Okay, here's the Thing...(war complaint)

Okay, first off. This is my first time issuing a complaint after playing the game for nigh on 2 years, so hopefully that sets up how strongly i feel about this problem

I am a capable boss killer in my alliance and have a very strong team. Maxed out Blade, CAIW, Voodoo, Venom, and other strong folks on the bench. And yet, the rise of Thing in the meta has hurt my batting average for one champ one kill boss fights. Both CAIW and Blade, my strongest damage dealers/Thing counters, can never get him below 30% without timing out.

Now, durable bosses aren't new (Korg being the former poster boy), but there were a number of effective work arounds there. However, the amount of counters to Thing are so minuscule, as a game designer/MCOC player myself, I felt like I had to post something. Bleed immune, shock immune, nullify resistance, immune to effects to make him more squishy, being forced to play slow to make sure he doesn't build unstoppable, all of it amounts to a guaranteed loss from a time out.

To be clear, I'm not saying he is OP. I can fight him reliably out of war. But having Blade kick ass only to lose in a fight he'd have certainly won is incredibly disheartening and rage inducing. Even CAIW with his megaton sp2 couldn't get him below that 30%.

So my request/recommendations are one or more of these: 1. Add 30s (or maybe a minute if you're generous) to the boss timer, remove time outs as a means of costing the attackers a potential attack bonus, or nerf Things defenses. I am far more in favor of the former 2, but figured i'd put the third in as a possibility.

Now I have thought about this a lot. The main counter I can think of is She-Hulk and let's be honest, after the nerf and rank down, how many high level players do you think kept her maxed out now that she can't heavy chain. There are so few others i can even think of with the DPS to take him down.

I hope you will consider the timer change or removing time out attack bonus penalty, on a team of 30 high level players we don't have anyone capable of that DPS at an appropriate level and I think that's a problem

TL:DR
Thing too tanky in war. Time out. Angry. Give me more time to kill.

Comments

MOEDrums

Completely agree, and I’d suggest getting rid of the 3 minute timer all together. Unfortunately it’s only a matter of time until 6* r3 Things and other champs to start appearing and it’ll just lead to more alliances deciding to focus on AQ instead as Timing Out just leaves a bitter taste in everyone’s mouth

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mbuntu

Well Blade is not a good counter to Thing in War, as Thing is not a marked villain. Ghost can solo thing, Omega can with ST synergy, Proxima can.

However I'm not disagreeing with you nor agreeing.

Fact : Thing is very tanky with a very few counters.

Well he isn't a good counter in that danger sense doesn't activate. But his ability to reliably cause bleeds without having to attack allows him to control the fight since parries will lower Thing's rock armors. Meaning if he gets to 15 and is not at one bar, i can just parry to give myself more room to attack safely. Also even without danger sense, his damage is still nothing to sneeze at

drizzyKINGS

@Kabam Miike

joebabbo

@Kabam Miike

Lol

DRTO

AW Thing Boss, one shot with over a minute left, using Blade. Just gonna leave this here.

RakeYoung

AW Thing Boss, one shot with over a minute left, using Blade. Just gonna leave this here.

judging by the PI on thing, it doesnt look like a max rank or max sig Thing.

Things sig ability makes a big difference since it activates protection.

edit:
i recently fought Thing in AW as the boss(tier 4) and he was rank5 sig 100ish and his PI was about 50k.

RakeYoung

Yeah. Just looked that guy up in game. Sig40 and currently in Silver for AW

Jwallace25

The only problem with removing the timer is that if you have other people in the alliance waiting to attack, and someone pauses in the middle of the fight to do something else and forgets he is in a fight, everyone else is stuck until that player finishes. So I am in favor of doing something about the 3-minute timer, like making it a 5-minute timer, but I don't think it's a good idea to remove it altogether.

TheTalents

My alliance uses r5 5 star Void on thing and can solo him as well.

mbuntu

My alliance uses r5 5 star Void on thing and can solo him as well.

I thought maybe that was possible, but wasn't confident enough in it to be comfortable. Sadly, you can't replicate the conditions needed to test these champs and trying such a thing during war is too much of a gamble and unfair to the alliance if it fails.

Aryl

I've said it on multiple occasions...

2:55 is not long enough in the current meta. We have a mere 175 seconds to to not only blast away hundreds of thousands of health but also work around time dependent buffs on defenders.

It's akin to trying to play MCoC on a Nokia. It just doesn't work.

Aryl

Yeah. Just looked that guy up in game. Sig40 and currently in Silver for AW

This is why that guy 1 shot him in AW with a minute left. Silver nodes are rofl.

CoatHang3r

I wouldn’t so quickly poopoo that being a silver AW fight because if the OP is posting from his account user name (and with the champions in his profile matching the info he provided) then the allies WR isn’t very far from what you’d expect to face similar fights. That Thing could be comparable to what the OP is struggling with.

mbuntu

During my rant it's true I didn't specify. The Things I fought were 100% maxed out in level and awakened. I do not know the sig levels for these cases, but where my alliance is now, you can't afford to have anything less than a maxed out champ as your boss.

Aryl

I wouldn’t so quickly poopoo that being a silver AW

I would. I've fought r5 Things in silver, gold and plat. It's a big difference.

CoatHang3r

I wouldn’t so quickly poopoo that being a silver AW

I would. I've fought r5 Things in silver, gold and plat. It's a big difference.

You’re right, I can do absolutely nothing to stop you from making assumptions and failing to understand. The OP and the “silver aw” Thing are separated by 340 WR. Additionally, the strength of your Thing is not determined by what season reward bracket you’re in, your WR decides that.

Thi101

It’s on these moments I really am thankful for my Spider-Gwen.
She’s one of the best counters for his unstoppable mechanic and hits quite hard after you build like 3 charges

Fred_Joeity

It’s on these moments I really am thankful for my Spider-Gwen.
She’s one of the best counters for his unstoppable mechanic and hits quite hard after you build like 3 charges

Spider-Gwen is great. Personally, she’s one of my go to champs whenever she’s not on AW defence. Granted, I’m an early-endgame player, so perhaps she’s not that viable at higher tiers, but she takes down Thing pretty handily.

Btw I do agree that 3 min timers are nowhere enough time to finish things, especially when there’s annoying nodes to work around

mbuntu

It’s on these moments I really am thankful for my Spider-Gwen.
She’s one of the best counters for his unstoppable mechanic and hits quite hard after you build like 3 charges

That's a good idea for me to consider. She is very capable. Mine is r4 though and I'm not very practiced using her against Things. Also, my game plan fighting them has always been to bait specials when they hit 15 rock counters. Trying a battle where I just keep his unstoppable from happening at all is something I'd also need to practice. Regardless, unless she's maxed out and using Venom synergy, I still think she'd time out or barely make it depending on how the generous the AI decides to be with its attack windows. If a Thing decides its just going to turtle for a while, not much you can do.

So currently, the list of champs I believe can narrowly one shot Thing are Void, SG, SH, and Aegon when awakened and built up the entire war. Short list. There's definitely more who can, but it shouldn't be this hard to come up with ideas. Having a fighting game's meta changed to favor a character who wins purely by existing no matter how well you perform is just bad design.

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mbuntu

Gwenpool makes sense I suppose. Wouldn't have thought he damage out put was high enough though, and her random bleeds could cause a problem calculating when and how to provoke a special to negate rock armor. As for Crossbones, I can definitely see it, but in high level play i can't imagine he's a popular choice to max out compared to other skill champs.

Aryl

Yet again... this happened to my alliance mate. It's absurd.

R5 Thing boss t4:

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mbuntu

Too bad my GP is only r3. Maybe someone in my alliance has her maxed though.

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Aryl

I take Thing bosses in my BG with Void. The thing I hate about AW bosses these days is that u have to boost up to have a reliable one shot otherwise u will time out.

With Thing, this is exacerbated. I have previously reasoned for increasing AW timers for many different reasons. But i guess we are stuck with the stubbornness of sticking with 3 minutes.

Yep. It's gotten to a point where a Thing on a boss node gets you an automatic kill.

/golfclap

Aryl

I take Thing bosses in my BG with Void. The thing I hate about AW bosses these days is that u have to boost up to have a reliable one shot otherwise u will time out.

With Thing, this is exacerbated. I have previously reasoned for increasing AW timers for many different reasons. But i guess we are stuck with the stubbornness of sticking with 3 minutes.

2:55

Which is another bone to pick.

RO53TT1

Yeah I've gotta say I've never fully understood the point of the timers in AQ/AW, specially during boss fights, other than kabam wanting to force us to use items. I mean the event has a daily timer so we wanna finish the fights as quick as possible to move on and finish the event in the alloted time so we don't need timers on fights it only serves one obvious agenda, IMO