The Yellowjacket Debate...

SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
edited February 2 in General Discussion
So over the past two days i have seen three types of views surrounding yellowjacket buff on forums..:-
1.People who are not going to rank him up but keep using CCP members' videos of max. sig. fully synergized yellowjackets on specific paths to prove that YJ has enough damage...
2.People who don't care and just say one wird when asked about YJ buff: "meh".
3.People who are serious about YJ, wanna rank him up but genuinely believe that the damage is not nearly enough.
4. Somewhat similar to the last group, but more of a fringe radical group that exaggerates YJ's problems by calling him useless,nerfed etc.(I'm somewhat of a fringe element myself)

Which group are u a part of...?

The Yellowjacket Debate... 88 votes

Group 1: Smart bois
11%
SnakeEyes69DeeparviDarkrider05Raichu626RockypantherxSpeedro420MasterpuffPuttPuttNuclearOrkWooptyfrickendoo 10 votes
Group 2: meh
46%
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Group 3: Genuine critics
32%
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Group 4: all or nothing
9%
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Comments

  • Ksp_2099Ksp_2099 Posts: 735 ★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    Yeah he is more like balanced champion.
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,204 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    Not neccesarily me but many people actually have enjoyed the buff and ranked him up post-buff. I don't have YJ yet though and I probably won't have him at max sig for a long time.
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    Not neccesarily me but many people actually have enjoyed the buff and ranked him up post-buff. I don't have YJ yet though and I probably won't have him at max sig for a long time.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can vote for themselves.
    "meh" doesnt say anything about the quality of buff it means u dont care enough to rank him up...i think thats your option lol.
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing
    zeezee57 said:

    I have him as an unduped 6* and just don't see it with him. I also have a deep well developed roster which doesn't seem to be the target audience for these buffs. He's better than before no doubt and for people lacking other options its a great buff, but for people who have other options hes right where he was before, on the bench.

    You're what i would call a Genuine critic...
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Posts: 7,465 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    I have a 4* one. I would have ranked up a higher star one, but I don’t have one. So far the buff is very solid.
  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Posts: 3,698 ★★★★★
    He's Better than he was, he does nothing I don't already have.
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing
    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    I have a 4* one. I would have ranked up a higher star one, but I don’t have one. So far the buff is very solid.
    that's what i wanted to know whether u urself have played around with a ranked up higher rarity YJ or think so he is solid based on others' gameplay...
    So...ask urself are you a smart boi? :)
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,204 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    Not neccesarily me but many people actually have enjoyed the buff and ranked him up post-buff. I don't have YJ yet though and I probably won't have him at max sig for a long time.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can vote for themselves.
    "meh" doesnt say anything about the quality of buff it means u dont care enough to rank him up...i think thats your option lol.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can have their own opinion and don't need to follow your condescending template. I mean, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have big yellow numbers but saying that his damage is trash is so wrong. You need him at max sig for his damage and he has good utility. For endgame players, it won't bother them too much how this buff turns since their rosters are stacked anyways. For mid-game players, he is gonna be useful with his utility.
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    Not neccesarily me but many people actually have enjoyed the buff and ranked him up post-buff. I don't have YJ yet though and I probably won't have him at max sig for a long time.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can vote for themselves.
    "meh" doesnt say anything about the quality of buff it means u dont care enough to rank him up...i think thats your option lol.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can have their own opinion and don't need to follow your condescending template. I mean, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have big yellow numbers but saying that his damage is trash is so wrong. You need him at max sig for his damage and he has good utility. For endgame players, it won't bother them too much how this buff turns since their rosters are stacked anyways. For mid-game players, he is gonna be useful with his utility.
    I apologise if i offended you in any way...but i meant to say that playing a champ urself is different from seeing gameplay...
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,204 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    Not neccesarily me but many people actually have enjoyed the buff and ranked him up post-buff. I don't have YJ yet though and I probably won't have him at max sig for a long time.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can vote for themselves.
    "meh" doesnt say anything about the quality of buff it means u dont care enough to rank him up...i think thats your option lol.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can have their own opinion and don't need to follow your condescending template. I mean, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have big yellow numbers but saying that his damage is trash is so wrong. You need him at max sig for his damage and he has good utility. For endgame players, it won't bother them too much how this buff turns since their rosters are stacked anyways. For mid-game players, he is gonna be useful with his utility.
    I apologise if i offended you in any way...but i meant to say that playing a champ urself is different from seeing gameplay...
    I agree that playing a champ yourself is way different from seeing gameplay. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I have seen which is why I said above that I don't have YJ. Sorry if my above post was too harsh. Didn't mean to come off like that.
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    Not neccesarily me but many people actually have enjoyed the buff and ranked him up post-buff. I don't have YJ yet though and I probably won't have him at max sig for a long time.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can vote for themselves.
    "meh" doesnt say anything about the quality of buff it means u dont care enough to rank him up...i think thats your option lol.
    I believe those people who *have* ranked YJ can have their own opinion and don't need to follow your condescending template. I mean, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have big yellow numbers but saying that his damage is trash is so wrong. You need him at max sig for his damage and he has good utility. For endgame players, it won't bother them too much how this buff turns since their rosters are stacked anyways. For mid-game players, he is gonna be useful with his utility.
    I apologise if i offended you in any way...but i meant to say that playing a champ urself is different from seeing gameplay...
    I agree that playing a champ yourself is way different from seeing gameplay. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I have seen which is why I said above that I don't have YJ. Sorry if my above post was too harsh. Didn't mean to come off like that.
    oh okay...I should have made another option then lol...didn't think about this sort of scenario...
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 6,104 ★★★★★
    Group 1: Smart bois
    I didnt actually read all that text. I assumed Smart bois was goos buff.
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Posts: 7,465 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    I have a 4* one. I would have ranked up a higher star one, but I don’t have one. So far the buff is very solid.
    that's what i wanted to know whether u urself have played around with a ranked up higher rarity YJ or think so he is solid based on others' gameplay...
    So...ask urself are you a smart boi? :)
    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize abilities were hidden behind higher rank. Oh wait, they’re not. So I could do all my testing with a 2* in act 2 and be able to create an opinion. Sure, I can’t test Act 6 special nodes with a 4*, but I can test him pretty much anywhere else.

  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing
    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    I have a 4* one. I would have ranked up a higher star one, but I don’t have one. So far the buff is very solid.
    that's what i wanted to know whether u urself have played around with a ranked up higher rarity YJ or think so he is solid based on others' gameplay...
    So...ask urself are you a smart boi? :)
    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize abilities were hidden behind higher rank. Oh wait, they’re not. So I could do all my testing with a 2* in act 2 and be able to create an opinion. Sure, I can’t test Act 6 special nodes with a 4*, but I can test him pretty much anywhere else.

    This is a valid point and he will be a great utility champ for lower level players...but his damage cycle is no good against 200k/300k champs in act 6 where u have to manage various abilities and nodes...his damage(dependent on Hig sig level and even suicide masteries) is just disappointing( personal opinion).
  • WRIRWRIR Posts: 562 ★★★
    Group 2: meh
    I leveled him before the buff was announced. I don't like em too much. But at least I got the level up solo event rewards so it was probably worth it?
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Posts: 7,465 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    I have a 4* one. I would have ranked up a higher star one, but I don’t have one. So far the buff is very solid.
    that's what i wanted to know whether u urself have played around with a ranked up higher rarity YJ or think so he is solid based on others' gameplay...
    So...ask urself are you a smart boi? :)
    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize abilities were hidden behind higher rank. Oh wait, they’re not. So I could do all my testing with a 2* in act 2 and be able to create an opinion. Sure, I can’t test Act 6 special nodes with a 4*, but I can test him pretty much anywhere else.

    This is a valid point and he will be a great utility champ for lower level players...but his damage cycle is no good against 200k/300k champs in act 6 where u have to manage various abilities and nodes...his damage(dependent on Hig sig level and even suicide masteries) is just disappointing( personal opinion).
    Yeah, that’s true, but I felt that this buff was meant to make Yellowjacket a helpful option for players with weaker rosters still getting through act 5
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing
    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    What about people who think YJ had a good buff?

    U think so based on CCP members gameplay or you ranked him up *yourself* and plan to *use him*(also no offence but pls show ur ranked up YJ if you have one)...?


    I have a 4* one. I would have ranked up a higher star one, but I don’t have one. So far the buff is very solid.
    that's what i wanted to know whether u urself have played around with a ranked up higher rarity YJ or think so he is solid based on others' gameplay...
    So...ask urself are you a smart boi? :)
    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize abilities were hidden behind higher rank. Oh wait, they’re not. So I could do all my testing with a 2* in act 2 and be able to create an opinion. Sure, I can’t test Act 6 special nodes with a 4*, but I can test him pretty much anywhere else.

    This is a valid point and he will be a great utility champ for lower level players...but his damage cycle is no good against 200k/300k champs in act 6 where u have to manage various abilities and nodes...his damage(dependent on Hig sig level and even suicide masteries) is just disappointing( personal opinion).
    Yeah, that’s true, but I felt that this buff was meant to make Yellowjacket a helpful option for players with weaker rosters still getting through act 5
    That's possible as nearly everyone has him in lower rarities(my own 1st maxed out 2 star was YJ as well)
  • Troy_Elric123Troy_Elric123 Posts: 463 ★★★
    Group 3: Genuine critics
    Mediocrity.
  • Sarvanga1_Sarvanga1_ Posts: 4,014 ★★★★★
    Group 3: Genuine critics
    This guy does not have damage. He plays as slow as a snail and the stings also have a chance to just become stuns and not give any damage if the AI doesn't throw special.
    This guy thrives on utility. He's got very good heal control, his energy resistance is just so good for so many energy damage based fights, he's got a slow which is not the best slow out there but it works ok.
    Now coming to the point of whether I would rank him up or not. I won't rank him up as playing him on max sig is the best way to play this guy. He suffers from the same demand of max sig which has deterred so many players from using champs like nightthrasher,darkhawk,mojo.
    And even on max sig he does not pack the same punch as other top tier Science champs.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 2,345 ★★★★★
    edited February 2
    I don't plan on ranking him up as a 5 star, don't have him as a 6 star and have not watched any videos of his buffed gameplay. So, I can't really comment on how good his buff his.
  • 007md92007md92 Posts: 1,207 ★★★★
    edited February 2
    Group 3: Genuine critics
    I wanted to rank him up. I really did.
    He is a shrinking champion with technology base

    If he has power sting why not "taunt" mechanism too?
    What? Opponent a.i. would just throw spacial for our sake?

    Why not glance or evade?

    Why not auto repair burning his power?

    Why not power burn or incenerate from plasma beam Spacial?

    At this stage of the game 2k to 4k basic attack is very expected. If not yellow numbers may be something like crossbones? Can't crit yet gets fury for Red damage numbers?
    Not to mention 6k to 15k Spacial atleast expected.

    If you are talking about reverse Regeneration then - beardo, void, gulli, torch i would choose any of these 4 before him cause these champ can take on more than reverse Regeneration. So why waste a space on a 5 memebr quest team?

    My request for those why only forcing the idea of this being a good buff
    - how many of you are new players?
    - will any of you take him to rank 5 and use sig 200 stones and awk gem?
    - if so then please post some video link of his usage on map 4 5 AQ & may be an AW video of him being an usable defender or if you are confident enough may be an AW attacker.

    Let's keep a fact check, wait 1 year and see how many of you actually rank him up and use him to clear content. Alright? No chance of knowing that.

    Let's see how many time he gets put into
    5 or 6 star feature list.
    Let's see his demeand.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,856 ★★★★★
    The other option: 5.

    I like the buff, but
    a) would need to pull the five star
    b) get him awakened for the nice damage

    It was a good buff all things considered
  • ConnectConnect Posts: 172
    Yellowjacket is a decent champ if you know how to use him in the jubilee arcade he was decent this is before the update so I was using my rank1 6* often enough.

    He now has a better pi than my undupe thing so using him more I like him think the buffs are a good improvement n haven’t regressed the champ in anyway he blocks better n like me I only have 2x 6* so from being a champ I hardly used to now being the science champ I’ll play with more often unless I need to take a bleed immune then I’ll swap with thing

    I don’t have a major champ selection n many are like me so having a decent champ is always better than having a champ that never gets used unless for the odd pvp battle
  • SantiagoEhsaanSantiagoEhsaan Posts: 124
    Group 4: all or nothing

    The other option: 5.

    I like the buff, but
    a) would need to pull the five star
    b) get him awakened for the nice damage

    It was a good buff all things considered

    spidey i didnt want to comment in the meme thread...but can you give the link to where it is mentioned that sp3 sting doesn't stack...?
  • DeeparviDeeparvi Posts: 159 ★★
    Group 1: Smart bois
    Actually Yellow Jacket has more effectiveness on defense rather than offense, Bcoz you just can't CORVUS OUT or Ghost out this champ as he takes 75% less damage from special attacks, but hence I thi m he should be ranked up only if you are going to place him in war??
  • Haji_SaabHaji_Saab Posts: 5,796 ★★★★★
    Gonna take him up on 2nd account as a heal block option... let's see how it goes from there
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