Understood, but the vast majority of us that have a fair 5* roster don't have ones worth using them on anyway. If I have any quality 5*, they go to r3 first anyhow. At this point, they wouldn't really benefit a large amount of players.
"Vast majority"? "Large amount of players"? So you're actually saying more than 50% of players have a developed 5* roster and would get no use ranking down 4* champs and ranking up 5* champs? That horse that you're sitting on must be really high if you can't see what's going on below.
Read whole sentences bud, don't just skim. The sentence was "the vast majority of us THAT HAVE A FAIR 5* ROSTER". I understand the vast majority of all players have zero or a few 5* champs. His statement was that class cats could be re-applied to 5* champs, I'm saying that doesn't work for most players that DO have a 5* roster cause the champs are bad.
Understood, but the vast majority of us that have a fair 5* roster don't have ones worth using them on anyway. If I have any quality 5*, they go to r3 first anyhow. At this point, they wouldn't really benefit a large amount of players.
"Vast majority"? "Large amount of players"? So you're actually saying more than 50% of players have a developed 5* roster and would get no use ranking down 4* champs and ranking up 5* champs? That horse that you're sitting on must be really high if you can't see what's going on below.
Read whole sentences bud, don't just skim. The sentence was "the vast majority of us THAT HAVE A FAIR 5* ROSTER". I understand the vast majority of all players have zero or a few 5* champs. His statement was that class cats could be re-applied to 5* champs, I'm saying that doesn't work for most players that DO have a 5* roster cause the champs are bad.
The concept of a bad champ is very subjective, and the constant changes make it impossible to predict how useful a champ may be, e.g. Magik and Rhino. At this point I would simply R3 every 5* I have and/or get back some of the T4s that were hard to earn or bought...
Understood, but the vast majority of us that have a fair 5* roster don't have ones worth using them on anyway. If I have any quality 5*, they go to r3 first anyhow. At this point, they wouldn't really benefit a large amount of players.
"Vast majority"? "Large amount of players"? So you're actually saying more than 50% of players have a developed 5* roster and would get no use ranking down 4* champs and ranking up 5* champs? That horse that you're sitting on must be really high if you can't see what's going on below.
Read whole sentences bud, don't just skim. The sentence was "the vast majority of us THAT HAVE A FAIR 5* ROSTER". I understand the vast majority of all players have zero or a few 5* champs. His statement was that class cats could be re-applied to 5* champs, I'm saying that doesn't work for most players that DO have a 5* roster cause the champs are bad.
The concept of a bad champ is very subjective, and the constant changes make it impossible to predict how useful a champ may be, e.g. Magik and Rhino. At this point I would simply R3 every 5* I have and/or get back some of the T4s that were hard to earn or bought...
Dunno man, I wouldn't invest any cats into my unduped Luke, ant-man, magneto, etc. if you'd like, I'll use "undesirable" instead. So many high end players have a lot of undesirable 5* champs now who should not be ranked up. This is an issue created by the poor selection of champs that have been added to the basic pool while many good 4* champs were not released at all as 5*. The cream didn't rise to the 5*, it was skimmed and thrown away.
Dunno man, I wouldn't invest any cats into my unduped Luke, ant-man, magneto, etc. if you'd like, I'll use "undesirable" instead. So many high end players have a lot of undesirable 5* champs now who should not be ranked up. This is an issue created by the poor selection of champs that have been added to the basic pool while many good 4* champs were not released at all as 5*. The cream didn't rise to the 5*, it was skimmed and thrown away.
Sure but that is the same scenario as who doesn't have many or 5*s at all, just grab a few cats back from the now/soon useless 4* champs...
6*s shouldn't be coming out at all. 5*s came out when it was actually possible to max 4* champs. A massive cash grab by kabam and it's blatantly obvious
@Kabam Miike you are clearly reading these posts and yet continue to stay silent on the numerous comments about the lack of rank resources like T4B, T1A and gold...should the community assume that is on purpose and that the game team is limiting these resources intentionally? Why should players get excited about and invest in 6* when there is a glaring issue with rank resources right now, which will only get worse when 6* are released? Increasing the availability of T4C is pointless without increasing the resources that go along with T4C to rank 4* and 5* (and eventually 6*). While increasing or removing the cap on the number of T4C we can keep in our inventory is a good start, it is not enough.
I'm posting this again because someone has "flagged" it and these are valid questions.
TOTAL BS!!! We spent a lot of resources for 4s and now all of a sudden here comes 6s when we can't max 5s yet.
Give us 1000 rank down tickets to get rid of 4s or you will quickly die and rot for good this time
I heard of a rumor that rank down tickets may come back in December (right before 6*s come out). I hope this is true so I can take a few 5*s to 4/5 and 3/5.
I've narrowed down the problem, you shouldn't have made 5*s go to r5, introducing one level to the game in 5 months would be great, but introducing two levels higher than an r4 5* in a 5 month period is a rush job, it's unbalancing the game already and will make 4*s obsolete very very quickly, I'm curious why you bring in not selling 5* because now you can't actually milk the whales, oh wait if a 4* vision costs $150, I dread to think the dollar value
You will place on a 6 * crystal.
Understood, but the vast majority of us that have a fair 5* roster don't have ones worth using them on anyway. If I have any quality 5*, they go to r3 first anyhow. At this point, they wouldn't really benefit a large amount of players.
"Vast majority"? "Large amount of players"? So you're actually saying more than 50% of players have a developed 5* roster and would get no use ranking down 4* champs and ranking up 5* champs? That horse that you're sitting on must be really high if you can't see what's going on below.
Read whole sentences bud, don't just skim. The sentence was "the vast majority of us THAT HAVE A FAIR 5* ROSTER". I understand the vast majority of all players have zero or a few 5* champs. His statement was that class cats could be re-applied to 5* champs, I'm saying that doesn't work for most players that DO have a 5* roster cause the champs are bad.
I did read. Just because you R3 every "quality 5*" you get does not mean everyone else does. When you make blanket statements that speak for the majority like that, it is important to know the situation of the majority. From reading your posts, it seems like you're in the upper echelon of the game (probably top 100 alliance). Even for me, our alliance ranks around the top 200 in expert in AQ and is probably top 125 in AW and I still have a handful of champs that I wouldn't mind ranking to use or to get ready for a dupe. I do not do it because I simply do not have the resources, same with a lot of members in our alliance. We have to be selective because of resources. That would be a whole other story if we had the resources we invested in 4*. I am not trying to be rude, but assuming that the majority have no need to reallocate resources is inaccurate.
Kabam, can you tell me the difference between a 3*, 4*, 5*, and 6* Ultron? Why are we having our rosters defiled arbitrarily so we can rank up the same version of the champ we just had defiled?
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
With such 4* devaluation incoming, I believe you should consider to send an adjustment pack with 4* derank tickets, at the very least... Not everyone is swimming in T4 catalysts you certainly know, and the ones used on 4* were hard to obtain!
This will not be happening for a number of reasons, but the major ones being that you'll still need your 4-Star Champions for quite some time, and because this is a line of progression. You used your 4-Stars to get you to where you are now and to get 5-Stars, now you'll use them to get 6-Stars.
Okay this game is now garbage. 6 stars are trash. Why you ask? Because 2 years down the road 7 star champs will come out and not to mention we will probably have the limited roster of **** like rhinos and IMs. This game is rediculous.
Kabam, can you tell me the difference between a 3*, 4*, 5*, and 6* Ultron? Why are we having our rosters defiled arbitrarily so we can rank up the same version of the champ we just had defiled?
They are not being defiled. They are just as valuable as they have always been, but now there will be another version that is more powerful that will give you an advantage in later content that is more difficult (way down the line), or current content that is tuned for current rosters.
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
You are keeping in mind that when 5* champs hit the scene we already had maxed 4* champs and plenty at r4.
This go around we won't even have the resources to max 5*s around for a while before 6* champs arrive in quests. And many players don't even have their 5*s at r4 because they are complete garbage.
When 5*s made an appearance 4*s were already easy to come by in comparison to how challenging it is to get 5*s now. And those who can get a 5* monthly can't even get a decent one.
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
You are keeping in mind that when 5* champs hit the scene we already had maxed 4* champs and plenty at r4.
This go around we won't even have the resources to max 5*s around for a while before 6* champs arrive in quests. And many players don't even have their 5*s at r4 because they are complete garbage.
When 5*s made an appearance 4*s were already easy to come by in comparison to how challenging it is to get 5*s now. And those who can get a 5* monthly can't even get a decent one.
That is not entirely true...the vast majorities of players did not have max ranked 4*s when 5*s were released. Plus t2 alpha catalysts were not released until well after 5*s had even been introduced into the game making it impossible to rank them up past 3/45 which is equivalent to 5/50 4*s. They've already stated that prior to release of the 6*s that t5b catalysts will be introduced and that the rank up requirements to max out a 5* will be changed. So it seems like this is a very similar circumstance as there was when 5*s were released almost 2 years ago.
With such 4* devaluation incoming, I believe you should consider to send an adjustment pack with 4* derank tickets, at the very least... Not everyone is swimming in T4 catalysts you certainly know, and the ones used on 4* were hard to obtain!
This will not be happening for a number of reasons, but the major ones being that you'll still need your 4-Star Champions for quite some time, and because this is a line of progression. You used your 4-Stars to get you to where you are now and to get 5-Stars, now you'll use them to get 6-Stars.
Sorry to disagree but the reality is that we never considered you would make 4*s pretty much useless so quickly, and you achieved this by ramping up the difficulty level of 5.2 beyond the imaginable. I love the challenge but it is what it is, very few 4* R5s can play it. And now the incoming 6*s announce the final nail on 4*s coffins, the new "silver" champs, many upgraded with expensive resources assuming their utility! If this matter is not worth an adjustment pack of 4* (not 5*) rank down tickets I dunno what is worth... But you can do what you want, right? Devaluating our 2 years of effort made 4* rosters makes everyone super happy!
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
You are keeping in mind that when 5* champs hit the scene we already had maxed 4* champs and plenty at r4.
This go around we won't even have the resources to max 5*s around for a while before 6* champs arrive in quests. And many players don't even have their 5*s at r4 because they are complete garbage.
When 5*s made an appearance 4*s were already easy to come by in comparison to how challenging it is to get 5*s now. And those who can get a 5* monthly can't even get a decent one.
And you should add the time and effort.
Ours hours, days and efforts have no an extra star suddenly.
The climb was already huge, impossible for many, the new climb will be beyond the rational.
Despite promises about the materials availability will be rise, I'm pretty sure it will not be rise according to the new reality, because it would rise a lot A Lot (fixing the former gap and the new gap) and because in that way wouldn't make the necessity they want make to profit the new tier.
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
You are keeping in mind that when 5* champs hit the scene we already had maxed 4* champs and plenty at r4.
This go around we won't even have the resources to max 5*s around for a while before 6* champs arrive in quests. And many players don't even have their 5*s at r4 because they are complete garbage.
When 5*s made an appearance 4*s were already easy to come by in comparison to how challenging it is to get 5*s now. And those who can get a 5* monthly can't even get a decent one.
That is not entirely true...the vast majorities of players did not have max ranked 4*s when 5*s were released. Plus t2 alpha catalysts were not released until well after 5*s had even been introduced into the game making it impossible to rank them up past 3/45 which is equivalent to 5/50 4*s. They've already stated that prior to release of the 6*s that t5b catalysts will be introduced and that the rank up requirements to max out a 5* will be changed. So it seems like this is a very similar circumstance as there was when 5*s were released almost 2 years ago.
Which parts not true? Plenty of people had maxed 4*'s. And the community as a whole was already taking a good portion of 4*s up to r4 or at least building materials for rank 5.
Now that I've had some time to think more about this, I'll try to say something meaningful.
First off thank you for the heads up about the coming 6*'s. It is a reasonable amount of time ahead to allow us to plan for roster changes.
For me, and I am speaking for myself only, this has placed an effective expiration date on 4*'s. It makes no sense now for me to consider grinding in arenas for basic and certainly not for a 4* feature (Figures I finally a roster I could in theory start putting up 14 - 19m in feature).
Just like it has not made sense for me to grind for a 3*.
Newer players this makes a huge opportunity to get a good 4* team to start building a team of 5*'s as many players that have been around for a bit will not be hitting arenas past milestones and get shards which can translate into lower scores needed to get that new champ.
Now that I've had some time to think more about this, I'll try to say something meaningful.
First off thank you for the heads up about the coming 6*'s. It is a reasonable amount of time ahead to allow us to plan for roster changes.
For me, and I am speaking for myself only, this has placed an effective expiration date on 4*'s. It makes no sense now for me to consider grinding in arenas for basic and certainly not for a 4* feature (Figures I finally a roster I could in theory start putting up 14 - 19m in feature).
Just like it has not made sense for me to grind for a 3*.
Newer players this makes a huge opportunity to get a good 4* team to start building a team of 5*'s as many players that have been around for a bit will not be hitting arenas past milestones and get shards which can translate into lower scores needed to get that new champ.
Except that it won't nearly as much -- newer players will be flooded with 5* shards in a way veteran players never were (they already are based on the current calendar). Do you think they will be content to grind 17M for a 4* feature when they realize there is no way that a 4* will have the prestige needed to keep up in AQ or the firepower to handle anything other than the most watered-down new story quests? Do you think they will want to spend real $$$ on 4* feature crystals or pray to the RNG genie that they get a decent 4* or a 4* dupe so they can scrap together some 5* shards? They won't. They will want 5*'s just like everyone else, because you'll need to use them to get 6*'s and to keep up in the game and to manage through ridiculous quest nodes. And the only way to retain the players who have been around for as long as you and I have will be to make sure we are fed a steady diet of rank-up materials and shards to keep us interested and hanging on the hope of progression -- much of which will necessarily have to be made available at some level to the general player population as well, who will, after all, want to rank up their newly acquired 5*'s...
As for the heads up, I would prefer it came with a 5-month extension on item expiry and a few dozen rank down tickets myself.
This sucks because I've been holding on to all my t2a cats in the hopes of getting a great 5* champ to rank up. Now not sure I should ever use those cats on a 5*.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
You are keeping in mind that when 5* champs hit the scene we already had maxed 4* champs and plenty at r4.
This go around we won't even have the resources to max 5*s around for a while before 6* champs arrive in quests. And many players don't even have their 5*s at r4 because they are complete garbage.
When 5*s made an appearance 4*s were already easy to come by in comparison to how challenging it is to get 5*s now. And those who can get a 5* monthly can't even get a decent one.
And you should add the time and effort.
Ours hours, days and efforts have no an extra star suddenly.
The climb was already huge, impossible for many, the new climb will be beyond the rational.
Despite promises about the materials availability will be rise, I'm pretty sure it will not be rise according to the new reality, because it would rise a lot A Lot (fixing the former gap and the new gap) and because in that way wouldn't make the necessity they want make to profit the new tier.
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Miike please just stop saying they are just as valuable. This really is a slap in the face to everyone that has grinded for said 4*s. You stated this is progression in the game, yes 100% true 6*s would be but now our 4*s have become what we are used to as 3*s. So they are definitely devalued. I haven't used a 3* in 2 years now, the same will happen with 4*s we will eventually no longer use them. Knowing that their timeline has been cut even shorter definitely devalues them to the player base who either paid for them through unit recharges or crystals or grinded for them with time.
What is the reason we need more powerful characters? Thats my question, we haven't even maxed out a 5* so why do we need more powerful champs? Why not release SW, Thor, WW2Cap and bring back DR instead of releasing 6*s? Really doesn't make a lot of sense except Kabam wants big money spenders to just spend more money. I really just don't understand who does the marketing and planning at Kabam, they constantly miss the dart board and to be honest could've probably made 2 to 3x as much if it was run correctly.
It's kind of a kick in the face to work so hard on all these 4* then grind just to get 5* to be told we will make it easier for those after you and you get nothing for the time you put in. I agree with there should be a release of rank down tickets. There should be some for both 4* and 5* because let's face it almost every 2-4* will be obsolete in the new combat system against a 6*
Repeating the same **** and sticking a 6* on it doesn't make it enjoyable kabam. The game has become boring, the content is repetitive you have lost creativity and gone we will just rinse and repeat. I can tell you your 'dedicated and long term players' many of which have financed many kabam children through college are waiting to see what this actually means but are in the main ready to walk away as progress is rewarded by them funding later players who will progress faster and cheaper than they did but will continually bleat about champs being overpowered and needing a nerf because they can't play the game due to the ease of champ progression they have achieved. You haven't said you will triple the inventory capacity for items which we will need definately, nor that you will reduce the cost of items or 3 and 4* crystals as they are now worth so much less, you haven't really explained how non dup 6* shards will come from but we are guessing they will be as slow as 5* now but none of us are really seriously thinking of spending 2000 units on the new phc crystal to just get the same number of 1* we used to from the current phc crystals but now they are 3*. Do we look that stupid? There was much more interesting things you could have done rather than this nonsense and if your creative team can't hack it do what other products do and ask your players to tell you and we'll get a better creation than what you have put up
@DNA3000
The game isn't as static as you make it out to be in your scenarios.
On the one hand, you contend that 4* arenas will still be a major attraction because there will be droves of players who will knock themselves out for 4* featured and basic champs.
And on the other hand, you note that players are getting 5*'s now faster than players ever did previously--and, given Miike's statements, will get them even faster going forward.
In a game with story quests evolving toward 5* content and with 5* shards more available and necessary--and with 6* opponents on the horizon--I don't think you can credibly say that the 4* will be anything other than an afterthought in short measure. Sure, if you haven't beaten Kang or Thanos, then maybe the 4* is your ticket. But those guys aren't putting up 17M for 4* champs, not to mention putting up cash for 4* featured crystals.
Dr. Zola
I said nothing of the kind. I said nothing regarding the static nature of the game, I did not say arenas would still be "a major attraction" because "there will be droves of players who will knock themselves out for 4* featured and basic champs." I said that a) if some people stop grinding for the basic or featured champion there are thousands of players that will still do so. That's all but a fact for the reason I specified: there are currently over a hundred thousand players that enter and grind the basic arena that have no chance at the basic cutoff. You seem to be implying that 6* champions are going to devalue the basic and featured champ so much that no one will want to play the arenas anymore except "as an afterthought." But a lot of people do right now where the current value of those champions is zero because they have no hope of getting them. How is a lower value for the basic champion going to change that?
And as long as that many players are grinding in the arena, *some* of them will decide to put in the little extra effort to be in the top 10% and get the champion. And others will try to outgrind them. And where that stabilizes does depend on how valuable the champion is perceived to be: that is why the scores are higher or lower for different champions.
But it is illogical to assume that the arenas are going to be "an afterthought" when they are not an afterthought even when the champion is a low value repeat basic champion. People *still* grind for them. Just less. But still thousands of players do.
It is a fact that thousands still grind for 3* champs. Heck, I still do when they are new champs. That's even though 5* champions are far superior and I honestly don't use them for a lot myself. 4* champions are unlikely to become any less when 6* champs are released than 3* champions are now. That's the absolute floor. And since the other rewards besides the actual rank champ are far better for the basic and featured arenas, the value proposition dictates that the basic and featured arenas will likely draw more attention and more activity next year than the 3* arena draws now.
But even if I'm completely wrong in all of that, and I don't think I am, that *still* doesn't invalidate my original comment, which I am quoting here in full:
Not to be flippant, but anyone that doesn't want them can stop grinding for them. There are literally hundreds of thousands of other players that will be more than happy to get them if others don't want them. There's no shortage of players putting up big numbers for new featured and basic champions.
This is a true statement on its face. There are lots of players that will be perfectly happy to get those champions if the top grinders are no longer interested in expending a lot of effort to get them. If you eliminate the top grinders, even if you eliminate the entire top 10% of grinders, there is still the 90% of the rest of the playerbase that could not get them before, and will be perfectly happy now that those champions cutoff scores drop to become within their reach. That is true regardless of how valuable 6* champions are, because the vast majority of players are not in a position where getting 6* champions is or will be an option. It doesn't matter how much better 6* champions are than 4* champions to players that can't earn them quickly or at all.
There are at least 1.3 million active players in the game based on the button pressing stats. There are at least 130,000 arena grinders that can make at least the rank reward level in the basic arena. My guess is more than half of those are unlikely to be earning more than one 5* per month. In a game where everyone's earning rate is quadrupled over time, those players will still likely take over a year to earn their first 6* champion. You're saying those players are going to decide not to bother shooting for a 4* champion they don't have and 5* shards they could use in the arena because a 6* champion they will likely first get their hands on in 2019 makes those champions irrelevant.
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Read whole sentences bud, don't just skim. The sentence was "the vast majority of us THAT HAVE A FAIR 5* ROSTER". I understand the vast majority of all players have zero or a few 5* champs. His statement was that class cats could be re-applied to 5* champs, I'm saying that doesn't work for most players that DO have a 5* roster cause the champs are bad.
The concept of a bad champ is very subjective, and the constant changes make it impossible to predict how useful a champ may be, e.g. Magik and Rhino. At this point I would simply R3 every 5* I have and/or get back some of the T4s that were hard to earn or bought...
Dunno man, I wouldn't invest any cats into my unduped Luke, ant-man, magneto, etc. if you'd like, I'll use "undesirable" instead. So many high end players have a lot of undesirable 5* champs now who should not be ranked up. This is an issue created by the poor selection of champs that have been added to the basic pool while many good 4* champs were not released at all as 5*. The cream didn't rise to the 5*, it was skimmed and thrown away.
Sure but that is the same scenario as who doesn't have many or 5*s at all, just grab a few cats back from the now/soon useless 4* champs...
I'm posting this again because someone has "flagged" it and these are valid questions.
I heard of a rumor that rank down tickets may come back in December (right before 6*s come out). I hope this is true so I can take a few 5*s to 4/5 and 3/5.
You will place on a 6 * crystal.
I did read. Just because you R3 every "quality 5*" you get does not mean everyone else does. When you make blanket statements that speak for the majority like that, it is important to know the situation of the majority. From reading your posts, it seems like you're in the upper echelon of the game (probably top 100 alliance). Even for me, our alliance ranks around the top 200 in expert in AQ and is probably top 125 in AW and I still have a handful of champs that I wouldn't mind ranking to use or to get ready for a dupe. I do not do it because I simply do not have the resources, same with a lot of members in our alliance. We have to be selective because of resources. That would be a whole other story if we had the resources we invested in 4*. I am not trying to be rude, but assuming that the majority have no need to reallocate resources is inaccurate.
The hope to pull and dupe a good 5 * to finally pull he trigger was one of the only draws still left. Like others said takes the wind right out of my sails for playing the game for the next 5 month. Basically log on to grind to collect resources to eventually find out all the 6* options suck and be disappointed yet again.
This will not be happening for a number of reasons, but the major ones being that you'll still need your 4-Star Champions for quite some time, and because this is a line of progression. You used your 4-Stars to get you to where you are now and to get 5-Stars, now you'll use them to get 6-Stars.
They are not being defiled. They are just as valuable as they have always been, but now there will be another version that is more powerful that will give you an advantage in later content that is more difficult (way down the line), or current content that is tuned for current rosters.
Keep in mind that the same way that it took quite some time to be able to Rank Up 5-Stars compared to 4-Stars, it will be similar for 6-Stars. You'll still want to have a strong Roster of 5-Star and 4-Star Champions, because you'll need them to earn the materials required to obtain and rank up 6-Stars.
You are keeping in mind that when 5* champs hit the scene we already had maxed 4* champs and plenty at r4.
This go around we won't even have the resources to max 5*s around for a while before 6* champs arrive in quests. And many players don't even have their 5*s at r4 because they are complete garbage.
When 5*s made an appearance 4*s were already easy to come by in comparison to how challenging it is to get 5*s now. And those who can get a 5* monthly can't even get a decent one.
That is not entirely true...the vast majorities of players did not have max ranked 4*s when 5*s were released. Plus t2 alpha catalysts were not released until well after 5*s had even been introduced into the game making it impossible to rank them up past 3/45 which is equivalent to 5/50 4*s. They've already stated that prior to release of the 6*s that t5b catalysts will be introduced and that the rank up requirements to max out a 5* will be changed. So it seems like this is a very similar circumstance as there was when 5*s were released almost 2 years ago.
Sorry to disagree but the reality is that we never considered you would make 4*s pretty much useless so quickly, and you achieved this by ramping up the difficulty level of 5.2 beyond the imaginable. I love the challenge but it is what it is, very few 4* R5s can play it. And now the incoming 6*s announce the final nail on 4*s coffins, the new "silver" champs, many upgraded with expensive resources assuming their utility! If this matter is not worth an adjustment pack of 4* (not 5*) rank down tickets I dunno what is worth... But you can do what you want, right? Devaluating our 2 years of effort made 4* rosters makes everyone super happy!
And you should add the time and effort.
Ours hours, days and efforts have no an extra star suddenly.
The climb was already huge, impossible for many, the new climb will be beyond the rational.
Despite promises about the materials availability will be rise, I'm pretty sure it will not be rise according to the new reality, because it would rise a lot A Lot (fixing the former gap and the new gap) and because in that way wouldn't make the necessity they want make to profit the new tier.
First off thank you for the heads up about the coming 6*'s. It is a reasonable amount of time ahead to allow us to plan for roster changes.
For me, and I am speaking for myself only, this has placed an effective expiration date on 4*'s. It makes no sense now for me to consider grinding in arenas for basic and certainly not for a 4* feature (Figures I finally a roster I could in theory start putting up 14 - 19m in feature).
Just like it has not made sense for me to grind for a 3*.
Newer players this makes a huge opportunity to get a good 4* team to start building a team of 5*'s as many players that have been around for a bit will not be hitting arenas past milestones and get shards which can translate into lower scores needed to get that new champ.
Except that it won't nearly as much -- newer players will be flooded with 5* shards in a way veteran players never were (they already are based on the current calendar). Do you think they will be content to grind 17M for a 4* feature when they realize there is no way that a 4* will have the prestige needed to keep up in AQ or the firepower to handle anything other than the most watered-down new story quests? Do you think they will want to spend real $$$ on 4* feature crystals or pray to the RNG genie that they get a decent 4* or a 4* dupe so they can scrap together some 5* shards? They won't. They will want 5*'s just like everyone else, because you'll need to use them to get 6*'s and to keep up in the game and to manage through ridiculous quest nodes. And the only way to retain the players who have been around for as long as you and I have will be to make sure we are fed a steady diet of rank-up materials and shards to keep us interested and hanging on the hope of progression -- much of which will necessarily have to be made available at some level to the general player population as well, who will, after all, want to rank up their newly acquired 5*'s...
As for the heads up, I would prefer it came with a 5-month extension on item expiry and a few dozen rank down tickets myself.
Dr. Zola
No one forced you to focus on 4 stars!
I said nothing of the kind. I said nothing regarding the static nature of the game, I did not say arenas would still be "a major attraction" because "there will be droves of players who will knock themselves out for 4* featured and basic champs." I said that a) if some people stop grinding for the basic or featured champion there are thousands of players that will still do so. That's all but a fact for the reason I specified: there are currently over a hundred thousand players that enter and grind the basic arena that have no chance at the basic cutoff. You seem to be implying that 6* champions are going to devalue the basic and featured champ so much that no one will want to play the arenas anymore except "as an afterthought." But a lot of people do right now where the current value of those champions is zero because they have no hope of getting them. How is a lower value for the basic champion going to change that?
And as long as that many players are grinding in the arena, *some* of them will decide to put in the little extra effort to be in the top 10% and get the champion. And others will try to outgrind them. And where that stabilizes does depend on how valuable the champion is perceived to be: that is why the scores are higher or lower for different champions.
But it is illogical to assume that the arenas are going to be "an afterthought" when they are not an afterthought even when the champion is a low value repeat basic champion. People *still* grind for them. Just less. But still thousands of players do.
It is a fact that thousands still grind for 3* champs. Heck, I still do when they are new champs. That's even though 5* champions are far superior and I honestly don't use them for a lot myself. 4* champions are unlikely to become any less when 6* champs are released than 3* champions are now. That's the absolute floor. And since the other rewards besides the actual rank champ are far better for the basic and featured arenas, the value proposition dictates that the basic and featured arenas will likely draw more attention and more activity next year than the 3* arena draws now.
But even if I'm completely wrong in all of that, and I don't think I am, that *still* doesn't invalidate my original comment, which I am quoting here in full:
This is a true statement on its face. There are lots of players that will be perfectly happy to get those champions if the top grinders are no longer interested in expending a lot of effort to get them. If you eliminate the top grinders, even if you eliminate the entire top 10% of grinders, there is still the 90% of the rest of the playerbase that could not get them before, and will be perfectly happy now that those champions cutoff scores drop to become within their reach. That is true regardless of how valuable 6* champions are, because the vast majority of players are not in a position where getting 6* champions is or will be an option. It doesn't matter how much better 6* champions are than 4* champions to players that can't earn them quickly or at all.
There are at least 1.3 million active players in the game based on the button pressing stats. There are at least 130,000 arena grinders that can make at least the rank reward level in the basic arena. My guess is more than half of those are unlikely to be earning more than one 5* per month. In a game where everyone's earning rate is quadrupled over time, those players will still likely take over a year to earn their first 6* champion. You're saying those players are going to decide not to bother shooting for a 4* champion they don't have and 5* shards they could use in the arena because a 6* champion they will likely first get their hands on in 2019 makes those champions irrelevant.
I must respectfully disagree.