How does this happen?

BRJ2002

How many 6* are in the basic pool? I’ve opened 9 crystals and 3 of them have been miles morales. I find this very frustrating given that this is supposed to be random. This is a discussion @Kabam Vydious not a rant. I want to know how this happens. It’s very upsetting for the player 😞😡

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BRJ2002

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

Snizzbar

Random means unpredictable, not that you won't get the same result more than once.

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Lormif

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

RNG works by assigning each character a number, and then doing a random call in the program with the low being the lowest assigned number and the high being the highest. The pool size is current;y just under 90, so you have greater than a 1% chance to pull any given champ.

There is a probability of this happening, the problem with figuring out that probability is you need to know the pool size at each moment you pulled the miles.

BRJ2002

Lormif said:

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

RNG works by assigning each character a number, and then doing a random call in the program with the low being the lowest assigned number and the high being the highest. The pool size is current;y just under 90, so you have greater than a 1% chance to pull any given champ.

There is a probability of this happening, the problem with figuring out that probability is you need to know the pool size at each moment you pulled the miles.

So the fact of pulling him the last 2 times I’ve opened 6* are extremely low. Thanks for that.

Lormif

Well the probability of it happening is (1/poolsize)*(1/poolsize), so yes fairly small for the probability of it happening, but you have to remember that probabilities dont affect anything. The rolls are independent of each other. If you think yours is bad I pulled civil warrior back to back.

BRJ2002

@Lormif feel your pain man. Thanks for the info.

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Demonzfyre

BRJ2002 said:

Lormif said:

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

RNG works by assigning each character a number, and then doing a random call in the program with the low being the lowest assigned number and the high being the highest. The pool size is current;y just under 90, so you have greater than a 1% chance to pull any given champ.

There is a probability of this happening, the problem with figuring out that probability is you need to know the pool size at each moment you pulled the miles.

So the fact of pulling him the last 2 times I’ve opened 6* are extremely low. Thanks for that.

Would you even be posting and complaining if you pulled Corvus 3 times from a 6*?

Wubbie075

Where are all the "I PULLED GHOST 3 TIMES IN A ROW, THIS RNG IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts?

Also, let's have a little pop quiz. Which is these three results is more likely to occur than the others?

Option A:
Crystal 1: Miles Morales - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Miles Morales

Option B:
Crystal 1: Ghost - Crystal 2: Ghost - Crystal 3: Ghost

Option C:
Crystal 1: Archangel - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Civil Warrior

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BRJ2002

Demonzfyre said:

BRJ2002 said:

Lormif said:

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

RNG works by assigning each character a number, and then doing a random call in the program with the low being the lowest assigned number and the high being the highest. The pool size is current;y just under 90, so you have greater than a 1% chance to pull any given champ.

There is a probability of this happening, the problem with figuring out that probability is you need to know the pool size at each moment you pulled the miles.

So the fact of pulling him the last 2 times I’ve opened 6* are extremely low. Thanks for that.

Would you even be posting and complaining if you pulled Corvus 3 times from a 6*?

Complaining? No. Questioning? Yes.

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Demonzfyre

Wubbie075 said:

Where are all the "I PULLED GHOST 3 TIMES IN A ROW, THIS RNG IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts?

Also, let's have a little pop quiz. Which is these three results is more likely to occur than the others?

Option A:
Crystal 1: Miles Morales - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Miles Morales

Option B:
Crystal 1: Ghost - Crystal 2: Ghost - Crystal 3: Ghost

Option C:
Crystal 1: Archangel - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Civil Warrior

All three can happen.

Demonzfyre

BRJ2002 said:

Demonzfyre said:

BRJ2002 said:

Lormif said:

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

RNG works by assigning each character a number, and then doing a random call in the program with the low being the lowest assigned number and the high being the highest. The pool size is current;y just under 90, so you have greater than a 1% chance to pull any given champ.

There is a probability of this happening, the problem with figuring out that probability is you need to know the pool size at each moment you pulled the miles.

So the fact of pulling him the last 2 times I’ve opened 6* are extremely low. Thanks for that.

Would you even be posting and complaining if you pulled Corvus 3 times from a 6*?

Complaining? No. Questioning? Yes.

Would you post about it in the same manner as this post?

SiriusBreak

One of my Alliance mates pulled Blade (way back when he was 1st introduced to the 5* Basic Pool) 3× in a row. Highly improbable, but it happened. Did he complain? Of course not! He was happy. Just the same, it's the same principle. This isn't perfect RNG, it's pseudo RNG based on a set of parameters. It not having an infinite number of possible outcomes makes it easier for duplication to occur. Even in a row.

So you ask how? Easy, it's random, and is doing its job. Random means you could potentially get the same thing 5-10× or more in a row. Is that likely to happen? No, but it could. What everyone needs to come to terms with is simply this... the system does not suddenly take the last champ you pulled out of the pool of choices because it was the last one you got. That champ is still in the pool, and still very much a possibility. This is RNG with a set number of possibilities. Always gotta keep that in mind.

CoatHang3r

Wubbie075 said:

Where are all the "I PULLED GHOST 3 TIMES IN A ROW, THIS RNG IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts?

Also, let's have a little pop quiz. Which is these three results is more likely to occur than the others?

Option A:
Crystal 1: Miles Morales - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Miles Morales

Option B:
Crystal 1: Ghost - Crystal 2: Ghost - Crystal 3: Ghost

Option C:
Crystal 1: Archangel - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Civil Warrior

All are just as likely to occur. 😉

Lormif

Wubbie075 said:

Where are all the "I PULLED GHOST 3 TIMES IN A ROW, THIS RNG IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts?

Also, let's have a little pop quiz. Which is these three results is more likely to occur than the others?

Option A:
Crystal 1: Miles Morales - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Miles Morales

Option B:
Crystal 1: Ghost - Crystal 2: Ghost - Crystal 3: Ghost

Option C:
Crystal 1: Archangel - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Civil Warrior

People dont get upset when that happens so they dont post....

Wubbie075

Demonzfyre said:

Wubbie075 said:

Where are all the "I PULLED GHOST 3 TIMES IN A ROW, THIS RNG IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts?

Also, let's have a little pop quiz. Which is these three results is more likely to occur than the others?

Option A:
Crystal 1: Miles Morales - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Miles Morales

Option B:
Crystal 1: Ghost - Crystal 2: Ghost - Crystal 3: Ghost

Option C:
Crystal 1: Archangel - Crystal 2: Miles Morales - Crystal 3: Civil Warrior

All three can happen.

The question was not whether all three were possible, but how likely they are relative to each other. And the answer is....

CoatHang3r said:

All are just as likely to occur. 😉

Exactly, but I think a lot of people think Option C is more likely than the other two.

Lormif said:

People dont get upset when that happens so they dont post....

But if someone gets three different **** champs, they are upset and might whine about it, but we don't hear about how the RNG is broken despite the fact that that exact sequence of champs is exactly as likely as getting the same **** champ three times in a row.

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

Think about it like this you have the same chance as pulling him as any other character. Makes it seem more reasonable to getting him.

GroundedWisdom

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

RNG works semi-randomly. It's not completely random in the case of Champion Crystals with Drop Rates because those set parameters. In that sense, it's not random. In the case of things like Awakening Gem Crystals or T4CC Crystals, it is a true random because each Class has an equal chance. Basically it generates a random outcome from the available pool each time you open one. That pool doesn't take away the previous outcome. It's the same pool each time. Which means duplicates can and will occur. Each roll is an independent and separate outcome.

BenLucas

Hey @BRJ2002 I believe this happens because we are assuming/expecting the drop rate to be trully random (i.e. like rolling fair dice). Your 3 Morales is statistically like winning the lottery, so clearly we are surprised by such pulls. However, there is no clear or outright stipulation from kabam that the drop rate is exactly the same for all the champs in the pool.

Remember that it took years for them to disclose % drop rate of 4* and 5* from crystsals and so on (thanks to apple). Yet there is no clear stipulation that there is an even/equal chance to draw champs from the total pool. In other words, we might be rolling loaded dice, and that is completely legit - its up to them.

Conveninently we lack data, but how many times have you seen back to back Kamalas (or Blades) being pulled by folks in the same alliance? Last week I pulled 5* annihilius the same day as a teammate. Nobody else opened any other 5* champs in the alliance. How can that happen? Is it (A) lottery-style luck or (B) we were drawing loaded dice? I believe its (B) and we are better off by accepting that quickly and moving on.

Woogieboogie

BRJ2002 said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

Oof you’re still going on about this after your first post was take down?
It’s rng i fell and for you but you have to move on

Ha I know. I can’t see how it’s RNG. But I am curious how the RNG actually works.

Go to a casino and watch roulette. Same principle, it’s rare but it happens. You luck could be much worse though my dude.

GroundedWisdom

BenLucas said:

Hey @BRJ2002 I believe this happens because we are assuming/expecting the drop rate to be trully random (i.e. like rolling fair dice). Your 3 Morales is statistically like winning the lottery, so clearly we are surprised by such pulls. However, there is no clear or outright stipulation from kabam that the drop rate is exactly the same for all the champs in the pool.

Remember that it took years for them to disclose % drop rate of 4* and 5* from crystsals and so on (thanks to apple). Yet there is no clear stipulation that there is an even/equal chance to draw champs from the total pool. In other words, we might be rolling loaded dice, and that is completely legit - its up to them.

Conveninently we lack data, but how many times have you seen back to back Kamalas (or Blades) being pulled by folks in the same alliance? Last week I pulled 5* annihilius the same day as a teammate. Nobody else opened any other 5* champs in the alliance. How can that happen? Is it (A) lottery-style luck or (B) we were drawing loaded dice? I believe its (B) and we are better off by accepting that quickly and moving on.

They have confirmed time and time again that the Drop Rates for all Champs are the same unless otherwise specified. So that is not correct.

BenLucas

Sure. Then the only other explanation is that we are super lucky people. Right.

GroundedWisdom

Your statement was that there was no clear or outright stipulation. There has been direct specification that they're the same. As for luck, pull 3 Namors and we call that luck. Pull 3 KK, that's called unlucky. It's just subjective. Either way it's all just RNG.

Justin2524

Who were your other 6* pulls?

BenLucas

But you just stated that RNG is “semi-random”...
That doesnt make sense.

So what is it? Is it fully-random RNG (as the company apparently states somewhere) or semi-random RNG (as you suggested above)?

Answer=> whatever is convenient for your current argument.