Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

Markjv81

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Markjv81

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Lormif

GroundedWisdom said:

Lainua said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

It's sad. When profit killed all great things in the game.

They should keep act 6 as it was and make act 7 as challenging as possible.

That would have broken the line of progression in ways no one would have been able to get past.

no, it really would not have.

GroundedWisdom

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

Lormif

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Your statement ". No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed." Dont move the goal posts.

GroundedWisdom

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Your statement ". No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed." Dont move the goal posts.

It's also inaccurate. Resources to progress come from all aspects of the game. Story is not a self-fulfilling mode.

H3t3r

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lainua said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

It's sad. When profit killed all great things in the game.

They should keep act 6 as it was and make act 7 as challenging as possible.

That would have broken the line of progression in ways no one would have been able to get past.

no, it really would not have.

It would have. We would have reached a point where content would be near impossible for any player. If you couldnt see that I pray you get your eyes checked.

Markjv81

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Your statement ". No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed." Dont move the goal posts.

I think you’re confused.

Markjv81

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

GroundedWisdom

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lainua said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

It's sad. When profit killed all great things in the game.

They should keep act 6 as it was and make act 7 as challenging as possible.

That would have broken the line of progression in ways no one would have been able to get past.

no, it really would not have.

Actually, it would have. Their trajectory using the Top Players as a gauge to continually increase the challenge factor was making it exponentially more difficult, and eventually impossible, to progress into it. @DNA3000 presented a breakdown much more in-depth than myself, but his input was pretty irrefutable from what I processed when I read it.

GroundedWisdom

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It has everything to do with what you said. Story progression has always been dependent on advancing outside of it in one form or another. You can't rely solely on Story to get everything you need to get through Story.

Lormif

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Your statement ". No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed." Dont move the goal posts.

I think you’re confused.

not at all, incursion progression is based soley on the number of champs at certain levels.

Deacon

people saying full exploration Act 6, Abyss exploration etc LOL c'mon man ... that's just crazy. like i said, you can't ABSOLUTELY get this title. it isn't a title for only ranking up your favorite champ. it's to rank up ANY champ. if you don't want to "waste" the resources, hey you're more than welcome to not do it and wait until you have a champ you want to rank up.

i mean honestly .. it isn't RNG when you have a stash of six star champs . be they bad, worse, great or indifferent, the fact remains you have them and you can rank them to get this title. keep in mind there's someone out there who loves Kamala Khan .. Diablo and even Joe Fixing To Lose

Markjv81

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Your statement ". No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed." Dont move the goal posts.

I think you’re confused.

not at all, incursion progression is based soley on the number of champs at certain levels.

Ok you’re right, no other story based progression relies on outside content, granted that’s not exactly what I said but was obvious based on my previous statement.

CoatHang3r

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It has everything to do with what you said. Story progression has always been dependent on advancing outside of it in one form or another. You can't rely solely on Story to get everything you need to get through Story.

Which story based titles have relied on completing content outside fo story mode? He is talking about titles which have nothing to do with incursions etc.

Additionally while it’s true that causals (the vast majority of the player base) did find and would find story progression to difficult they are not everyone.

CoatHang3r

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

Lormif said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

you mean besides incursions and the other items based on it?

Not sure what incursions have to do with being able to compete act 6, you could never have entered them once and would have no bearing on your ability to do it.

Your statement ". No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed." Dont move the goal posts.

I think you’re confused.

not at all, incursion progression is based soley on the number of champs at certain levels.

I think you are unless you can tell us how story based title progression ties into incursions.

GroundedWisdom

CoatHang3r said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It has everything to do with what you said. Story progression has always been dependent on advancing outside of it in one form or another. You can't rely solely on Story to get everything you need to get through Story.

Which story based titles have relied on completing content outside fo story mode? He is talking about titles which have nothing to do with incursions etc.

Additionally while it’s true that causals (the vast majority of the player base) did find and would find story progression to difficult they are not everyone.

Completing content? No. That's not what we even have here. We have a requirement to have reached a certain Roster level. It's not as if you must complete X content first. You have to have a Champ at R3. I think the OP's point is just a red herring, TBH.

Ohhchewy90

Ya_Boi_28 said:

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

Never had a problem with how kabam ran their game but this might be the most disappointing thing they have ever done this is more of a money grab

Markjv81

GroundedWisdom said:

CoatHang3r said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It has everything to do with what you said. Story progression has always been dependent on advancing outside of it in one form or another. You can't rely solely on Story to get everything you need to get through Story.

Which story based titles have relied on completing content outside fo story mode? He is talking about titles which have nothing to do with incursions etc.

Additionally while it’s true that causals (the vast majority of the player base) did find and would find story progression to difficult they are not everyone.

Completing content? No. That's not what we even have here. We have a requirement to have reached a certain Roster level. It's not as if you must complete X content first. You have to have a Champ at R3. I think the OP's point is just a red herring, TBH.

Then call it roster progression not story progression.

GroundedWisdom

GroundedWisdom said:

CoatHang3r said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It has everything to do with what you said. Story progression has always been dependent on advancing outside of it in one form or another. You can't rely solely on Story to get everything you need to get through Story.

Which story based titles have relied on completing content outside fo story mode? He is talking about titles which have nothing to do with incursions etc.

Additionally while it’s true that causals (the vast majority of the player base) did find and would find story progression to difficult they are not everyone.

Completing content? No. That's not what we even have here. We have a requirement to have reached a certain Roster level. It's not as if you must complete X content first. You have to have a Champ at R3. I think the OP's point is just a red herring, TBH.

You have to complete other things to gain the Resources, but that's why I was making my point.

Ridwando

Come on Kabam. Scrap the r3 six star requirement.

I have done the initial clear of abyss and gone through 6.4. I only have a cosmic t5cc fully formed, and my options are Groot, venompool, angela, and superior ironman.

I am NOT pulling the trigger on any of these.

GroundedWisdom

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

CoatHang3r said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

danielmath said:

Markjv81 said:

The r3 requirement seems ridiculous, this is a story progression based title, yet the requirement (completion of act 6) doesn’t give you the rewards you need to have the requirement for the title.

Those materials need to come from outside the story based content such as abyss, high level AQ/AW, spending, act 6 exploration etc

How can it be classed as story based?

There is no more story content, that died with act 6 as far as being any type of measure of progression

Say what? The mail literally says story based progression. No other progression based title relies on outside content being completed.

They said that story content isn't going to be challenging anymore. It'll be just for fun content that'll be easy for everyone to go through, so it makes no sense to use it as any type of progression measure

If that’s so then don’t call it story progression based title. Call it account progression.

Progression in Story has been limited by what you're working with before. It's not a new concept.

This literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It has everything to do with what you said. Story progression has always been dependent on advancing outside of it in one form or another. You can't rely solely on Story to get everything you need to get through Story.

Which story based titles have relied on completing content outside fo story mode? He is talking about titles which have nothing to do with incursions etc.

Additionally while it’s true that causals (the vast majority of the player base) did find and would find story progression to difficult they are not everyone.

Completing content? No. That's not what we even have here. We have a requirement to have reached a certain Roster level. It's not as if you must complete X content first. You have to have a Champ at R3. I think the OP's point is just a red herring, TBH.

Then call it roster progression not story progression.

That's your point? They could call it a kumquat but that doesn't change the issue being discussed.

Oesername123

This is great because the advanced cavalier players that have been shafted by RNG, either by T5CC's or 6*, will eventually be frustrated and leave, while the newer players will be discouraged by the increasingly steep ladder of progression and will say "what's the point?". That will narrow down the player base to the regular spenders, the "I keep the game going" brigade, Kabam's target demographic.

Either way, I've made my peace with it. I've always said if you don't like the game, then don't play it. That has never been more relevant.

Wicket329

The only legitimate complaint I have heard thus far is about offer gate cutoffs. This is the only time-sensitive issue related to becoming a Thronebreaker. And for the people griping that “oh you need to be a whale to have an r3 champ,” then you weren’t going to buy the offer anyway and have no reason to complain about it.

What other perk of Thronebreaker is so great that you can’t wait for it? Is it the gold crystal that you’ll literally never buy? Or maybe the arena crystal which is statistically exactly the same as the lower level ones? Maybe it’s the painfully slow accumulation of cavalier crystal shards which will eventually give you yet another 3* champion. The four hour free crystals have never made an impact outside of being stockpiled for when I need potions or energy and the daily just gives me a few frags of t4b if I’m lucky. They aren’t game changers.

My point is that, in the day to day playing of the game, tier progression really doesn’t make a huge impact. The offer gates are a legitimate concern, but if you’ve cleared all the content discussed in this thread and you’re picking up offers regularly enough to be concerned about being gated out, odds are you’ve already got an r3 in your roster.

Alright, I’m ready to be yelled at now.

GroundedWisdom

Oesername123 said:

This is great because the advanced cavalier players that have been shafted by RNG, either by T5CC's or 6*, will eventually be frustrated and leave, while the newer players will be discouraged by the increasingly steep ladder of progression and will say "what's the point?". That will narrow down the player base to the regular spenders, the "I keep the game going" brigade, Kabam's target demographic.

Either way, I've made my peace with it. I've always said if you don't like the game, then don't play it. That has never been more relevant.

I have 12 6*s (retired for a few months). Out of 12, I have one for 4 of the Classes I could take to R3. Only thing stopping me is the T5CCs. I'm hardly discouraged.

Harding7

@Kabam Miike

So what’s in the new 4 hour and daily crystals

Werewrym

Oesername123 said:

This is great because the advanced cavalier players that have been shafted by RNG, either by T5CC's or 6*, will eventually be frustrated and leave, while the newer players will be discouraged by the increasingly steep ladder of progression and will say "what's the point?". That will narrow down the player base to the regular spenders, the "I keep the game going" brigade, Kabam's target demographic.

Either way, I've made my peace with it. I've always said if you don't like the game, then don't play it. That has never been more relevant.

Nothing about this is an “increasingly steep ladder of progression.” It is simply the next progression level. It happens to be a bit further away from cavalier than cavalier was from uncollected, that’s why people are so riled up about this. In my mind it just gives people reason to stick around longer and not get bored.

Worknprogress

Wicket329 said:

The only legitimate complaint I have heard thus far is about offer gate cutoffs. This is the only time-sensitive issue related to becoming a Thronebreaker. And for the people griping that “oh you need to be a whale to have an r3 champ,” then you weren’t going to buy the offer anyway and have no reason to complain about it.

What other perk of Thronebreaker is so great that you can’t wait for it? Is it the gold crystal that you’ll literally never buy? Or maybe the arena crystal which is statistically exactly the same as the lower level ones? Maybe it’s the painfully slow accumulation of cavalier crystal shards which will eventually give you yet another 3* champion. The four hour free crystals have never made an impact outside of being stockpiled for when I need potions or energy and the daily just gives me a few frags of t4b if I’m lucky. They aren’t game changers.

My point is that, in the day to day playing of the game, tier progression really doesn’t make a huge impact. The offer gates are a legitimate concern, but if you’ve cleared all the content discussed in this thread and you’re picking up offers regularly enough to be concerned about being gated out, odds are you’ve already got an r3 in your roster.

Alright, I’m ready to be yelled at now.

This is my favorite part. The same people complaining about progression being "p2w" are complaining about being gated out of offers. Absolutely fantastic