Champion Spotlight - Hulk (Immortal)

JoshuaG248_1

Then who’s this week

ThatGuyYouSaw235

JoshuaG248_1 said:

Then who’s this week

Not Immortal Hulk

CoatHang3r

Mike192 said:

About burst, yes thats true but dont forget its not direct damage, its physical damage so tech champs or champs with lots of armor ups are gonna make all that useless.

The burst damage he does will not be mitigated by armor, that affects damage when struck and not the direct damage (red numbers) like either of his burst mechanics. That type of damage is very useful against champions with high armor stats. It will however be mitigated by physical resistance.

GMAX77

Magrailothos said:

How the heck does this champ not have a synergy with Green Hulk?

Or Joe Fixit?

Or Gladiator Hulk?

They were even referenced in his Motion Comic, guys! And you've even called one of his synergies "Gamma mutates"...

I initially thought the same thing at first, but technically they're kind of the same person, so I can understand a champ not synergizing with himself. It's kind of like Hawkeye not having a synergy with Ronin, or Captain Marvel Classic and Ms.Marvel Classic not having one.

FluffyPigMonster

So, Kabam - let me say that I’ve been playing this game since the beginning. You’ve done a fantastic job with the game, improvements, etc. It’s why it lasted so long and is doing so well, Bravo.

Recently you decided to make another Hulk (Immortal). Let’s call him iHulk for reference. After some recent gameplay, I’ve come to the following conclusion:

He’s not viable for any end game content that someone would focus on due to limiting and very fractured mechanics.

He’s fun under the right circumstances. I feel you can take him into ROL or something and pound away, but it means little. There are so many frustrating mechanics for him. Examples (not limited to):

Rage charges. I’m in the minority where I’m fine with them disappearing after 1.5s, but I’m order to make him more complete, he lacks something like +(1)% increase to stun on SP1depending on how many rage stacks he has. Something like that.

Gamma radiation. Cool, but he should get a bonus from his sig ability or something that any energy damage does + something to it.

There’s more but I don’t want to kill him totally.

Overall, he seems fun, but is lackluster. He’s probably the 4th or 5th best Hulk and that’s not a good thing.

I hope you add something to him before next week that helps him a little bit. He’s the Hulk, not Air Walker.

Anyway - overall I love your game, but this is a beloved character and I feel I can speak for many people when I say we hoped for more.

Thank you

Nameless_IW

I truly hope and wish all this constructive and negative feedback towards the new Immortal Hulk won't be a waste of time. Please buff this guy up or either overhaul the OG Hulk. None of the Hulk we have in the game is a true representation of what we know and adore him for.

FluffyPigMonster

Nameless_IW said:

I truly hope and wish all this constructive and negative feedback towards the new Immortal Hulk won't be a waste of time. Please buff this guy up or either overhaul the OG Hulk. None of the Hulk we have in the game is a true representation of what we know and adore him for.

Here here

FluffyPigMonster

I will say however, the animations are phenomenal.

Playing around with him more - the petrify is almost useless. It’s extremely difficult to activate and it’s 70%. If he can access a utility immediately, like She Hulk or something like that - it’ll give him some kind of use. Right now he’s a damage dealer in a few non-relevant fights.

TripleB

Are you supposed to heavy cancel into a special attack after the first hit and receive the huge attack bonus from the second heavy attack on your special attack (think of Cap IW)? If you are then I don't see it, and if that's not a feature then can I ask why?
The second heavy hit doesn't hit NEARLY as hard as I'd expect it to, and with a measly 4% chance to crit, I doubt you'll every see any nice numbers come from the second heavy hit. I guess I'm just confused as to why this is an ability if it serves little to no purpose.

green_arrow_8

immortal abomination is top 10 same with hulk

Âspect

I played him as a 2* the one you get for free, he is not as good as the champs you’ve been putting out thing year, needs a buff

Kabam Zibiit

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Crcrcrc

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Thank you so much! This is a huge change!
@Rookiie this proves that they are listening and making him better

Rookiie

Crcrcrc said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Thank you so much! This is a huge change!
@Rookiie this proves that they are listening and making him better

This is insane! Thanks for the tag @Crcrcrc
@FluffyPigMonster 📣
And thank you @Kabam Zibiit & team!

Edit: by the way @Kabam Zibiit it's actually 2 seconds and not 1.5 seconds. I just checked his abilities in-game and verified the same.

FluffyPigMonster

Rookiie said:

Crcrcrc said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Thank you so much! This is a huge change!
@Rookiie this proves that they are listening and making him better

This is insane! Thanks for the tag @Crcrcrc
@FluffyPigMonster 📣
And thank you @Kabam Zibiit & team!

Edit: by the way @Kabam Zibiit it's actually 2 seconds and not 1.5 seconds. I just checked his abilities in-game and verified the same.

Ha! Good work brother. And thank you for listening to us, Kabam.

Thank you

Rookiie

FluffyPigMonster said:

Rookiie said:

Crcrcrc said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Thank you so much! This is a huge change!
@Rookiie this proves that they are listening and making him better

This is insane! Thanks for the tag @Crcrcrc
@FluffyPigMonster 📣
And thank you @Kabam Zibiit & team!

Edit: by the way @Kabam Zibiit it's actually 2 seconds and not 1.5 seconds. I just checked his abilities in-game and verified the same.

Ha! Good work brother. And thank you for listening to us, Kabam.

Thank you

Right back at you 🍻

slacker

Rookiie said:

FluffyPigMonster said:

Rookiie said:

Crcrcrc said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Thank you so much! This is a huge change!
@Rookiie this proves that they are listening and making him better

This is insane! Thanks for the tag @Crcrcrc
@FluffyPigMonster 📣
And thank you @Kabam Zibiit & team!

Edit: by the way @Kabam Zibiit it's actually 2 seconds and not 1.5 seconds. I just checked his abilities in-game and verified the same.

Ha! Good work brother. And thank you for listening to us, Kabam.

Thank you

Right back at you 🍻

We did it man, now he is much much less stressful to play with those rage stack

FluffyPigMonster

If you play him, he’s a different champion

You can knock yourself out quicker but man, the damage is real now.

On the cool down you have to start ending combos in an “L”. Otherwise you’ll bring yourself right back down to 1% immediately.

This is where I’d add some kind of utility to ending a 5 hit combo with an L. Slow or true strike or something debilitating that allows the user to have a chance to survive. You won’t be stacking gamma until you start ending combos w/medium again and now it’s way faster to damage yourself.

FluffyPigMonster

I posted this in the general discussion forum:

I think what would fix him to the end is some kind of agitation debuff when ending a combo with a L. Or you add 1 gamma radiation when you end a 5 hit combo with a L. Hear me out.

When he goes into cool down, you don’t want to be aggressive. In the comics and movies and cartoons when he doesn’t want to fight he’s not as agitated. Make the MLLLL cause him to have some kind of utility.

Something that slows down the opponent. Root would work here.

Ending an attack with a light attack causes the opponent to be “rooted” for 0.5 seconds (paralyzed by fear?).

Or make it a slow debuff for 5s or something.

Something to help him during cool down.

I’ll even take adding 1 gamma radiation ending a 5 hit combo with an L.

He needs some help during the cool down phase.

That’s the final piece that can help.

FluffyPigMonster

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

Although I know we’re still discussing him and his flaws, I want to thank you and the rest of the Kabam cadre for listening to our concerns and actually doing something about it.

This new open communication and receptiveness to feedback has made me crave more content.

Although I don’t speak on behalf of the entire community, I can say most of us want to give you a collective thank you.

Thank you!!!!!

Savage

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

His Immortality still needs to not be able to be affected by AAR or heal block effects. Tech does not have the class advantage against him.

Sarvanga1_

Mike192 said:

Savage said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

His Immortality still needs to not be able to be affected by AAR or heal block effects. Tech does not have the class advantage against him.

Agreed, if his Regen rate cant be modded, so does his Regen itself shouldnt; making him immune to healblock/heal reversal or such effects (similar to OML n DPX in Abyss). Maybe throw in a weakness that cuts regen by half, like if iHulk is bleeding, regeneration rates are half as potent.

Nah he doesn't need to be immune to heal block. He is already immune to regen rate modification so this would only reduce his counters and make him more annoying on defense.

Sarvanga1_

We need to concentrate on the offense part where we have to play this guy.

Savage

Sarvanga1_ said:

Mike192 said:

Savage said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

His Immortality still needs to not be able to be affected by AAR or heal block effects. Tech does not have the class advantage against him.

Agreed, if his Regen rate cant be modded, so does his Regen itself shouldnt; making him immune to healblock/heal reversal or such effects (similar to OML n DPX in Abyss). Maybe throw in a weakness that cuts regen by half, like if iHulk is bleeding, regeneration rates are half as potent.

Nah he doesn't need to be immune to heal block. He is already immune to regen rate modification so this would only reduce his counters and make him more annoying on defense.

That's a good thing. He'll be a stronger defender but you can reduce his gamma radiation by attacking him during immortality anyways. (Immortality with Stubborn sounds fun lol)

Sarvanga1_

Savage said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

Mike192 said:

Savage said:

Kabam Zibiit said:

Hey there everyone, quick update here; based on player feedback, the Rage ability will be changed so that Rage stacks won't expire during an opponent's Special Attack, in order to make it a bit easier to sustain Hulk (Immortal)'s Rage stacks. The ability will read as follows:

• Hulk’s Medium Attacks, the first hit of his Special 1 Attack and the first and last hits of his Special 2 Attack apply a RAGE stack.
  
• Consecutive RAGE Attacks build up RAGE stacks. All RAGE stacks are lost after 1.5 second(s) without performing a RAGE Attack. RAGE stacks do not expire during Hulk’s or his Opponent’s Special Attacks.
  

His Immortality still needs to not be able to be affected by AAR or heal block effects. Tech does not have the class advantage against him.

Agreed, if his Regen rate cant be modded, so does his Regen itself shouldnt; making him immune to healblock/heal reversal or such effects (similar to OML n DPX in Abyss). Maybe throw in a weakness that cuts regen by half, like if iHulk is bleeding, regeneration rates are half as potent.

Nah he doesn't need to be immune to heal block. He is already immune to regen rate modification so this would only reduce his counters and make him more annoying on defense.

That's a good thing. He'll be a stronger defender but you can reduce his gamma radiation by attacking him during immortality anyways. (Immortality with Stubborn sounds fun lol)

He will not be any stronger than he is right now. I literally beat the highest difficulty hulk with doom who isn't even supposed to counter him. Only thing I see to be helpful is some safeguard against assassins mastery.

FluffyPigMonster

I think the last piece of the puzzle is to give the guy some utility when he ends his combo with a light attack.

Specifically during the cool down phase where I’m trying to not get my health back down.

A “Slow” or “Root” or something that gives him the ability to slow down the opponent and let the timer expire without using that 2nd medium which eats up health.