Cull Obsidian Rebalance Information

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  • Tanz0rTanz0r Posts: 32
    @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit I went for Cull 2 times in arena and got him both times then proceeded to rank up to max level and use signature stones to max as well. If i sell Cull will I still get the dupe back?
  • Indrick781Indrick781 Posts: 358 ★★★

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 8,823 ★★★★★

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
  • Smashing123Smashing123 Posts: 36

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
    But with knowing this "rebalance" you wouldn't have put the 199 Sig and you would've awakened him from said crystal.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 8,823 ★★★★★

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
    But with knowing this "rebalance" you wouldn't have put the 199 Sig and you would've awakened him from said crystal.
    I did. His changes aren't going to change him that much. I've put in 186 sig stones so far. Many people got him, awakened him and maxed him right away before any of this was announced. If any one else decided to add Sig stones after the announcement initially, that's on them. You'll still get them back. Again, how would they give you Sig stones past 200 when the game doesnt even do it. That logic makes no sense.
  • Smashing123Smashing123 Posts: 36

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
    But with knowing this "rebalance" you wouldn't have put the 199 Sig and you would've awakened him from said crystal.
    I did. His changes aren't going to change him that much. I've put in 186 sig stones so far. Many people got him, awakened him and maxed him right away before any of this was announced. If any one else decided to add Sig stones after the announcement initially, that's on them. You'll still get them back. Again, how would they give you Sig stones past 200 when the game doesnt even do it. That logic makes no sense.
    The difference here is using an awakening, it's not a natural dupe. We used a ressources for what we expected. We still duped the champ naturally afterwards but if they would've been upfront when "selling/hyping" the champ would've been different
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 8,823 ★★★★★

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
    But with knowing this "rebalance" you wouldn't have put the 199 Sig and you would've awakened him from said crystal.
    I did. His changes aren't going to change him that much. I've put in 186 sig stones so far. Many people got him, awakened him and maxed him right away before any of this was announced. If any one else decided to add Sig stones after the announcement initially, that's on them. You'll still get them back. Again, how would they give you Sig stones past 200 when the game doesnt even do it. That logic makes no sense.
    The difference here is using an awakening, it's not a natural dupe. We used a ressources for what we expected. We still duped the champ naturally afterwards but if they would've been upfront when "selling/hyping" the champ would've been different
    Makes zero difference. You get back the Awakening Gem and 199 Sig stones. Is it really hard to understand? It really cant be any clearer.
  • Smashing123Smashing123 Posts: 36

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
    But with knowing this "rebalance" you wouldn't have put the 199 Sig and you would've awakened him from said crystal.
    I did. His changes aren't going to change him that much. I've put in 186 sig stones so far. Many people got him, awakened him and maxed him right away before any of this was announced. If any one else decided to add Sig stones after the announcement initially, that's on them. You'll still get them back. Again, how would they give you Sig stones past 200 when the game doesnt even do it. That logic makes no sense.
    The difference here is using an awakening, it's not a natural dupe. We used a ressources for what we expected. We still duped the champ naturally afterwards but if they would've been upfront when "selling/hyping" the champ would've been different
    Makes zero difference. You get back the Awakening Gem and 199 Sig stones. Is it really hard to understand? It really cant be any clearer.
    If someone awakens him and dupes him right after, he will get him back duped and the awakening, same should go if you dupe him after max Sig. There was 10k shards spent to get that crystal. They can take back the 275 6star shards from that max Sig. Again if they didn't false advertise him at start most wouldn't have maxed Sig him
  • j_money1j_money1 Posts: 20
    edited January 24
    Nvm I see now
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 8,823 ★★★★★
    edited January 24

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    Miike also said you won't get more than 200 Sig back if you naturally duped him. If you used a AG, you'll get 199 digs and the AG. You don't get Sig levels past 200, you only get shards and ISO so why would expect more sig stones? What Zibit and Miike said make perfect sense.
    But with knowing this "rebalance" you wouldn't have put the 199 Sig and you would've awakened him from said crystal.
    I did. His changes aren't going to change him that much. I've put in 186 sig stones so far. Many people got him, awakened him and maxed him right away before any of this was announced. If any one else decided to add Sig stones after the announcement initially, that's on them. You'll still get them back. Again, how would they give you Sig stones past 200 when the game doesnt even do it. That logic makes no sense.
    The difference here is using an awakening, it's not a natural dupe. We used a ressources for what we expected. We still duped the champ naturally afterwards but if they would've been upfront when "selling/hyping" the champ would've been different
    Makes zero difference. You get back the Awakening Gem and 199 Sig stones. Is it really hard to understand? It really cant be any clearer.
    If someone awakens him and dupes him right after, he will get him back duped and the awakening, same should go if you dupe him after max Sig. There was 10k shards spent to get that crystal. They can take back the 275 6star shards from that max Sig. Again if they didn't false advertise him at start most wouldn't have maxed Sig him
    🤦

    There wasnt any false advertising. He worked as intended. Better than intended in fact. But I'm done trying to explain to you. You clearly dont understand.
  • slackerslacker Posts: 130
    We'll have to see the real number of damage then, Overrall i still not gonna sell him cause he only champ in my roster that can bypass autoblock/evade at the same time .Still wish you could change that horrible block proficiency
  • FabwiziFabwizi Posts: 326 ★★
    edited January 24
    Dear Kabam people suppose you bought a Ferrari and then in 6 months ferrari came and showed you graps why your car is better then others and changed you engine ,would you be ok with it you are doing the same thing.
    And Offcourse they will say if you want we will take the car but no refunds and we will separate the enginge,wheels and give it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★

    @Kabam Miike I awakened my cull with gem then max Sig him with stones and after he was maxed I got him from a crystal, if I sell him will I get him back duped Sig 20 plus awakening gem, Sig stones used (199) and the ressources to rank up used?

    If you got Cull Obsidian, used an awakening Gem, then maxed out his signature ability using only sig stones, then got a dupe of him afterward (receiving a max signature crystal from that), you'll get back your Cull, along with your awakening gem, and the correct amount of Sig stones used, but no additional Dupes.
    This goes directly against what was said in the original post.

    From Kabam Miike in the first post with the links to all these threads:

    "*If you received a Champion multiple times from Crystals/Arena, the Champion will be returned awakened, and with the appropriate number of Signature Levels." It shouldn't matter if I pulled a max sig champ 5 times after getting that champ to max sig. You're basically invalidating the crystals I opened and if so, we should get that crystal back to open for another champion.
    No. They're saying you won't get any Dups back past Max Sig. How exactly would they do that? If you Duped past Max Sig, you already got a Max Sig Crystal and Shards (whatever else). They're not giving Crystals back.
  • Malt457Malt457 Posts: 3
    I think Domino shall receive some rebalancing thingy as well at least on her defensive attributes. @Kabam Miike
  • Sharknado34Sharknado34 Posts: 1
    I find myself incredibly disappointed in Kabam as of late. I have a maxed cull obsidian on another account and upon seeing this “rebalance” all I can do is sigh. I cannot deny that cull obsidian is very powerful in his current state, perhaps even too powerful. His damage output is astounding, and even with all his drawbacks he can end fights too quickly. In addition, the amount of damage he takes in fights due to his low block proficiency will only make him worse after he has less attack to compensate. He needs a balance between damage and block proficiency to be relevant, because he has literally nothing else. But regardless, whose fault is it really, for releasing a champion that so clearly needs to be fixed? Is it not your job to make sure the champions you release DON’T need some kind of major rebalance in the future? None of your testing ever brought this to your attention? You didn’t seem to mind when people were paying to get him from crystals. Same thing with Namor. After all the hype died down you decided you made a mistake and had to fix it, AFTER everyone had him. How about instead of falsely advertising champions and their abilities that you’ll just change later, give us champs that you’re actually confident in. Stop selling lies
  • AmaadAkiraAmaadAkira Posts: 15
    -> States that they still want Cull to be the highest damage dealing champ in the game

    -> Refuses to compare him to Corvus/Ghost as, and I quote, "those Champions are already doing too much Damage" - "we're not out here to make more Champions that are as game breaking as those two"

    So lemme see, you expect a lacking utility champ with high damage and low block proficiency to be viable in the game? Lucky for me I guess, I still got bits of act 3 to explore.
  • FuriousVFuriousV Posts: 13
    @Kabam Miike when champs are created as high damage dealers and people pay to get them and then you “rebalance” it. Will you return the money spent by people? I think it's time for someone to go to court about your fraudulent activities. Your rebalancing is a transparent way of cheating people.
  • A_NAZA_NAZ Posts: 146 ★★
    @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit if cull’s block proficiency won’t be increased, can the time for activating his rout buff at least be decreased because this is a situation where a large amount of block damage usually gets taken when using cull. Also, thank you for the detail you put into these rebalance posts.
  • MadcatMadcat Posts: 385 ★★★
    @Kabam Miike Maybe, as a balance to nerfing his high end damage again, add a block proficiency modifier to his Thanos' Favor buffs? It would be a slight buff to him once he was ramped up, but only for as long as he has his Favor buffs up.
  • MauledMauled Posts: 1,249 ★★★★
    If you’re determined to leave him as a glass cannon why not make interceptions give an armour break too.
    This would allow a skilled player to still be able to stack damage and armour breaks without crying when they look at their potion stash after each quest.
  • LovekLovek Posts: 113
    Now i am sure. I will NEVER spend any money on this game. Always everything change, you never know what you buy.... In real life that doesn't exist only here. Now i am happy because totally disguste by all this carnage. I will play kindly and free.
  • lethalpainslethalpains Posts: 40
    All you have done is turn a barely used champ into a NEVER used champ like a joe fixit.
    Not bumping his block was a grave mistake. I officially now have a bench 6*. Thanks Kabam
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