BWCV or SORCERER SUPREME!

Who is better, bwcv or sorcerer supreme and I don't use suicides. And who performs better outside of their comfort I mean in case there is a bad match up who performs better. Thanks for your advice.

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Slayerzz

And please do mention the reasons.

SpideyFunko

Sorcerer Supreme is utility. BWCV can do a lot of damage

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Joker1976

With suicides clairs arguably best mystic in the game,..without I think Sorcerer supreme,..that block regen is deadly piece of utility,..her attack rune hits like a truck as well...so much going for her.

AzKicker316

You can control Claire's abilities and immunities. For Sorceress, her abilities rotate based on a timer automatically, or you have to heavy to keep switching.

That's why I suggest Claire.

Gr8TonyStark

Bwcv is immunity champ.
Use her to regen, power control, burst damage.
She is a beast and she is the best.
Ss is useful in later content and I personally find her difficult to use.

Worknprogress

Without suicides easily sorcerer. BWCV is insanely underwhelming without suicides and is really only rated so highly due to her suicide compatability

KDSuperFlash10

I'm going BWCV even tho I don't run suicides

Joker1976

She’s also surprisingly good against a lot of different matchups I have found ,...hope that helps

Worknprogress

You can control Claire's abilities and immunities. For Sorceress, her abilities rotate based on a timer automatically, or you have to heavy to keep switching.

That's why I suggest Claire.

You can control sorcerer as well. Load one rune with a sp3 and it activates on every special. She's a far better option without suicides than Claire

Worknprogress

Lol I see the Claire fan club has arrived

Djin

I personally like SorSup more than Claire. She has both utility and damage. Claire needs suicide masteries to really shine.

Aomine_Daiki10

BWCV is the only mystic that is the jack of all trades, she has two different type of nulify,insane Regen,great damage,an ok power control, triple immunites, power gain when immune or opponent is immune, so many dubuffs that synergies with despair mastery and she does not need to be duped.

Worknprogress

In the right match ups sorcerer is just silly. Constant special spamming and finishing act 6 fights on basically a full yellow bar. This was on the countertactics combo party path

https://streamable.com/4a7b80

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Worknprogress

Claire is a good mystic that gets hyped to all heavens bc of suicide compatability / immunities. That's really her main selling factor. Take that away and she wouldn't even be a top 10 mystic. Other champs such as sorcerer have far better abilities/utility but are horrendous with suicides

Slayerzz

This is really confusing . So I am in act 5.3.Maybe now you guys can suggest one champ.

Joker1976

Look we have to be honest and not biased,..we are trying to help this dude Slayerzz chose and he’s stated he doesn’t run suicides. Clair really needs full suicides to shine and then the rest of your team needs to be suicide friendly. So in this instance sorcerer supreme all the way with his mastery set up,..let’s be real here.

Slayerzz

Thanks @Joker1976 and all others.

Tru100

In the right match ups sorcerer is just silly. Constant special spamming and finishing act 6 fights on basically a full yellow bar. This was on the countertactics combo party path

https://streamable.com/4a7b80

Wow, that is sick power gain. What level of MD r u running? (I presume that’s the reason for it) Do u consider it a must for using her?

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Princenayarw

Claire. No question

SwarmOfRavens

BWCV, I don't run suicides but she's still one of the best mystic.
She fits better into the meta than sorcerer supreme.
Triple immunities, buff immunity which ignores anti -mystic nodes like mystic ward, power drain and regen.
MVP for v5 exploration

Worknprogress

In the right match ups sorcerer is just silly. Constant special spamming and finishing act 6 fights on basically a full yellow bar. This was on the countertactics combo party path

https://streamable.com/4a7b80
Wow, that is sick power gain. What level of MD r u running? (I presume that’s the reason for it) Do u consider it a must for using her?

MD 4

Worknprogress

It's not necessary for her but I think it helps a lot

Thicco_Mode

BWCV is the only mystic that is the jack of all trades, she has two different type of nulify,insane Regen,great damage,an ok power control, triple immunites, power gain when immune or opponent is immune, so many dubuffs that synergies with despair mastery and she does not need to be duped.

*sad voodoo noises*

Rockypantherx

Even without suicides I would go Claire. I’ve got them both at R5, running them with and without suicides, and Claire wipes the floor. So much versatility and utility. The only thing she’s missing is the massive regen but it’s still respectable

Sorcerer is great, also a very versatile champ, but the nullify isn’t as strong as Claire’s, nor is the power control, although neither are incredible at that. The regen would be the big selling point if you’re not running suicides. Sorcerers regen is probably better than Claire’s without.

Don’t listen to the Naysayer’s, Claire is a monster without suicides. I would know, I used her a **** ton throughout Act 6 100% without suicides and she did perfectly

Princenayarw

Who needs regen on block when Claire can regen with her special. Also insane power control on her special . Also increases damage in hellfire. Suicides are just a buff to her damage since it isn't the best but sorc supreme doesn't have ultra damage either. Also TRIPLE immunities. In the hands of a skilled player she can do pretty much anything. Cough cough second best mystic in the game and arguably best with suicides and yet the little puny fan club of sorc supreme have arrived. Maybe they only have sorc supreme. Cough cough salty. If I get tonnes of disagrees here they are all just an acceptance of the fact that they are salty LOL.

lowlevelplayer

Without suicides easily sorcerer. BWCV is insanely underwhelming without suicides and is really only rated so highly due to her suicide compatability

how does an idiot like you get into 4loki?

Princenayarw

ALSO TGE MOST UNIQUE TYPE OF BUFF IMMUNITY UN THE GAME.