Using MOD in order to get champs in arena leading to disadvantage to honest players...

CR7gouravCR7gourav Member Posts: 52
edited September 2017 in General Discussion
Recently Kabam has made it a big issue and started banning players for account sharing (usually unavoidable due to busy or uncoordinated schedule of members trying to finish aq across the globe), have taken away rewards for in-game bug exploitation and banning people for the same. I would like to question here the motive of KABAM! Do they really want to even the game for everyone, or they just want to safeguard that they continue to rob money from people in one or the other way...

1. How will kabam explain people still using mods in arenas to score more than the others in order to secure the champs they want. This increases the cutoff for that champ to about a million or sometimes more leading to players who have scored high honestly still ending up not getting the champ. Further, this causes those honest people to get tempted to use same mods in order to get the champs that they really want from arenas but know that they will not be able to score enough legitimately because of cutoff explosion due to unfair summoners.

2. Even after so many reminders and posts about gameplay issues related to some players like Vision AOU, kabam has failed to rectify the issues with those champs which leads to summoners suffering due to the same. I believe as this doesn't cause kabam to loose any money, infact it help them gain more, Kabam always fails to address these important issues or just simply ignores it.

3. The recent acts are a clear examples of the company's policy of driving the game towards a money minting app rather than a fair contest, collector in no-way possible can be completed without a revive even if the player is extremely skilled. I don't despise the difficulty due to bane node, repeated tenacity, unblockables, etc.. all these make collector fight alot of fun. The problem that I, and many of us have is with the ability reduction. Because of it, the fight is just unwinnable in one go no matter how skilled or not you are. No champ will be able to finish him in one go, which simply depicts the motive of making that boss in that particular way. Remember, we have to defeat him multiple time to 100% explore the act.

BDW, even the new aw is about who has more money to spend on clearing it....

These are few of the astounding number of issues that I and many of other summoners i believe have with KABAM because they claim to be fair to everyone but certainly are not fair themselves.

Hope that i get a reply to my concerns and not a ban from this addictive game i play so much!!!

P.S. When people don't get the basic champs they really want even after scoring 4.5 million and above, its really sad seeing the hardwork go in vain, also even if the mod users get ban later in the game, it still doesn't even the game for summoners who lost on the champs due to the modders. Try to find a way to identify arena mod users, ban them, substract their scores from cutoff calculations and awards those champs to summoners who rightfully should have got them in the first place.

Comments

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    I thought this was a Post about Mods in the Arena, but somehow it spun off. I'm just going to comment on that.
    I agree that using Mods is unfair to Players. Just as unfair as Account Sharing. They don't condone using Mods, whether it's in the Arena or any other area. It's only a matter of time before these people get caught.
    Having said that, Arena Scores will be high as Players develop Rosters. We also know that Accounts will stay visible after bans, and I'm not entirely sure if the Arena only draws on Players in that Arena, or all Players in general. However, my guess is it uses Players in the Arena. If you see someone you're concerned about, send a Report using the In-Game Gear Icon.
  • CR7gouravCR7gourav Member Posts: 52
    @GroundedWisdom I wanted to get opinions on how KABAM is trying to be really fair to its honest summoners. its not just about mods, its about KABAM's ignorant policy towards honest summoners...

    P.S. It never spun off in unimportant directions. Valid points were put forth for betterment of the game and its community. If you punish dishonest players, honest ones should also get rewarded correctly. I edited the post in the end adding a paragraph, any comments to that?
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    CR7gourav wrote: »
    @GroundedWisdom I wanted to get opinions on how KABAM is trying to be really fair to its honest summoners. its not just about mods, its about KABAM's ignorant policy towards honest summoners...

    P.S. It never spun off in unimportant directions. Valid points were put forth for betterment of the game and its community. If you punish dishonest players, honest ones should also get rewarded correctly. I edited the post in the end adding a paragraph, any comments to that?

    The majority of people using Mods are doing it with End-Game Content. Some suspect War and AQ as well. Without specific scenarios in the Arena, I can't really say much. The Arena is a contest that isn't really affected by a small number of people, but the larger population as a whole. Meaning, if one or two people are using a Mod, it's not going to stop someone from getting the Champ. A few reasons are that it is percentage-based. Any cheat would not stop at the cutoff. It's impossible to predict, even for a Mod, because it is a shifting variable. That would have to be a pretty complex Mod to do so. A few numbers don't push the percentage that far. It's most often the result of just not putting up enough Points. A Mod wouldn't stop just at a cutoff and prohibit someone from winning. It would score high and get into the Top Percentage. Now, if you look at the macrocosm, yes it affects the whole. Not significantly. Do I think that someone found to be using a Mod in the Arena should be removed from the scores? Yes. Do I think that's easily done? No. The computer tallies scores. Bans are done after thorough investigation. That would require manually shifting every Player who Ranked and awarding the balance. Bottom line, if someone missed the Champ with a close enough margin, its definitely not the result of a Mod.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    INTEGRAL wrote: »
    That arena bot is supported by Kabam according to players who use it. They say they buy it and the bot program gives money to Kabam. It must be the reason they do not ban the arena cheaters.

    That's clearly false.
  • CR7gouravCR7gourav Member Posts: 52
    edited September 2017
    @GroundedWisdom i believe you do not know about the particular mod that is used for arenas. It just lets u end fights quickly, example: GOD mode mod, where 1 hit finishes fight. so what you do is you don't use it in other aspects of the game, just for the arena, it helps you finish a fight in 10 secs which otherwise take atleast 30 sec. more over you can fight against a 5k pi champ using a 1k pi champ and win to give your score a boost. This way you score 5 times more than a normal summoner would and 3 times faster, giving you more rounds to play in the duration of the arena, and more relaxed you are! ALSO, you are sure you will get the champ too!

    And alot of people use it, and more join the bandwagon as they fear losing the champ they really want...
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    edited September 2017
    I doubt the numbers are that high for people using it. I don't know exactly how they function because I'm not interested in exploring them. The other points still stand. Someone who is dedicated enough to break TOS just to get a Champ is not going to stop at "just enough". They're going to score higher. That won't affect the margin. It's based on percentage. The percentage of people using Mods is not that high at all, actually. That's my view. The bottom line is, they are aware of the use of Mods and have a system in place for dealing with them. The Arena is a contest that requires us to put up enough Points to win a Champ. If we miss out by 200k, 300k, 500k even, the odds are that it's not because of people using Mods. It's because we didn't put up enough.
    As I've stated, it takes time to investigate Accounts, and it's not instantaneous. They can't go back to every Arena that someone Modded in and readjust everything manually. These people get banned. I don't agree with cheating any more than you do, but they have no control over whether people do it or not. All they can do is take action with sufficient evidence.
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no

    Yes actually. See them almost regularly now. That misconception is no longer plausible. It's something that people told everyone to justify doing it. If people want to believe that it's acceptable, that's up to them. It's their Account that's in jeopardy. The fact is, people have been banned for Account Sharing alone, it is against TOS, and is bannable.
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    edited September 2017
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no

    Yes actually. See them almost regularly now. That misconception is no longer plausible. It's something that people told everyone to justify doing it. If people want to believe that it's acceptable, that's up to them. It's their Account that's in jeopardy. The fact is, people have been banned for Account Sharing alone, it is against TOS, and is bannable.

    The fact is, MMXIV admitted account sharing in the old forums and none of them have been banned.

    Anyway, no idea why I'm even replying to you since you have no idea how any top alliance is run so that's the end of that
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    edited September 2017
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no

    Yes actually. See them almost regularly now. That misconception is no longer plausible. It's something that people told everyone to justify doing it. If people want to believe that it's acceptable, that's up to them. It's their Account that's in jeopardy. The fact is, people have been banned for Account Sharing alone, it is against TOS, and is bannable.

    The fact is, MMXIV admitted account sharing in the old forums and none of them have been banned.

    Anyway, no idea why I'm even replying to you since you have no idea how any top alliance is run so that's the end of that

    If you want to continue believing they won't ban someone for Account Sharing, that's up to you. However, the information is false. It has always been against TOS. People have been banned for it. If you don't believe it, that's up to you.
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no

    Yes actually. See them almost regularly now. That misconception is no longer plausible. It's something that people told everyone to justify doing it. If people want to believe that it's acceptable, that's up to them. It's their Account that's in jeopardy. The fact is, people have been banned for Account Sharing alone, it is against TOS, and is bannable.

    The fact is, MMXIV admitted account sharing in the old forums and none of them have been banned.

    Anyway, no idea why I'm even replying to you since you have no idea how any top alliance is run so that's the end of that

    If you want to continue believing they won't ban someone for Account Sharing, that's up to you. However, the information is false. It has always been against TOS. People have been banned for it. If you don't believe it, that's up to you.

    I don't have to believe anything, I know what's happening in this game daily.
  • Dave_the_destroyerDave_the_destroyer Member Posts: 981 ★★
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no

    Yes actually. See them almost regularly now. That misconception is no longer plausible. It's something that people told everyone to justify doing it. If people want to believe that it's acceptable, that's up to them. It's their Account that's in jeopardy. The fact is, people have been banned for Account Sharing alone, it is against TOS, and is bannable.

    The fact is, MMXIV admitted account sharing in the old forums and none of them have been banned.

    Anyway, no idea why I'm even replying to you since you have no idea how any top alliance is run so that's the end of that

    Just raised a ticket re account sharing, lets see if the person I mentioned is banned shall we?
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Acanthus wrote: »
    Nobody's getting banned for account sharing, only for using mods and exploiting bugs

    This is not true. People are banned for Account Sharing. Quite often actually. The idea that it's only bannable if you Mod is a misnomer.

    Yeah, no

    Yes actually. See them almost regularly now. That misconception is no longer plausible. It's something that people told everyone to justify doing it. If people want to believe that it's acceptable, that's up to them. It's their Account that's in jeopardy. The fact is, people have been banned for Account Sharing alone, it is against TOS, and is bannable.

    The fact is, MMXIV admitted account sharing in the old forums and none of them have been banned.

    Anyway, no idea why I'm even replying to you since you have no idea how any top alliance is run so that's the end of that

    Just raised a ticket re account sharing, lets see if the person I mentioned is banned shall we?

    Mentioned who and where?
  • Dave_the_destroyerDave_the_destroyer Member Posts: 981 ★★
    Im not naming mate, against the tos, but I will post on here when they get banned, or if they get banned
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    Im not naming mate, against the tos, but I will post on here when they get banned, or if they get banned

    I can tell you that not a single merc that isn't using mods has been banned. Neither his account, nor the account he did work on.
  • Dave_the_destroyerDave_the_destroyer Member Posts: 981 ★★
    sorry mate, youve lost me? Merc? Who is he? I never mentioned mods, just account sharing, that is what I have just reported
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    sorry mate, youve lost me? Merc? Who is he? I never mentioned mods, just account sharing, that is what I have just reported

    Merc = mercenary. Not a single person
  • Dave_the_destroyerDave_the_destroyer Member Posts: 981 ★★
    Thats what I thought it meant, not sure how a player is a merc though?

    I know plenty that have been banned, and will update this one when or if he is
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    edited September 2017
    Thats what I thought it meant, not sure how a player is a merc though?

    I know plenty that have been banned, and will update this one when or if he is

    A mercenary is someone that's getting paid for beating content for someone else on their accounts

    Plenty have indeed been banned. Only those using mods though
  • Dave_the_destroyerDave_the_destroyer Member Posts: 981 ★★
    right, understood now mate! Thanks

    I know through others many that have been banned re account sharing, literally loads. Their accounts are still on here, but they are inactive and not part of any alliances now

    We will see with my one!!
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