Ebony Maw Rebalance Information

edited January 23 in Champion Spotlights
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Summary:

Ebony Maw was designed to be a Defensive Champion, built to excel in Alliance War Defense and specifically counter some of the most dominant Attacking Champions in this mode. On Offense, Ebony Maw was supposed to focus on needing to ramp up over multiple fights to be more useful. We will be making a number of changes to give him more use in Attack, and make him a more fearsome Defender that forces opponents to respect the rules of fighting Ebony Maw.

Conclusion:

Defense:
  • Ebony Maw uses a building resource called “persuasion” to trigger “Falter” effects which cause the Opponent to Miss their Attacks if they don’t play around the “persuasion” mechanic.
  • However, even with this mechanic in play, most players disregard his mechanics and power their way through Ebony Maw encounters. Below is a graph showing his overall performance on Alliance War defense across all active Defense Tactics.


Offense:
  • Ebony Maw sees extremely low usage in every “Attacker” focused scenario aside from a few very specific matchups.
  • Even though he’s built as a Defensive champion, no champion should fall below our baseline and be “practically useless”. To put this into perspective, Ebony Maw’s damage is so low that he’s currently out-damaged by many 3* Champions.
  • Below you will see his numbers in comparison to other Champions that we believe are also eventually in need of an update to their ability to deal damage. These include Abomination, Agent Venom, Cyclops, Daredevil, Karnak, Hulkbuster, Howard the Duck, Groot, Dormammu, and Drax.

Objective of Changes:

Ebony Maw’s performance on both Attack and Defense do not fulfil the minimum baseline requirements for a “well balanced” Champion and ranks worse in many ways in comparison to Champions on the roadmap to be buffed. Maw needs to be brought up to fit in line within our baseline.

Changes:

Persistent Charge:
  • Change Persistent Charge (PV) mechanic to stack up to 20 from 6
  • PV charges gained from completing all missions increased to 5 from 1
Ramping Value:
  • Persuasion timer reduced to 0.5 from 0.7
  • Potency of Black Tongue up to 40% from 30%
  • Deterioration Passive timer decreased to 2 seconds from 6
Damage Output:
  • Degeneration effect changed to modified attack from base attack
  • Degeneration damage increased to 0.3 attack from 0.2 attack
  • Signature Ability
  • Changed to a % increase rather than a flat amount to increase overall damage potential.
These changes are not intended to push Ebony Maw to the top of our DPS Charts, but rather give him some offensive usage and increase his damage to a baseline level. This will also enhance his defensive viability and hopefully encourage players to “respect the Maw” on defense, since his Falter mechanic will come into play much more frequently if they don’t follow his rules.

Additionally with the boost to damage, Ebony Maw will be much more dangerous on attack-enhancing nodes across all modes.

These changes will allow Ebony Maw to ramp up throughout a quest much quicker, and have him deal a lot more damage in the fights he is suited for. Additionally we expect to see his win rates rise to a respectable level in Alliance War Defense, and other modes where players encounter him.
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Comments

  • BuckeyeKPBuckeyeKP Posts: 690
    I would disagree that people play around him. Think we've just learned his mechanics and he doesn't have high attack or health so goes down easy. Plus no one is taking him r5 as a defender... feel this will just really shorten the time to attack him and get off multi-hit specials
  • JadedJaded Posts: 2,058 ★★★★
    This is one change seems more in-depth than the others. It’ll take some testing to see how viable he is now. @Kabam Miike have you tested the new changes to maw? How does he measure up vs other mystic champions?
  • PanbohPanboh Posts: 26
    Will these changes leave PI intact?
  • mrTequilasmrTequilas Posts: 23
    i hope his damage is worth ranking up, why not build him as an attacker as the rest of the black order though??
  • TP33TP33 Posts: 1,081 ★★★
    This is GREAT news, 20 persistent charges will be mental, love to see this buff. I love Maw as a character and have always said that he doesn’t lack utility, just damage. This is the best buff you could of possibly given him. Thank you guys so much
  • starfjordstarfjord Posts: 5
    I really don't see enough of an offensive improvement to get him off the bench. It simply improves his degen damage which really is only significant if he is awakened.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Posts: 7,654 ★★★★★
    Did you guys make sure he’s nit bs in content like 6.3 with 10k+ attacks with degen scaling from modified attack?
  • ShrikeTzuShrikeTzu Posts: 30
    edited January 23
    I have an Unduped 6* Maw, I am still hopeing not to dupe him, but there has been twice where I have used him to great effectiveness. (he does get a kill in war every once in a while, but I am only talking offense here... if he isn't fun to play as I think its a bad thing.)

    Once was against corvus in Varient 4.1.1 Works great. The second was when in the off season someone put Corvus as a war boss... worked great for that also. He had some minor effectiveness on electro, as most of his hits aren't physical, he can sort of fight Korg... but if they are at all stacked get ready to play perfectly for 10 min plus to do a fight someone else can finish in 30 hits. Or if it is possible to time out, hope you like timeing out.

    Considering that we may be talking years before a statistical likely hood of dupeing this champ as a 6 star... I am curious to see if he will ever get to fight anyone except Corvus? He does SO much less damage than any of the other random 6 stars I have gotten.

    Unduped I think he is probably still going to be one of the worst 6 stars currently available to play as. But maybe the Degen will be more meaningful than it appears from these numbers. I am not convinced that even if I am unlucky enough to dupe him... that my experience will change much.
  • PseudouberPseudouber Posts: 352 ★★
    Sounds pretty awesome. In these re balances I keep reading about champs preforming below baseline. Im just wondering where Korg stands? I think he needs a re balance so that he is better on offence. right?
  • Duke_SilverDuke_Silver Posts: 2,166 ★★★★
    I’ve got him as a 6* so I’m hoping this rebalance is gonna do some good.
  • Mathking13Mathking13 Posts: 877 ★★★
    RogerRabs said:

    Ebony Maw was tested in a large variety of content to ensure he isn't BS, his degeneration effects are completely unavoidable by playing around his mechanics. Additionally the degeneration can be prevented/countered entirely by bringing the right champion to face him.

    The goal of this balance change was not to make him the new "best mystic in the game", it was to raise the floor on his baseline damage to be more reasonable. The intention is that he can now participate in fights where his utility is valuable such as needing the steal a Power Gain Buff or land non-contact attacks. Ebony Maw won't close out fights faster than top damaging champions but with his mechanics he can take little to no damage while fighting and reduce and control the opponent's power.

    Many thousands of summoners took their Ebony Maw to Rank 5 even before this change as you can see by the data above, and after this change we expect to see this number continue to climb even higher!

    These changed should have no effect on Ebony Maw's PI.


    Hope this clears up some of the questions posed here!

    Basing his Degen off modified attack instead of base seems like a fun & interactive change. He's still lacking compared to other Mystics. The situations you named are so incredibly niche that he probably isn't worth bringing. And People always take new champs to R5 for high level AWD.

    This seems like it's going to be more harmful than helpful
    I think the point was more that people were definitely overcoming Maw, but not in the fashion that Kabam wanted. From my understanding, Kabam seems to have wanted it to be that players have to play around the frustrating parts of his kit instead of just powering through it.
  • MehtamanishMehtamanish Posts: 6
    Wow ...I will r5 him ...Sounds good now
  • WNS1980WNS1980 Posts: 13

    So just curious... will Maw deal degeneration ticks in the thousands or even ten thousands once fully ramped up with his deteriorations? Still wont find much use for him unless his damage is solid
    I was thinking that Maw will end up doing some serious degen damage with his first Degen on fight 3 after those persistent charges if my understanding is correct.
    I am assuming the persistent charge will work by carrying over all 20 every fight after you complete the missions in fight 1 and 2... meaning he should be hitting around 40K Degen for the first degen of every fight after fight 2??

    Is anyone else able to confirm or provide clarification on this?
  • Troy_Elric123Troy_Elric123 Posts: 301 ★★
    Yo, where in the given graph is the above mentioned champs like daredevil, agent venom to compare? Does he deal more damage ? Does he do same as them (and you ve already mentioned their damage needs to go up soo)
  • WNS1980WNS1980 Posts: 13
    @UnleashingChaos Looks to me like the descriptions on Auntm.ai are as current stats, and not updated yet.

    The champion spotlight is normally based on 4* r5 right:


    5* r5:


    Current Missions Description (which is definitely not the new info from the "balance":

  • DJMNHDJMNH Posts: 258
    ShrikeTzu said:

    I have an Unduped 6* Maw, I am still hopeing not to dupe him, but there has been twice where I have used him to great effectiveness. (he does get a kill in war every once in a while, but I am only talking offense here... if he isn't fun to play as I think its a bad thing.)

    Once was against corvus in Varient 4.1.1 Works great. The second was when in the off season someone put Corvus as a war boss... worked great for that also. He had some minor effectiveness on electro, as most of his hits aren't physical, he can sort of fight Korg... but if they are at all stacked get ready to play perfectly for 10 min plus to do a fight someone else can finish in 30 hits. Or if it is possible to time out, hope you like timeing out.

    Considering that we may be talking years before a statistical likely hood of dupeing this champ as a 6 star... I am curious to see if he will ever get to fight anyone except Corvus? He does SO much less damage than any of the other random 6 stars I have gotten.

    Unduped I think he is probably still going to be one of the worst 6 stars currently available to play as. But maybe the Degen will be more meaningful than it appears from these numbers. I am not convinced that even if I am unlucky enough to dupe him... that my experience will change much.

    Honestly brother I got one Mystic Awakening Gem, but looking at the current set of below average rebalance for Ebony, do you think I should use it on Ebony ?? I think NO, what is your take ?
  • WNS1980WNS1980 Posts: 13
    DJMNH said:

    ShrikeTzu said:

    Honestly brother I got one Mystic Awakening Gem, but looking at the current set of below average rebalance for Ebony, do you think I should use it on Ebony ?? I think NO, what is your take ?
    I'd wait and see how he plays - the youtubers will review him again and you'll be able to see whether he'll be worth it.
  • BboychoboBboychobo Posts: 198
    I have a 6 star rank 2 Ebony .. i love his design and i pray to god his buff is really good so i can use him anywhere apart from war defense !!!! BRING IT ON
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