Champion Spotlight - Mister Fantastic



About Mister Fantastic
Reed Richards is a brilliant scientist, who spearheaded an experimental voyage into space accompanied by his friends and family. An accident occurred during the trip, and the ship was flooded with cosmic rays. After crashing back to Earth, Reed found that he could stretch and elongate his body in impossible ways. He became the leader of the Fantastic Four, and uses both his powers of elasticity and his genius intellect to deftly handle all threats, galactic to microscopic.


Mister Fantastic's Mechanics:

    Mister Fantastic is one of the most versatile, utility-focused Champions in the game, with many abilities that benefit his entire team just by being on it. His main goal during fights is to stack up as many Debuffs on the Opponent as possible, since he has quite a few abilities that get stronger depending on the number of Debuffs. He also has two mechanics that are new to the Contest. He’s able to trigger Pre-Fight Debuffs on an Opponent then have a teammate fight that Opponent and take advantage of the Debuff,without Mister Fantastic having to participate in the fight himself. He is also the first Champion with Cross-Fight abilities, which are abilities that attach to their target for multiple fights, and apply their effects even if Mister Fantastic is knockedout or another teammate enters the fight instead.


BASE STATS & ABILITIES
* All stats based on 4-Star, Rank 5, Level 50, Signature Level 99
HEALTH: 15660
ATTACK: 1148
MAX PI:
WITHOUT SIGNATURE: 3883

WITH SIGNATURE (99): 4887
* All stats based on 5-Star, Rank 5, Level 65, Signature Level 200
HEALTH: 31398
ATTACK: 2301
MAX PI:
WITHOUT SIGNATURE: 7824

WITH SIGNATURE (200): 10630

Character Class: Science
Basic Abilities: Evade, Pre-Fight Ability, Cross-Fight Ability, Taunt, Stagger

STRENGTHS
  • Flexible Pre-Fight abilities
  • Mister Fantastic is the first Champion who can apply Pre-Fight abilities to an enemy, then let his teammates take advantage of them. Once he spends a Persistent Charge and applies a Pre-Fight Debuff to the Opponent, that Opponent will have the Debuff on them in their next fight even if the attacking Champion isn’t Mister Fantastic. This also works between Alliance Members.

  • Cross-Fight abilities
  • Mister Fantastic is the first Champion to have Cross-Fight abilities. When he applieshis Cross-Fight ability to his Opponent, that ability will stick with them for the next fights they participate in, even if those fights aren’t against Mister Fantastic.

  • Full team synergies
  • Similar to Captain America (Infinity War), Mister Fantastic has synergies that benefit his entire team, depending on their class. Once the synergy is active, it’ll apply to all members of your team whose Class matches the synergy. He also has a fantastic synergy with the other members of the Fantastic Four if you put them all on the same team.
WEAKNESSES
  • True Accuracy
  • Mister Fantastic has Evade, the chance for which increases for every non-Damaging Debuff currently active on both Mister Fantastic, and his Opponent. The chance for this Evade can get quite high relatively easily, but if his Opponent has True Accuracy they can bypass the Evade entirely.

  • Debuff Shrugging
  • Almost all of Mister Fantastic’s abilities are dependent on him building up Debuffs on the Opponent. He’ll struggle to do much of anything if his Opponent is shrugging off all of his Debuffs.

Abilities:
Passive:
  • Physical and Energy Resistance increased by +857.14.
  • 5% chance to Evade for each non-Damaging Debuff on either Champion. Does not trigger during a Well-Timed Block.
  • Attack Rating is increased by +57.4 for each Debuff on the Opponent.
Dev Note: Note that his Evade won’t trigger during a Well-Timed Block, but can trigger during regular blocks. The goal of this was to give Mister Fantastic a way to avoid the chip damage that comes through regular blocks, by letting him just Evade the attack instead.


Prepared for Anything -Pre-Fight Ability:
  • Before the fight, choose up to 3 unique Debuffs to place on the Opponent at the start of the next fight. Each Debuff costs 1 Persistent Charge.
  • Mister Fantastic starts with 2 Persistent Charge(s), and can have up to 5. When Mr. Fantastic finishes a fight, he gains 1Persistent Charge for each unique Debuff on the Opponent.

    Dev Note: Mister Fantastic’s Pre-Fight Debuffs all cost Persistent Charges, so if you regularly use them then let another Champion do the fighting, you’ll still need to take him into a fight to getcharges back.


  • These Debuffs each last 12 second(s), and are refreshed when the Opponent is knocked down.

    Dev Note: The Debuffs are triggered immediately at the start of the fight, and his allies have no way to get them back once those Debuffs expire, so they’ll have to regularly knock down the Opponent if they want to keep the Debuffs active.
  • The Debuffs are applied even if a different Champion enters the fight.
  • Debuff potency scales with the rarity of Mr. Fantastic. If different versions of a Debuff are applied, only the strongest one triggers.
Dev Note: This last point is a little strange. The potency of his Pre-Fight Debuffs increases alongside his rarity, so if you have multiple Mister Fantastics of different rarities on your team, you’re able to apply different versions of the Pre-Fight Debuffs to the same Opponent, but only the most potent one will trigger at the start of the fight.


Prepared for Anything -Pre-Fight Debuffs -Max: 3 Each:
  • Petrify the Opponent, reducing the effectiveness of their Regeneration and Power Gain effects by 30%.

    Dev Note: It’s really too bad for Doctor Doom that his Aura of Haazareth doesn’t trigger while he’s suffering from a Petrify...

  • Suppress the Opponent, decreasing their Defensive Power Rate by 19%.

    Dev Note: Suppression is a new Debuff that we’re debuting with Mister Fantastic. It’s very similar to Enervate, except instead of shutting off the Opponent’s Defensive Power Rate entirely, it decreases it by a percentage.

  • Debuff Siphon the Opponent, increasing the potency of Damage over Time Debuffs on them by 19%, and reducing the potency of those effects on allies by the same amount. This does not affect abilities that trigger at the start of the fight.

    Dev Note: Debuff Siphon is another new Debuff that Mister Fantastic has. It’s very effective against Opponents who easily apply Damaging Debuffs to the Opponent, like Morningstar or Abomination. It’s also great for increasing your teammates Damage over Time Debuffs, like Domino or Nick Fury. However, it doesn’t affect the Bleed or Poison from Double Edge and Liquid Courage, nor will it affect the Coldsnap from Iceman’s Signature Ability. And yes, all of these Debuffs work with Void.

Opponent Activates a Special Attack:
  • When the Opponent activates a Special Attack, place an indefinite Careful Study Debuff on them for that Special Attack.
  • A Careful Study Debuff lowers the Attack Rating of each Hit in the Special Attack by 25%.
  • If Mister Fantastic was struck by the last hit of the Special Attack, place 1 additional copy of the Debuff.
  • All copies of the Debuff are Purified when the Opponent activates a different Special Attack than the one that triggered the Debuff.
Dev Note: When fighting against Mister Fantastic, you have to be careful about the order in which you trigger Special Attacks. If you lose track and accidentally trigger the same Special Attack too many times in a row, that Special Attack will be weakened for the rest of the fight, and beyond. It’s possible to get 3 different Careful Study Passives onto the Opponent, one Passive for each of their Special Attacks.


Careful Study -Cross-Fight Ability:
  • When the Opponent has 3 copies of a Careful Study Debuff, they are combined into a Passive that lasts for the rest of the fight, and the next 5 fights the Opponent participates in.
  • Careful Study Passives count as 3 Debuffs for Reed’s other abilities.
  • Each Passive prevents future matching Careful Study Debuffs.
Dev Note: All right, here’s the first Cross-Fight ability in Contest of Champions. If a set of Careful Study Debuffs are converted into a Passive, that Passive will attach to that Champion for the next fights that Champion participates in. Even if Mister Fantastic loses the fight, the Passive will still be attached. This makes it even more important to track what Special Attacks are used, because you could end up Weakening your best attack Champion right before fighting the quest boss. Or if you’re playing as Mister Fantastic, you could trigger these on a Boss, lose the fight, then the boss will still be Weakened the next time it’s attacked, including by a different Alliance member.


Heavy Attacks:
  • On the last hit, pause Pre-Fight Debuffs for 3 second(s).
Dev Note: Heavy Attacks also refresh Pre-Fight Debuffs, because they knock the Opponent down. The pause will take effect after the Debuff is refreshed, so they’ll be paused at their full duration.


Special Attacks:
  • If no Pre-Fight Debuffs were selected, Special Attacks are Unblockable.
Dev Note: Remember, defending Champions can’t activate Pre-Fight Abilities, so all of Mister Fantastic’s Special Attacks will be Unblockable when he’s on defense.



SPECIAL ATTACKS
    Special Attack 1 - Aggressive Hypothesis:
    • When this Attack is activated, 100% chance to place a Taunt Debuff and Stagger Debuff on the Opponent, each for 9 second(s).
    • Opponents that are Taunted have their Attack Rating reduced by 40% and have a 70% higher chance to activate a Special Attack.
    • This Taunt is removed when the Opponent activates any Special Attack.
    • The next time a Staggered Opponent triggers a Buff, that Buff and all other Buffs triggered at the same time will be immediately Nullified.
    Dev Note: The goal for this ability was to give Mister Fantastic an easy way to Taunt the Opponent. When the Taunt is triggered at the right time, the Opponent will be more likely to throw the Special Attack that maintains their current Careful Study Debuffs.

    Special Attack 2 - Rigorous Experimentation:
    • When this Attack is activated, re-trigger Mister Fantastic's selected Pre-Fight Debuffs once each.
    • The last hit Shocks the Opponent, dealing 688.8 Energy Damage over 5 second(s).
    Dev Note: While his allies need to keep knocking down the Opponent to maintain Pre-Fight Debuffs, Mister Fantastic is able to easily re-trigger them using his SP2. Also, if the Pre-Fight Debuffs are already active when he uses it, he’ll simply put another copy of them onto the Opponent (to a maximum of 3 each). The Shock on this attack also works nicely with his Debuff Siphon Debuff.

    Special Attack 3 - Thinking with Portals:
    • If the Opponent has at least 1 Debuff, gain a Passive Fury for 20 second(s), increasing Attack Rating by 229.6 for each Debuff on the Opponent.
    Dev Note: Here’s the big payoff for building up all those Debuffs. If you’re able to get all 3 different Careful Study Passives on the Opponent, and stack up 3 of each Pre-Fight Debuff, and Stun the Opponent with Parry, you’ll have a total of 19 Debuffs on the Opponent multiplied into this Fury Passive.

    Signature Ability - The Smartest Man in the Battlerealm - All Attacks:
    • Mister Fantastic’s Offensive Power Rate is increased by 40% for each Careful Study Passive on the Opponent.
    • Mister Fantastic gains an additional flat 20% chance to Evade any Unblockable attack. This increases by 3% every time the Opponent starts an Unblockable hit, capped at 50% for basic attacks.
    Dev Note: Mister Fantastic’s Signature Ability is relatively cut and dry, especially in comparison to his other abilities. Mister Fantastic already wants to build Careful Study Passives on the Opponent. Increasing his Offensive Power Rate as he builds them will let him use his SP1 more frequently to increase the uptime on his Taunt, and it can even allow him to use his SP2 while the Fury from his SP3 is active. Increasing his Evade chance against Unblockable attacks is also very nice to have against certain Opponents. The chance increases occurs as soon as the Opponent starts the hit, so it’ll go up even if Mister Fantastic avoids the Unblockable hit.

    SYNERGY BONUSES
    H.E.R.B.I.E. - Unique -3 Star and up - With Thing, Human Torch, Invisible Woman
    • Other Synergy Members: If at or below 20% health at the start of the fight, heal 10% of Max Health over 6 second(s). Otherwise gain 60% of a Bar of Power over 6 second(s) instead.

    THE FANTASTIC FOUR- Unique - 4 Star and up - With Thing, Human Torch, Invisible Woman
    • If all other Champions in this Synergy are present:
    • Thing: Whenever you would gain a Rock Stack, gain an additional one.
    • Human Torch: Incinerate and Nova Flame duration increased by 30%.
    • Invisible Woman: Invisibility only has a 15% chance to unpause during a Well-Timed Block.
    • Mister Fantastic: For each unique Debuff on the Opponent, they take 4% of Mister Fantastic’s current Attack Rating as Direct Damage per second.
    Dev Note: When Mister Fantastic comes to the contest, the full suite of Fantastic Four synergies will finally be available. And remember that Thing, Human Torch, and Invisible Woman also have synergies that are enhanced when the full team is together.


    ... DO US PART-Unique -3 Star and up - With Invisible Woman
    • Mister Fantastic: Debuffs last 25% longer.

    COUNCIL OF REEDS - Unique - 3 Star and up - With Mister Fantastic
    • Mister Fantastic: Increase Attack Rating by 0%. The potency of this synergy is increased by a flat 30% for each other Mister Fantastic on your team.
    Dev Note: The wording of this synergy is a little strange. To use a specific example, if your team has 3 different versions of Mister Fantastic (of different rarities), they will all have their Attack Rating increased by 60%. If you only have one Mister Fantastic on your team, the Synergy will trigger, but the Attack Rating increase will be 0%.


    COLLEGE RIVALS - Unique - 3 Star and up - With Doctor Doom
    • Mister Fantastic: Gain 5% of his Max Power each time a Buff is Nullified or its Duration expires offthe Opponent.
    • Doctor Doom: Heavy Attacks apply up to 1 Armor Break Debuff for 10 second(s), reducing Armor Rating by 15%.
    Dev Note: Mister Fantastic might not be a Mystic Champion, but this synergy still gives him access to Mystic Dispersion.

    SHARED KNOWLEDGE - ASTRONOMY - Unique - 2 Star and up - With Groot, Angela, Masacre, Night Thrasher
    • Cosmic and Skill Champion's Basic Hits pause one of each Buff on them for 0.2 second(s).

    SHARED KNOWLEDGE - ROBOTICS - Unique - 2 Star and up - With Sentry, She-Hulk, Vulture, Doctor Octopus
    • Tech and Science Champion's Debuffs also apply an indefinite Power Sting, dealing Direct Damage equal to 60% of their Attack Rating when the Opponent activates a Special Attack. The Power Sting stacks up to 3 times.

    SHARED KNOWLEDGE - GENETICS - Unique - 2 Star and up - With Psylocke, Storm, Doctor Strange, Loki
    • Mutant and Mystic Champions regain 5% of the Power spent on any Special Attack, for each unique Special Attack they’ve used in the fight.
    Dev Note: These last three synergies are very similar to Captain America (Infinity War). As long as you have Mister Fantastic and one of the other synergy members on your team, these synergies will benefit every single Champion on your team (if they have the correct Class), not just the two who activated it.



    RECOMMENDED MASTERIES
    Despair
    • Mister Fantastic is able to easily stack up a lot of Debuffs on the Opponent, making it easy to stack up the Despair mastery and reduce the Opponent’s healing. His Careful Study Passives only count as Debuffs for his own abilities, so they won’t count for Despair, but his Pre-Fight Debuff will, meaning any ally who uses Despair can also benefit.

    Resonate
    • Mister Fantastic is able to significantly Weaken the Opponent’s Special Attacks using Careful Study. If you add the Weakness from Resonate on top of that, it’s possible to Weaken their Special Attacks even further, to the point where they deal barely any damage. The Weakness will also count for any of his abilities that care about how many Debuffs are on the Opponent.

    Comments

    • Maldroit2Maldroit2 Posts: 626 ★★★
      Joy. Fights where you get punished if you mess up once. This is not good game design.
    • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 1,337 ★★★
      Maldroit2 said:

      Joy. Fights where you get punished if you mess up once. This is not good game design.

      If you use the same special twice in a row? I forget what it's called, but there's already a node that does that, I don't feel like that's a problem.
    • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 1,337 ★★★
      I personally think you guys have actually done a great job with Mister Fantastic. I like some of the new abilities that you've brought to the game and I like the fact that he doesn't evade on well-timed blocks. I have to admit, when I was first fighting him and he evaded when he was blocking, I thought, "Are they really adding more evade characters to the game that evade on blocks? It messes up your parries, everyone hates it!" But it's nice to know you will still land your parries and even avoid block damage with a chance to counter-attack. I don't think he's up there with some of the amazing new characters added to the game recently, i.e Namor, Warlock, Guillotine (2099). But I don't think that all new characters should be that way. Some should just be solid champions. The pre-fight abilities look incredibly useful and he seems like he can do some stuff more reliably than other champions. I've heard some complaints about him being placed on defense in AW and not allowing your special attacks to be effective against fights afterwards, but I think you guys have evened it out nicely by allowing us to shrug them off by using a different special. I absolutely love the fact that he's another great synergy champ like Heimdall, Nick Fury and CAIW. Again, great job and thanks for this new champion!

      There is just one thing I hate though: The name of his signature ability. GIVE TONY STARK THE RESPECT HE DESERVES GOSH DARN IT!!!!!
    • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 863 ★★★
      Etjama said:



      There is just one thing I hate though: The name of his signature ability. GIVE TONY STARK THE RESPECT HE DESERVES GOSH DARN IT!!!!!

      Doom, Sinister, MODOK, and Doc Ock would also like a word.
    • WardenZeroWardenZero Posts: 707 ★★★

      Etjama said:



      There is just one thing I hate though: The name of his signature ability. GIVE TONY STARK THE RESPECT HE DESERVES GOSH DARN IT!!!!!

      Doom, Sinister, MODOK, and Doc Ock would also like a word.
      Peter Parker would like to know why everyone forgets that he’s actually smarter than Tony Stark.
    • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 1,337 ★★★

      Etjama said:



      There is just one thing I hate though: The name of his signature ability. GIVE TONY STARK THE RESPECT HE DESERVES GOSH DARN IT!!!!!

      Doom, Sinister, MODOK, and Doc Ock would also like a word.
      Peter Parker would like to know why everyone forgets that he’s actually smarter than Tony Stark.
      Smart? Yes, smarter than Tony Stark? Heck to the no.
    • WardenZeroWardenZero Posts: 707 ★★★
      edited November 19
      Etjama said:

      Etjama said:



      There is just one thing I hate though: The name of his signature ability. GIVE TONY STARK THE RESPECT HE DESERVES GOSH DARN IT!!!!!

      Doom, Sinister, MODOK, and Doc Ock would also like a word.
      Peter Parker would like to know why everyone forgets that he’s actually smarter than Tony Stark.
      Smart? Yes, smarter than Tony Stark? Heck to the no.
      Fair. But Bruce Banner wants recognition. That signature ability makes him mad. That is not good for anyone.
    • WardenZeroWardenZero Posts: 707 ★★★
      Etjama said:

      Etjama said:



      There is just one thing I hate though: The name of his signature ability. GIVE TONY STARK THE RESPECT HE DESERVES GOSH DARN IT!!!!!

      Doom, Sinister, MODOK, and Doc Ock would also like a word.
      Peter Parker would like to know why everyone forgets that he’s actually smarter than Tony Stark.
      Smart? Yes, smarter than Tony Stark? Heck to the no.
      To be fair, One More Day says that Peter is as smart as Tony. That’s One More Day though, so take it with a grain of salt.
    • Fred_JoeityFred_Joeity Posts: 905 ★★★
      There seems to be a trend of debuff dependancy
    • MagrailothosMagrailothos Posts: 2,212 ★★★★
      edited November 20

      There seems to be a trend of debuff dependancy

      And debuffs inflicted unavoidably without contact, at that. Clare Voyant, Aarkus, Guillotine 2099, Mr Fantastic.

      Plus, as you say, debuffs from Human Torch, Sunspot, Elsa Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Stealthy...

      Time to rank up those Skill champs with Shrug Off abilities!
    • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 2,972 ★★★★★
      Just to throw my head into the ring regarding the name of his sig:

      Scaling the intelligence of the smartest people in the marvel universe is kind of tricky.

      For example: Banner is said to have a vastly better understanding of all things gamma related than reed. Then again banner got outsmarted in that exact field by cho, who's like the 7th smartest person on earth?

      It's hard to solely rely on feats for this, because feats and actual intelligence don't nessecarily correspond all the time in the marvel universe.

      Tony stark is a genius, especially in the field of engineering. That's his shtick essentially. But there's really nothing to suggest that reed, doom, banner or even tchalla couldn't build an equally good or even better iron man suit. I mean, tchalla did actually build some pretty impressive suits himself, but I don't think many would put him up there with reed, doom, banner or stark.

      I think the safest thing to judge this on is actually statements. And at that statements by beings that should all things considered know who the smartest person is.

      And in that regard reed is handled as the smartest human and sometimes even the smartest being period, by entities like eternity for example.

      I'd say his sig is fine (until there's a crossover with dc and batman joins the contest *cough cough*).
    • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 1,337 ★★★

      Just to throw my head into the ring regarding the name of his sig:

      Scaling the intelligence of the smartest people in the marvel universe is kind of tricky.

      For example: Banner is said to have a vastly better understanding of all things gamma related than reed. Then again banner got outsmarted in that exact field by cho, who's like the 7th smartest person on earth?

      It's hard to solely rely on feats for this, because feats and actual intelligence don't nessecarily correspond all the time in the marvel universe.

      Tony stark is a genius, especially in the field of engineering. That's his shtick essentially. But there's really nothing to suggest that reed, doom, banner or even tchalla couldn't build an equally good or even better iron man suit. I mean, tchalla did actually build some pretty impressive suits himself, but I don't think many would put him up there with reed, doom, banner or stark.

      I think the safest thing to judge this on is actually statements. And at that statements by beings that should all things considered know who the smartest person is.

      And in that regard reed is handled as the smartest human and sometimes even the smartest being period, by entities like eternity for example.

      I'd say his sig is fine (until there's a crossover with dc and batman joins the contest *cough cough*).

      I'd have to say that the title of the smartest man in the Marvel Universe has to go to Herbert Edgar Wydham. He turned himself into a God that is literally as smart as possible, so.. yeah. If you wanna say that he technically is only smartest as a being and not a person, I'd give you that. In that case, I'd say it's Lunella Lafayette. But then again, I guess you could say that the title "Smartest man in the battlerealm could mean that it has to be a male character in the game currently. In that case, I'd say Iron Man, but I'm very biased. It could definitely be a toss-up between Doom, Richards and Stark imo.
    • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 2,972 ★★★★★
      Etjama said:

      Just to throw my head into the ring regarding the name of his sig:

      Scaling the intelligence of the smartest people in the marvel universe is kind of tricky.

      For example: Banner is said to have a vastly better understanding of all things gamma related than reed. Then again banner got outsmarted in that exact field by cho, who's like the 7th smartest person on earth?

      It's hard to solely rely on feats for this, because feats and actual intelligence don't nessecarily correspond all the time in the marvel universe.

      Tony stark is a genius, especially in the field of engineering. That's his shtick essentially. But there's really nothing to suggest that reed, doom, banner or even tchalla couldn't build an equally good or even better iron man suit. I mean, tchalla did actually build some pretty impressive suits himself, but I don't think many would put him up there with reed, doom, banner or stark.

      I think the safest thing to judge this on is actually statements. And at that statements by beings that should all things considered know who the smartest person is.

      And in that regard reed is handled as the smartest human and sometimes even the smartest being period, by entities like eternity for example.

      I'd say his sig is fine (until there's a crossover with dc and batman joins the contest *cough cough*).

      I'd have to say that the title of the smartest man in the Marvel Universe has to go to Herbert Edgar Wydham. He turned himself into a God that is literally as smart as possible, so.. yeah. If you wanna say that he technically is only smartest as a being and not a person, I'd give you that. In that case, I'd say it's Lunella Lafayette. But then again, I guess you could say that the title "Smartest man in the battlerealm could mean that it has to be a male character in the game currently. In that case, I'd say Iron Man, but I'm very biased. It could definitely be a toss-up between Doom, Richards and Stark imo.
      Yeah, because of that whole god thingy I chose to take high evolutionary out of the equation lol.

      Lunella I don't know enough about. She might definitely have the highest potential when it comes to intelligence, but has she comparable feats/statements? I think cho stated that she was the most intelligent person on earth, however that's "only" cho.

      If she isn't already, she certainly will be the most intelligent person/mortal being when she grows up.

      The thing about reed I can't let go, and I don't know if that's somewhat cheating in a way, so I wouldn't want to see this as an actual argument for him in this little debate, is that he essentially has multiversial intelligence in a way lol.
    • WardenZeroWardenZero Posts: 707 ★★★

      Etjama said:

      Just to throw my head into the ring regarding the name of his sig:

      Scaling the intelligence of the smartest people in the marvel universe is kind of tricky.

      For example: Banner is said to have a vastly better understanding of all things gamma related than reed. Then again banner got outsmarted in that exact field by cho, who's like the 7th smartest person on earth?

      It's hard to solely rely on feats for this, because feats and actual intelligence don't nessecarily correspond all the time in the marvel universe.

      Tony stark is a genius, especially in the field of engineering. That's his shtick essentially. But there's really nothing to suggest that reed, doom, banner or even tchalla couldn't build an equally good or even better iron man suit. I mean, tchalla did actually build some pretty impressive suits himself, but I don't think many would put him up there with reed, doom, banner or stark.

      I think the safest thing to judge this on is actually statements. And at that statements by beings that should all things considered know who the smartest person is.

      And in that regard reed is handled as the smartest human and sometimes even the smartest being period, by entities like eternity for example.

      I'd say his sig is fine (until there's a crossover with dc and batman joins the contest *cough cough*).

      I'd have to say that the title of the smartest man in the Marvel Universe has to go to Herbert Edgar Wydham. He turned himself into a God that is literally as smart as possible, so.. yeah. If you wanna say that he technically is only smartest as a being and not a person, I'd give you that. In that case, I'd say it's Lunella Lafayette. But then again, I guess you could say that the title "Smartest man in the battlerealm could mean that it has to be a male character in the game currently. In that case, I'd say Iron Man, but I'm very biased. It could definitely be a toss-up between Doom, Richards and Stark imo.
      Yeah, because of that whole god thingy I chose to take high evolutionary out of the equation lol.

      Lunella I don't know enough about. She might definitely have the highest potential when it comes to intelligence, but has she comparable feats/statements? I think cho stated that she was the most intelligent person on earth, however that's "only" cho.

      If she isn't already, she certainly will be the most intelligent person/mortal being when she grows up.

      The thing about reed I can't let go, and I don't know if that's somewhat cheating in a way, so I wouldn't want to see this as an actual argument for him in this little debate, is that he essentially has multiversial intelligence in a way lol.
      Does the no demigods argument take Michael Korvak out of the equation? He’s a human/supercomputer hybrid that was smart enough to drain off Galactus’s power and fool the most powerful psychics and beings in the universe, including Eternity himself.

      Warden out ~
    • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 2,972 ★★★★★

      Etjama said:

      Just to throw my head into the ring regarding the name of his sig:

      Scaling the intelligence of the smartest people in the marvel universe is kind of tricky.

      For example: Banner is said to have a vastly better understanding of all things gamma related than reed. Then again banner got outsmarted in that exact field by cho, who's like the 7th smartest person on earth?

      It's hard to solely rely on feats for this, because feats and actual intelligence don't nessecarily correspond all the time in the marvel universe.

      Tony stark is a genius, especially in the field of engineering. That's his shtick essentially. But there's really nothing to suggest that reed, doom, banner or even tchalla couldn't build an equally good or even better iron man suit. I mean, tchalla did actually build some pretty impressive suits himself, but I don't think many would put him up there with reed, doom, banner or stark.

      I think the safest thing to judge this on is actually statements. And at that statements by beings that should all things considered know who the smartest person is.

      And in that regard reed is handled as the smartest human and sometimes even the smartest being period, by entities like eternity for example.

      I'd say his sig is fine (until there's a crossover with dc and batman joins the contest *cough cough*).

      I'd have to say that the title of the smartest man in the Marvel Universe has to go to Herbert Edgar Wydham. He turned himself into a God that is literally as smart as possible, so.. yeah. If you wanna say that he technically is only smartest as a being and not a person, I'd give you that. In that case, I'd say it's Lunella Lafayette. But then again, I guess you could say that the title "Smartest man in the battlerealm could mean that it has to be a male character in the game currently. In that case, I'd say Iron Man, but I'm very biased. It could definitely be a toss-up between Doom, Richards and Stark imo.
      Yeah, because of that whole god thingy I chose to take high evolutionary out of the equation lol.

      Lunella I don't know enough about. She might definitely have the highest potential when it comes to intelligence, but has she comparable feats/statements? I think cho stated that she was the most intelligent person on earth, however that's "only" cho.

      If she isn't already, she certainly will be the most intelligent person/mortal being when she grows up.

      The thing about reed I can't let go, and I don't know if that's somewhat cheating in a way, so I wouldn't want to see this as an actual argument for him in this little debate, is that he essentially has multiversial intelligence in a way lol.
      Does the no demigods argument take Michael Korvak out of the equation? He’s a human/supercomputer hybrid that was smart enough to drain off Galactus’s power and fool the most powerful psychics and beings in the universe, including Eternity himself.

      Warden out ~
      The more I think about this the more loaded this whole issue got lol.

      First of, I'm extremely sorry for the sidetrack. I simply found this topic really interesting.

      Now second of, after refreshing a bit on reeds feats, his intellect in most occasions is closer to a plot device than something that is actually quantifiable. Depending on the story and the author I can absolutely see reed outsmarting the likes of korvac and if well written it wouldn't be far fetched.

      I think the biggest thing reed has in his favor is how established his intellect is in the overall narrative of marvel. I can absolutely see a character like moon girl somewhat "replacing" reed as the most intelligent person (on earth), because essentially that seems to be what she is designed to be.

      But "logically" speaking, reeds body altering abilities might actually make it extremely hard if not impossible for him to actually reach an absolute intellectual limit.

      I think overall the smartest entity in the universe will always be the one marvel deems to be the smartest entity. And in my opinion they're intentionally vague when it comes to stuff like this.

      By that I mean stuff like cho outsmarting banner in his field of expertise, or pym being declared scientist supreme of earth, while being told he's still not as smart as reed richards.

      Is reed smarter than rick sanchez, though?
    • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 1,337 ★★★
      Yeah, I get what all of you mean. Really, it just comes down to what the writers want to do in the end. We'll never really know who the "smartest" is. As far as Korvak goes, I'd say he counts more as a being, not a man. And as for most powerful being, there's only one possible answer, The One Above All.
    • RoninManRoninMan Posts: 482 ★★★
      He does not seem fun at all to play. He takes an eternity to win a fight and there’s no real reason to use him IMO. I’m absolutely sure I’m missing something valuable in his abilities but he seems like a huge dud to me from just some basic testing.
    • sardinisardini Posts: 3
      are they adding galactus
    • jonzerjonzer Posts: 34
      Hey Kabaam! great job on the mechanics for him, even tho I don't have him, he looks like an incredibly fun champ
    • donaldmousedonaldmouse Posts: 4
      looks like a pretty sick champ
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