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What is a passive stun?!?

joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
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How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    he should not, that is a bug that they will hopefully fix. A passive stun is one that can get around debuff immunities, but not stun immunities.
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
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    joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    edited November 2019
    joke1004 said:

    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?

    because up until the introduction of wasp, stuns have always been in the form of active debuffs. Wasp is the first time a "passive stun" had been introduced so now they have to make that distinction clear.
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
    doom stuns stun immined champions here he is doing it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ec9SMeDUQ
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    joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
    Interesting. I didn’t see a difference before...
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    joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
    This is all just ridiculous sorry ...
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    Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Posts: 13,764 ★★★★★
    A passive stun is a stun ability/effect.
    A stun debuff is a stun ability/effect.

    Stun debuff are active abilities (therefore not passive) and will interact as debuffs during the fights, against certain nodes or champions abilities.
    Pasive stun is not a debuff, due to being passive and not active. It will also interact as a passive ability on fights and against nodes and abilities.

    Both of them are stun abilities, therefore neither are applied if the opponent is stun immune
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    joke1004 said:

    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?

    debuff imminities include stun DEBUFFs, but not stun passsives. Stun immunity includes stun debuffs and stun passives.

    There are 3 types of abilities, and the names of them are very confusing. There are debuffs, passives and then another classification that does not count in either containing most of the degens

    Passives were made to get around debuffs, but if you are completely immune then it should work at all. For instance Vision who is bleed immune should not take bleed passive damage, because he is completely immune to bleeding.
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    joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
    So we’re constantly changing the rules....
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
    doom stuns stun immined champions here he is doing it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ec9SMeDUQ
    Alright, then looks like kabam have to change dr doom accordingly too. FYI, in the video you should have clicked the node descriptions so that those in the forums can see clearly the nodes active.
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    joke1004 said:

    This is all just ridiculous sorry ...

    Its not ridiculous, they told us when she was released there was a bug and it would be fixed, it just took them awhile to do it.
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    issamaf80issamaf80 Posts: 1,472 ★★★
    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?

    because up until the introduction of wasp, stuns have always been in the form of active debuffs. Wasp is the first time a "passive stun" had been introduced so now they have to make that distinction clear.
    not really wasp is not the first Loki is
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    joke1004 said:

    So we’re constantly changing the rules....

    The rules have not changed, it was a bug, they are bringing her back in line with the rules.
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    joke1004 said:

    So we’re constantly changing the rules....

    Its not really a rule change, more of an update.
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    joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
    So why is Doom not on the known issues list?
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Championcritic said:

    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
    doom stuns stun immined champions here he is doing it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ec9SMeDUQ
    Alright, then looks like kabam have to change dr doom accordingly too. FYI, in the video you should have clicked the node descriptions so that those in the forums can see clearly the nodes active.
    yea I should have, but getting a clean intercept type attack on a road to lab mob with a 3*r1 is not the easiest for me hehe.
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    edited November 2019
    joke1004 said:

    So why is Doom not on the known issues list?

    I guess they'll have to add dr doom to the list now haha. Hopefully @kabam anyone sees this thread and responds to it.
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
    doom stuns stun immined champions here he is doing it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ec9SMeDUQ
    Alright, then looks like kabam have to change dr doom accordingly too. FYI, in the video you should have clicked the node descriptions so that those in the forums can see clearly the nodes active.
    yea I should have, but getting a clean intercept type attack on a road to lab mob with a 3*r1 is not the easiest for me hehe.
    Not that, i meant before entering the battle, you click the yellow node icon to display the list of nodes active haha.
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    issamaf80 said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?

    because up until the introduction of wasp, stuns have always been in the form of active debuffs. Wasp is the first time a "passive stun" had been introduced so now they have to make that distinction clear.
    not really wasp is not the first Loki is
    pretty sure loki is a stun debuff champ, but could be wrong.
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    joke1004joke1004 Posts: 258 ★★★
    It’s passive for Loki
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Championcritic said:

    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
    doom stuns stun immined champions here he is doing it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ec9SMeDUQ
    Alright, then looks like kabam have to change dr doom accordingly too. FYI, in the video you should have clicked the node descriptions so that those in the forums can see clearly the nodes active.
    new one for clarity

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkIFwPLvJnY
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    GamerGamer Posts: 10,187 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    issamaf80 said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?

    because up until the introduction of wasp, stuns have always been in the form of active debuffs. Wasp is the first time a "passive stun" had been introduced so now they have to make that distinction clear.
    not really wasp is not the first Loki is
    pretty sure loki is a stun debuff champ, but could be wrong.
    He stun Hav changes to a passive alest what of ikow of
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Championcritic said:

    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    Lormif said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    How is it possible that Doom should stun stun immunes with his passive stun, but wasp should not? Are you kidding me?!?

    Are you sure you weren't fighting "debuff immune" instead of "stun immune"? Cause dr doom and wasp's passive stun should still happen as intended against debuff immune as they are passive stuns.
    doom stuns stun immined champions here he is doing it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ec9SMeDUQ
    Alright, then looks like kabam have to change dr doom accordingly too. FYI, in the video you should have clicked the node descriptions so that those in the forums can see clearly the nodes active.
    yea I should have, but getting a clean intercept type attack on a road to lab mob with a 3*r1 is not the easiest for me hehe.
    Not that, i meant before entering the battle, you click the yellow node icon to display the list of nodes active haha.
    no I realize, what I meant is I took a couple videos and forgot to click on that one.
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    Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Posts: 13,764 ★★★★★
    I'm more curious to see if their interaction against astral evade will be fixed as well. For all champions that apply passive stun of course
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Gamer said:

    Lormif said:

    issamaf80 said:

    Championcritic said:

    joke1004 said:

    Now how in the world is debuff immunity not including stun immunity?

    because up until the introduction of wasp, stuns have always been in the form of active debuffs. Wasp is the first time a "passive stun" had been introduced so now they have to make that distinction clear.
    not really wasp is not the first Loki is
    pretty sure loki is a stun debuff champ, but could be wrong.
    He stun Hav changes to a passive alest what of ikow of
    yall are correct, I was mostly going off what kabam said back in 2018 when they said she was the first with it.
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    ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    will-o-wisp said:

    I'm more curious to see if their interaction against astral evade will be fixed as well. For all champions that apply passive stun of course

    Does it matter to mordo whether the stun is a passive or debuff? Wouldn't he astral evade regardless?
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    Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Posts: 13,764 ★★★★★
    Championcritic said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    I'm more curious to see if their interaction against astral evade will be fixed as well. For all champions that apply passive stun of course

    Does it matter to mordo whether the stun is a passive or debuff? Wouldn't he astral evade regardless?
    According to his info, any stun effect should trigger astral evade. But currently passive stuns are bypassing it, that's what I'm curious to see if it will get fixed
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    Thi101Thi101 Posts: 808 ★★★
    will-o-wisp said:

    Championcritic said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    I'm more curious to see if their interaction against astral evade will be fixed as well. For all champions that apply passive stun of course

    Does it matter to mordo whether the stun is a passive or debuff? Wouldn't he astral evade regardless?
    According to his info, any stun effect should trigger astral evade. But currently passive stuns are bypassing it, that's what I'm curious to see if it will get fixed
    Are they? I’m pretty sure everytime I faced a Mordo with my Wasp her passive stun triggered his Astral Evade normally.
    And also, everytime I faced a Stun immune champ her stun wouldn’t work naturally

    I’m so confused with this. Was she really bypassing those things? How the he’ll didn’t I notice?
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