Alliance War Matchmaking unfair [Merged Threads]

@Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Porthos
We are an alliance with 16million rating and average member rating of around 550k and ur matchmaking program paired us with an alliance with 32 million rating and average member rating of around 1.05 million rating...How do u expect us to go against these alliance?

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Kabam Miike

Alliance Wars are not solely based on any one factor, but you will be matched with Alliances near your War Rating. This is a performance-based rating that changes with your Alliance's wins and losses. Alliance Rating can be manipulated, so is not a good matchmaking comparison.

We are continuing to work to improve our matchmaking parameters with every Season and even in between. Some Wars will be more difficult than others, but if you want to climb to the top, you're going to have to earn your spot!

Myradral

Just happened to our Alliance as well - except we paired against someone MUCH worse than us.... feel bad for them.

Something is wrong.

Thetitten

This is definitely a wrong macheup.
How do we suppose to win in this condition.
Kabam I humbly ask you please fix this problem soon

xNig

Nothing is wrong.

Look at the war ratings. 2247 v 2242. It’s as close as you can get.

Myradral

Nothing is wrong.

Look at the war ratings. 2247 v 2242. It’s as close as you can get.

Cuz war rating is the ONLY THING that matters in match-making, right?

lol.... ok Dilbert.

Gaurav363

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances

Jmd82

Same happened with my alliance 22mil alliance vs 6mil alliance. Its usually a few mill either way not 16mil.

Gaurav363

Nothing is wrong.

Look at the war ratings. 2247 v 2242. It’s as close as you can get.

Did u read the full post or just clicked on comment and posted first thing that came on to ur mind

Worknprogress

Nothing is wrong.

Look at the war ratings. 2247 v 2242. It’s as close as you can get.
Cuz war rating is the ONLY THING that matters in match-making, right?

lol.... ok Dilbert.

It should be otherwise you have much lower developed alliances ranking way higher than they should like we do currently in master

Worknprogress

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances

Do you think it's fair that alliances under 9 and 10k prestige are ranking in master while never facing any of the other top alliances? Just bc lots of low level alliances have artificially inflated war ratings right now, does not mean that's where they should be

Gaurav363

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances
Do you think it's fair that alliances under 9 and 10k prestige are ranking in master while never facing any of the other top alliances? Just bc lots of low level alliances have artificially inflated war ratings right now, does not mean that's where they should be

Yeah thats my point...this matchmaking is ****....top alliances donot get paired wid alliances of their own level and alliances like us have to suffer...Also this inflated war rating is alliance's mistake or kabams' war rating screw up?...what do expect us to do @Kabam Miike

leodenisld

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances
Do you think it's fair that alliances under 9 and 10k prestige are ranking in master while never facing any of the other top alliances? Just bc lots of low level alliances have artificially inflated war ratings right now, does not mean that's where they should be

There should be some kind of balance involved in war matchmaking, not just purely assigning matchups based on war rating alone, especially for lower war brackets like gold.

Not saying that lower level alliances should always get matchups equal to their player ratings, that would break the system I agree. But this kind of matchup where the difference is around 15-16 million is absurd. Alliances taking advantage of this and tanking in war ruins the experience for new alliances and the community in general.

Gregdagr8

That is 100% a fair matchup. Matchmaking should be done by war rating ONLY. NEVER EVER should ally rating or prestige come into the algorithm.

If you enter any tournament in real life where all are welcome to participate, there will be uneven matches. Lets just say soccer. Remember, ANYONE can enter this tournament. Then a match comes with 5-6 year old kids vs 30 year old professionals. That is no where close to a fair matchup, but in a fair tournament where anyone can enter, these matchups HAVE to happen to determine the correct spots for the season rewards. Thank you Kabam for FINALLY matching via war rating ONLY. Please do not ever let prestige or ally rating enter the algorithm. Matching via war rating is the ONLY way to have a FAIR war season.

Gaurav363

That is 100% a fair matchup. Matchmaking should be done by war rating ONLY. NEVER EVER should ally rating or prestige come into the algorithm.

If you enter any tournament in real life where all are welcome to participate, there will be uneven matches. Lets just say soccer. Remember, ANYONE can enter this tournament. Then a match comes with 5-6 year old kids vs 30 year old professionals. That is no where close to a fair matchup, but in a fair tournament where anyone can enter, these matchups HAVE to happen to determine the correct spots for the season rewards. Thank you Kabam for FINALLY matching via war rating ONLY. Please do not ever let prestige or ally rating enter the algorithm. Matching via war rating is the ONLY way to have a FAIR war season.

Ok u mentioned about soccer tournament...So why in soccer there are divisions 1st tier 2nd tier 3rd tier
U don't see Man utd Playing some 3rd league tier team in League matches...they play wid Livepool Man city Spurs...
War rating should be a factor but it should not be the only factor upon which matchmaking should be decided..At least alliance rating should be considered

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leodenisld

That is 100% a fair matchup. Matchmaking should be done by war rating ONLY. NEVER EVER should ally rating or prestige come into the algorithm.

If you enter any tournament in real life where all are welcome to participate, there will be uneven matches. Lets just say soccer. Remember, ANYONE can enter this tournament. Then a match comes with 5-6 year old kids vs 30 year old professionals. That is no where close to a fair matchup, but in a fair tournament where anyone can enter, these matchups HAVE to happen to determine the correct spots for the season rewards. Thank you Kabam for FINALLY matching via war rating ONLY. Please do not ever let prestige or ally rating enter the algorithm. Matching via war rating is the ONLY way to have a FAIR war season.

It's almost the same as shelling alliances. They're purposely staying at lower war brackets. Ruins the experience for progressing alliances.

Flash_QS

@Worknprogress you are kind of proving our point that the matchmaking is a bit absurd in terms of relying solely on war rating.
How do you expect an alliance half as strong as their opponent to even try to win these wars?
Last season we got decent, comparable matches with the same war rating. It was fun playing against alliances that we knew are at the same level.
This season, it's been a nightmare. One absurd strong match after another. Just makes AW so much less interesting.
Something needs to change in the matchmaking algorithm to make sure a fair gameplay. Otherwise AW is simply gonna be dropped by alliances like ours that actually enjoy playing wars.

Worknprogress

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances
Do you think it's fair that alliances under 9 and 10k prestige are ranking in master while never facing any of the other top alliances? Just bc lots of low level alliances have artificially inflated war ratings right now, does not mean that's where they should be
There should be some kind of balance involved in war matchmaking, not just purely assigning matchups based on war rating alone, especially for lower war brackets like gold.

Not saying that lower level alliances should always get matchups equal to their player ratings, that would break the system I agree. But this kind of matchup where the difference is around 15-16 million is absurd. Alliances taking advantage of this and tanking in war ruins the experience for new alliances and the community in general.

Except the ones who have been taking advantage the last few seasons are actually the lower rates alliances. The only reason their war ratings are as high as they are is that they haven't been matching with other alliances with similar rating. So lower alliances that win regularly have been steadily moving up tiers while not matching against other alliances near them in those tiers. It's going to take a while before alliances ratings settle back down to where they really should be.

For those of you that have been benefiting from this for a while, you're likely in for a bumpy ride for a bit unfortunately. While how matching was being done is far from any of those alliances fault, they've benefited from this for a while nowand have been punching above their weight, I guess it's time to see where you really settle at

Seely32

Same thing happened here. Weve never in 2 years had something like this happen

Worknprogress

That is 100% a fair matchup. Matchmaking should be done by war rating ONLY. NEVER EVER should ally rating or prestige come into the algorithm.

If you enter any tournament in real life where all are welcome to participate, there will be uneven matches. Lets just say soccer. Remember, ANYONE can enter this tournament. Then a match comes with 5-6 year old kids vs 30 year old professionals. That is no where close to a fair matchup, but in a fair tournament where anyone can enter, these matchups HAVE to happen to determine the correct spots for the season rewards. Thank you Kabam for FINALLY matching via war rating ONLY. Please do not ever let prestige or ally rating enter the algorithm. Matching via war rating is the ONLY way to have a FAIR war season.
Ok u mentioned about soccer tournament...So why in soccer there are divisions 1st tier 2nd tier 3rd tier
U don't see Man utd Playing some 3rd league tier team in League matches...they play wid Livepool Man city Spurs...
War rating should be a factor but it should not be the only factor upon which matchmaking should be decided..At least alliance rating should be considered

What happens there is when you win your lower division you get promoted (higher war tier and higher multiplier in the game instance), you don't how ever keep playing the lower division teams while taking in Premier League money. You have to play the teams in the higher division, which is what it looks like is happening now

Gaurav363

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances
Do you think it's fair that alliances under 9 and 10k prestige are ranking in master while never facing any of the other top alliances? Just bc lots of low level alliances have artificially inflated war ratings right now, does not mean that's where they should be
There should be some kind of balance involved in war matchmaking, not just purely assigning matchups based on war rating alone, especially for lower war brackets like gold.

Not saying that lower level alliances should always get matchups equal to their player ratings, that would break the system I agree. But this kind of matchup where the difference is around 15-16 million is absurd. Alliances taking advantage of this and tanking in war ruins the experience for new alliances and the community in general.
Except the ones who have been taking advantage the last few seasons are actually the lower rates alliances. The only reason their war ratings are as high as they are is that they haven't been matching with other alliances with similar rating. So lower alliances that win regularly have been steadily moving up tiers while not matching against other alliances near them in those tiers. It's going to take a while before alliances ratings settle back down to where they really should be.

For those of you that have been benefiting from this for a while, you're likely in for a bumpy ride for a bit unfortunately. While how matching was being done is far from any of those alliances fault, they've benefited from this for a while nowand have been punching above their weight, I guess it's time to see where you really settle at

So who is to take responsibility for such mismatched war rating kabam or we alliances...We didn't inflated the war rating...it's kabam algorithms that caused such mismatch in first place

Worknprogress

@Worknprogress you are kind of proving our point that the matchmaking is a bit absurd in terms of relying solely on war rating.
How do you expect an alliance half as strong as their opponent to even try to win these wars?
Last season we got decent, comparable matches with the same war rating. It was fun playing against alliances that we knew are at the same level.
This season, it's been a nightmare. One absurd strong match after another. Just makes AW so much less interesting.
Something needs to change in the matchmaking algorithm to make sure a fair gameplay. Otherwise AW is simply gonna be dropped by alliances like ours that actually enjoy playing wars.

Except that hasn't been how matching has been working up until around the last war. Prestige was being weighted too heavily so you had low prestige alliances with T1 multipliers matching with T3 and under alliances bc they were similar strength.

Matchmaking has absolutely been broken for a while but it's the lower rated alliances that have been benefiting

Moosetiptronic

That is 100% a fair matchup. Matchmaking should be done by war rating ONLY. NEVER EVER should ally rating or prestige come into the algorithm.

If you enter any tournament in real life where all are welcome to participate, there will be uneven matches. Lets just say soccer. Remember, ANYONE can enter this tournament. Then a match comes with 5-6 year old kids vs 30 year old professionals. That is no where close to a fair matchup, but in a fair tournament where anyone can enter, these matchups HAVE to happen to determine the correct spots for the season rewards. Thank you Kabam for FINALLY matching via war rating ONLY. Please do not ever let prestige or ally rating enter the algorithm. Matching via war rating is the ONLY way to have a FAIR war season.
Ok u mentioned about soccer tournament...So why in soccer there are divisions 1st tier 2nd tier 3rd tier
U don't see Man utd Playing some 3rd league tier team in League matches...they play wid Livepool Man city Spurs...
War rating should be a factor but it should not be the only factor upon which matchmaking should be decided..At least alliance rating should be considered

You missed the point. Manu, Liverpool, Spurs, Barcelona, Bayern; they compete for the BIG prizes. The tens of millions for even the team at the bottom of the league.

The team 3 leagues below them, gets 100ths, 1000ths of the prize money.

What's been happening, is that Crawley town FC could get the same rewards as Chelsea, without ever having to play them. That's wrong.

We are silver 2, don't war seriously, so don't care. But what's been happening, with alliances like noname getting better prizes than NYC, is just wrong.

Teams like yours should play in lower leagues, with lower prizes *unless* you can actually mix with the premier league.

You should not be getting premier/major/champions league prizes without having to play a single team that plays in that league.

It's so wrong that this has been happening and considering the spend from the top teams, I am so surprised it's not been a bigger fuss.

Gregdagr8

@Worknprogress is correct. For all the allies that have been benefiting from just matching with similar prestige/ally rating alliances, it's not your fault, you did nothing wrong. That's what Kabam's matchmaking via prestige did to you. If you won a lot of wars because of that very flawed and unfair matchmaking system, he's right, you might have a bumpy ride for a while, I'm sorry. But matchmaking via war rating and nothing else is the only fair way to determine the correct spots in AW for a season for everyone.

Gaurav363

That is 100% a fair matchup. Matchmaking should be done by war rating ONLY. NEVER EVER should ally rating or prestige come into the algorithm.

If you enter any tournament in real life where all are welcome to participate, there will be uneven matches. Lets just say soccer. Remember, ANYONE can enter this tournament. Then a match comes with 5-6 year old kids vs 30 year old professionals. That is no where close to a fair matchup, but in a fair tournament where anyone can enter, these matchups HAVE to happen to determine the correct spots for the season rewards. Thank you Kabam for FINALLY matching via war rating ONLY. Please do not ever let prestige or ally rating enter the algorithm. Matching via war rating is the ONLY way to have a FAIR war season.
Ok u mentioned about soccer tournament...So why in soccer there are divisions 1st tier 2nd tier 3rd tier
U don't see Man utd Playing some 3rd league tier team in League matches...they play wid Livepool Man city Spurs...
War rating should be a factor but it should not be the only factor upon which matchmaking should be decided..At least alliance rating should be considered
What happens there is when you win your lower division you get promoted (higher war tier and higher multiplier in the game instance), you don't how ever keep playing the lower division teams while taking in Premier League money. You have to play the teams in the higher division, which is what it looks like is happening now

The point is one war we get alliance around our rating and immediately next war we get alliance wid double our rating...How does that matchmaking works?...Surely it's broken..

Estrimetafalosi

The alliance pairing is failing as we played against an alliance with 20 million power and we have 9.3 million power and I would like you to fix that and give us compensation because something similar has happened since the last three wars and it is not fair in a competitive game mode like Alliance Wars. Alliance: [KNOWR] Knowhere

Sman74

So did the matchmaking process change to bias more towards war rating versus prestige? Haven’t seen anything official.

Worknprogress

@Kabam Miike do u think it's fair to us to go against these guys and waste our resources...AW will become obsolete and alliances will stop playing AW wid such matchmaking..War rating should not be the only factor..ur program should also look at the alliance rating as well as prestige of the alliances
Do you think it's fair that alliances under 9 and 10k prestige are ranking in master while never facing any of the other top alliances? Just bc lots of low level alliances have artificially inflated war ratings right now, does not mean that's where they should be
There should be some kind of balance involved in war matchmaking, not just purely assigning matchups based on war rating alone, especially for lower war brackets like gold.

Not saying that lower level alliances should always get matchups equal to their player ratings, that would break the system I agree. But this kind of matchup where the difference is around 15-16 million is absurd. Alliances taking advantage of this and tanking in war ruins the experience for new alliances and the community in general.
Except the ones who have been taking advantage the last few seasons are actually the lower rates alliances. The only reason their war ratings are as high as they are is that they haven't been matching with other alliances with similar rating. So lower alliances that win regularly have been steadily moving up tiers while not matching against other alliances near them in those tiers. It's going to take a while before alliances ratings settle back down to where they really should be.

For those of you that have been benefiting from this for a while, you're likely in for a bumpy ride for a bit unfortunately. While how matching was being done is far from any of those alliances fault, they've benefited from this for a while nowand have been punching above their weight, I guess it's time to see where you really settle at
So who is to take responsibility for such mismatched war rating kabam or we alliances...We didn't inflated the war rating...it's kabam algorithms that caused such mismatch in first place

It's absolutely kabams fault. No one is blaming you. Unfortunately though, those that have been matching like this will probably have some lopsided matches for a while at least until ratings settle more to your actual strength level

Tangywolf

Same thing happened to us. I get that our war rating is higher than ours but a prestige difference of well over 2000 is huge. It's not our fault that we've fought people with similar prestige levels until now. I get that those things can be manipulated however so can war rating with people tanking which I have seen mention and complaints of here as well. I get that no system is perfect but this is just an insane difference. @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Porthos

Worknprogress

So did the matchmaking process change to bias more towards war rating versus prestige? Haven’t seen anything official.

There's never anything official on matchmaking. But based off some of the lower strength alliances sitting in master all of a sudden matching with some of the other T1 alliances last war, it's pretty safe to say that's the case