Colossus vs Magneto

How is it that the new improved Colossus can best Magneto? Not saying that it shouldn’t be possible but the new mechanics don’t give Magneto NO real advantage over Colossus. Only Techs can armor break... why not Magneto? And even worse for Magneto, Colossus under effects against his ability accuracy now gives Colossus increased power gain. So how is the Master of Magnetism has no real sway over a guy made of metal? Magneto’s Magnetism should be way more effective rather than a boost to Colossus’ abilities. Please apply it somehow as a Negative to Colossus.

Now I’m gonna transition to another point from Magneto. Along with staying true to comic book content like Cyclops and Havok unable to use their power against each other, it was brilliant that those wearing helmets that protect themselves from mental powers such as Magneto are not effected by White Queen’s Telepath reverse control special attacks. But how are Robots still effected? Some forum and folks brought this up a year ago. Nothings been done. I’m bringing it back.

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Eb0ny-O-M4w

The colossus re-work affected every champion that would fight against him. Magneto is not different from the other's.

As for the "easter-eggs", they aren't real abilities and are subjective to changes, in order to become one.

TheWebmaster

The colossus re-work affected every champion that would fight against him. Magneto is not different from the other's.

As for the "easter-eggs", they aren't real abilities and are subjective to changes, in order to become one.

Don’t understand how Magneto isn’t different when he projects Magnetism. The developers can update Colossus’ abilities to succumb better to Magnetism such as allowing him to Armor Break. Magneto doesn’t seem to have true advantages over Colossus. It appears Mags is only be increasing Colossus’ power gain, and why?

And what does your term “Easter-eggs” refer to? And “subjective to change”? Are you a developer saying that things like Magnetism with Colossus will improve as well as Robots inflicted by psychic abilities?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

What I meant to say is that almost every champion, if not every one, will perform worse against Colossus now that he was changed. And Magneto isn't different, he now is unable to armor break him and will increase his power gain rate. Still will be able to affect his ability accuracy.

As for the easter-eggs, or "hidden abilities", is more of a personal opinion here. Those are not abilities, not stated or written anywhere in the champion abilities description. In order for those to become real abilities and "work as intended", they would need to be stated there. Otherwise is something unreliable that can change anytime soon.
You mentioned Emma and her ability to reverse controls. She can do that after launching her special attacks, and will affect every champion. Some champion will be unnafected due to an immunity, like Mister Sinisterfor example. Robots will be affected since nothing stated they shouldn't. And Juggernaut and Magneto should also be affected as well, unless the team decides to add them abilities in order to not be, or change Emma's ability to not affect them

TheWebmaster

I understand the mechanics... I’m suggesting the developers FIX what doesn’t make logical sense.

The Easter-Eggs for the helmets not to be effected by telepathic attacks and Summer brothers immunity make great comic book logic.

But if the helmets prevent telepathic abilities, then robots with no brainwaves should also be not effected. Simple logic. And Magneto should have some viable affect over Colossus because only thing visible is Magnetism gives Colossus power gain... like WTF why? Me waiting to see a Parry fail or Colossus not gain an Armor up because Mags special triggered bleed isn’t really making me feel or see Magnetism is doing great vs Colossus who’s made of metal. The power gain should be removed and Magnetism should allow Mags a pass to armor break like Tech champs. My suggestion for the purpose of this forum.

SpawnSupreme

I agree that Magneto should have the advantage fighting Colossus, but I think it should come with a full Magneto rework. Maybe if Kabam decides to finally improve Magneto as a lot of people is asking, they redo Colossus so he's not armor break immune against Magnetism, or Magnetism is remade so Magneto ignores Colossus immunity and decreases his power gain

Eb0ny-O-M4w

It's fiction. Logic isn't applied here in such a simple way.

Besides, Emma's ability in the game point of view, it simply is reversing controls after launching a special attack. Nothing to do with her affecting the mind of someone, and thats why robots and other beings with no mind should be affected by it, unless stated otherwise. That is logical, in this point of view.

Adding elements from outside sources will just make it harder to understand and accept something. Yes it's a marvel game with character's from the Marvel Universe, but it's a game that only takes inspiration on that when creating and designing characters, and doesnt adapt their full powers and abilities the same way. You can even say that they aren't the same characters, despite having the same name and a similar look.

TheWebmaster

Well they should change it to be more logical.

TheWebmaster

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Is IS logical. In a game and fictional world perspective

TheWebmaster

So what is your suggestion to make Magneto appear better than Colossus as it would be in the comics?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Not going for the comic route, but I agree that Magneto is in need to get a buff, or a re-work. Not necessarily making his abilities counter Colossus or make him better than him. Magneto can still have this disadvantage against Colossus, it doesn't matter. Just have more and better abilities is enough to make him better than what he currently is

TheWebmaster

Thanks. The basis of my thread... Magneto should not be the underdog compared to Colossus and the developers need to fix it. As I stated in the very beginning Colossus should have more of a disadvantage compared to Mags rather than be accelerating his power gain. I’m just pointing out the logic.

TheWebmaster

And while I got you in an agreeable mood, the developers can update White Queen’s signature with the same stipulations Cable has against robots when she’s in her Telepath form:

These are my suggestions to make characters more relatable especially if Easter Eggs such as psychic resistance helmets are applied to the game play.

Magrailothos

And while I got you in an agreeable mood, the developers can update White Queen’s signature with the same stipulations Cable has against robots when she’s in her Telepath form.

The developers considered this at the time (go through her spotlight thread if you want to find it) and very deliberately decided against it.

1 - Robots already have class advantage; and many, if not most of them can armour break. Emma is already at a major disadvantage against them - does she need more?

1A - If anyone else was going to get immunity to Emma's reverse controls, I'd argue that it should be Psylocke and Phoenix.

2 - Who says telepathy can't affect robots anyway? I agree that in the main marvel universe, robotic brains are sufficiently 'different' that telepaths don't usually work; but the MCOC universe is different. Maybe here, the robotic brains are sufficiently similar to Human brains that telepaths can scramble them?

By way of supporting this counter-argument, in some fictional universes (like those created by Isaac Asimov), telepathy is an ability mainly possessed by robots, allowing them to influence human thoughts and emotions.

Oh yeah - and getting back to the original topic, yes, Magneto should definitely be able to wreck Colossus.

TheWebmaster

1A - If anyone else was going to get immunity to Emma's reverse controls, I'd argue that it should be Psylocke and Phoenix.

2 - Who says telepathy can't affect robots anyway? I agree that in the main marvel universe, robotic brains are sufficiently 'different' that telepaths don't usually work; but the MCOC universe is different. Maybe here, the robotic brains are sufficiently similar to Human brains that telepaths can scramble them?

By way of supporting this counter-argument, in some fictional universes (like those created by Isaac Asimov), telepathy is an ability mainly possessed by robots, allowing them to influence human thoughts and emotions.

I like your logic. And thanks for quote and premise that robots can be affected by telepathic abilities. So I’ll let the Emma confusion ability drop. Makes since. I wasn’t trying to give Robots more of an advantage but appear relatable due to the psychic resistance helmets both Mags and Juggs wear from the comics. Also note Phoenix and Psylocke are not resistant to psychic abilities hence Mastermind’s influence on Jean and battles in the Astral Plain.

Yes: The Developers need to update Magnetism to have better affects over Colossus especially if it’s now power gaining him. If this was Acolyte Colossus Where Colossus worked for Mags or Phoenix 5 Colossus, I could see this apply. But simple Colossus is a boss fight vs Mags. Ridiculous. Magnetism needs improvement thanks to this new Colossus.