate EFFECTS, passive incinerates are still EFFECTS, so not a bug.

Nova Flame isn't an incinerate effect, but a generic energy one (treated as an incinerate only for HT's abilities), and should be applied on void. this also according to what the devs said in HT's spotlight:

Dev Notes: Nova Flame Passives deal the same damage and last for the same duration as the Incinerate they’re replacing. In addition to the effects listed here, they can also bypass an Opponent’s immunity to Incinerate.

CoatHang3r

Void should take nova flame damage. What likely happened is the pre-fight ability failed to activate leaving you with normal incinerates.

Championcritic

It says void is immune to incinerate EFFECTS, passive incinerates are still EFFECTS, so not a bug.
Nova Flame isn't an incinerate effect, but a generic energy one (treated as an incinerate only for HT's abilities), and should be applied on void. this also according to what the devs said in HT's spotlight:

Dev Notes: Nova Flame Passives deal the same damage and last for the same duration as the Incinerate they’re replacing. In addition to the effects listed here, they can also bypass an Opponent’s immunity to Incinerate.

Good point, you are correct. In that case it might be a bug after all haha

StarNavigator

It’s strange. My previous message has been deleted. Well, at least not the whole topic. What is necessary to ensure that this information is at least verified? Continuing the topic. After I fought with him, after me, my ally saw a message that the torch ability was activated, although he did not have a torch. Is this system behavior correct?

Kabam Zibiit

We're still looking into this at the moment and have passed along the new info provided about where the issue has been seen.

Kabam Zibiit

Hey there, we have a fix that should resolve this issue in an upcoming update. In the meantime we would recommend that, if you are about to take Human Torch into a fight and activate his pre-fight ability, you not minimize or put the game into the background until you've entered the pre-fight screen and activated the pre-fight ability. This will help to keep this issue from occurring.

CoatHang3r

Good to hear!

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SuperSam57

Today in AW I took Human Torch to fight Mephesto in section 2 path 1 Buffet. I clicked the prefight ability, which showed active and when I entered the fight the prefight was not active during the fight. I have Torch at R5 sig 200 and have been using him for these fights on a regular basis, but this failed activation in fight cost me a revive, potions, and attack bonus. More importantly that HT is my favorite champ and I don't want to have any bugs with him, I want the dependability of the prefight fight back. @Kabam Miike or anyone that could help, thank you.

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