Is Hela the best damage dealer in the game with the new synergy?

KDSuperFlash10

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

The abyss team is pretty unrealistic tbh, but I can see it being done.

The_Sentry06

KDSuperFlash10 said:

Mcdonalds said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CG COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

This truly is Op

Bet you're still gonna have people saying "ok she hits 230k mediums bUt CaN sHe TaCkLe do you bleed?"

But that's still a valid point...

Etjama

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

H3t3r

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Etjama

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny. Okay there are more problems I didn't even mention. You'd have to Quake Mordo which isn't plausible with his power gain.

slacker

Someone need to get this girl an angela's tune up buff

H3t3r

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny.

They aren't NEEDED. They just make her easier and less risky to play.

slacker

Etjama said:

Valmarx said:

Seatin solod Abyss right now with her and uploaded a vid with her
people clown around here with some utility talk LOL

You could very well be the biggest clown on the forums right now. Go away.

(For those that see this and just think I'm being toxic, take a look around at this guy's comments. He's an absolute troll.)

I thought i the only one who think his comment is somewhat "annoy"...

Etjama

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny.

They aren't NEEDED. They just make her easier and less risky to play.

They are needed in Abyss, dude. One hit in Abyss almost always means stun lock and death. There isn't a single player that can heavy intercept with her reliably enough to solo Abyss fights without getting hit. Bringing her in without the evade charges would be like begging for Abyss to take every single one of your units.

H3t3r

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny.

They aren't NEEDED. They just make her easier and less risky to play.

They are needed in Abyss, dude. One hit in Abyss almost always means stun lock and death. There isn't a single player that can heavy intercept with her reliably enough to solo Abyss fights without getting hit. Bringing her in without the evade charges would be like begging for Abyss to take every single one of your units.

Ever heard of parry? Since there's no limber you can parry us much as you want. As well heavy intercepting with heavy and even some specials. Again she's just a very difficult champ to master similar to tigra. Will she be an potion sink absolutely. Is she the best option for abyss obviously not.

BitterSteel

KDSuperFlash10 said:

Mcdonalds said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CG COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

This truly is Op

Bet you're still gonna have people saying "ok she hits 230k mediums bUt CaN sHe TaCkLe do you bleed?"

Well yeah, it’s really nice in theory to have that damage. But it’s not realistic. Going through all of 6.4 you look at the paths and you just realise Hela isn’t good enough for this sort of content.

6.4.1 only path she can realistically do is the Thermostat one and that’ll take a pretty big playstyle change.

She can’t handle limber, gimme, biohazard, bezereker barage or do you bleed.

6.4.2 she could do the long distance relationship, power sting path and typhoon paths, but then again, so can every champion in the game. She can’t handle footloose, tunnel vision or special connoisseur

6.4.3 she can handle true strike path or clap back. Two of the easiest paths that can be done by anyone. She can’t handle the poison path, spite path, stun reflection or special 3 bias.


Do you see the pattern emerging? She can only do the easy paths that any other champion can do. Sure, she will do them very well. But any node that adds a layer of complexity above true strike, long distance relationship or power sting she just won’t be useful for.

Any hard node in the game, or niche node that requires some utility will absolutely rule hela out.

At least CGR has his armour break, buff control, vigilance, power gain, energy attacks, incinerate on top of his crazy damage. Which just his damage he wouldn’t be half the champ he is, plus his damage is very realistic. Hela requires a hell of a risky play, which just doesn’t make sense in today’s game.

Etjama

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny.

They aren't NEEDED. They just make her easier and less risky to play.

They are needed in Abyss, dude. One hit in Abyss almost always means stun lock and death. There isn't a single player that can heavy intercept with her reliably enough to solo Abyss fights without getting hit. Bringing her in without the evade charges would be like begging for Abyss to take every single one of your units.

Ever heard of parry? Since there's no limber you can parry us much as you want. As well heavy intercepting with heavy and even some specials. Again she's just a very difficult champ to master similar to tigra. Will she be an potion sink absolutely. Is she the best option for abyss obviously not.

Forget best, the problem is that she's not even a secondary option. If Hela is someone's best option for Abyss, they're probably in Act 4 and shouldn't even be looking at Abyss at all.

H3t3r

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny.

They aren't NEEDED. They just make her easier and less risky to play.

They are needed in Abyss, dude. One hit in Abyss almost always means stun lock and death. There isn't a single player that can heavy intercept with her reliably enough to solo Abyss fights without getting hit. Bringing her in without the evade charges would be like begging for Abyss to take every single one of your units.

Ever heard of parry? Since there's no limber you can parry us much as you want. As well heavy intercepting with heavy and even some specials. Again she's just a very difficult champ to master similar to tigra. Will she be an potion sink absolutely. Is she the best option for abyss obviously not.

Forget best, the problem is that she's not even a secondary option. If Hela is someone's best option for Abyss, they're probably in Act 4 and shouldn't even be looking at Abyss at all.

All I'm trying to say is if someone is desperate enough they have another option.

buffajr

I would assume this is gonna be toned down severely before release. But the videos should help sell the Odin crystals today.

KDSuperFlash10

buffajr said:

I would assume this is gonna be toned down severely before release. But the videos should help sell the Odin crystals today.

It shouldn't get toned down tho. It's obviously a very impractical setup, and you need 4 team slots to have it semi-safe, in which you'll still be taking hits most likely. High risk for high reward playstyle.

UnidentifiedCreature

Mr_Holl87 said:

SpideyFunko said:

only problem is the utility or lack there of

Do you really NEED utility though if you're casually hitting THAT hard on just mediums without crits? Like that's insane. (The damage is insane, you wanting utility is not insane. Just to clarify. Lol)

Utility, imo, is something that can either make or break characters. I think that utility matters more than anything. Good characters are always a perfect combination of utility and damage.

Rbk19

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny. Okay there are more problems I didn't even mention. You'd have to Quake Mordo which isn't plausible with his power gain.

You get only 3 evade charge how it's going to help for whole fight, seatin always takes Nick and quake synergy for testing champions so it's not mandatory

Numan

You guys do realise that most of these YouTubers are trying to get these fights done as fast as possible
Realistically you could just parry gain 3 furies, do it till you get a decent number and go ham

Wiredawg1

Best can be seen In game? Probably...but there is a champ who’s full damage can’t be hit yet in game. That’s proxima

Wakandas_Finest

Unpopular opinion: utility in a single champ is overrated there I said it. People act as if you’re going to use a single champ for every single fight in all content. There is a reason you get 5 slots for your questing team. Of course there are going to be paths and encounters she can’t do but guess what the same is true for every single champ in the game idc how much utility they have in their base kit. Stop acting like utility is the end all for determining whether or not a champ is good or not

Wakandas_Finest

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

Etjama said:

H3t3r said:

KDSuperFlash10 said:

CGR COME OUTSIDE

But fr tho this synergy makes Hela the best damage dealer in the entire game, she can access broken OP numbers after like 30 seconds in the fight. People will say she needs utility and all but if you're just heavy spamming and launch a 230k medium attack you ignore a lot of things. She obviously could use utility without the synergy, as she is incredibly barren in that department, but this synergy does make her really, really good. A similar champion Renaissance to Cable with the Apocalypse synergy.

I think she's gonna be another option for the abyss mainly. Also incursions.

Big no to Abyss. Hela, Odin, Quake, and Nick leaves one more slot. That slot's gotta go to a Mystic to deal with the Cosmics. That not only means you're stuck Quaking Mephisto and Thing, it also means that you've quite possibly got the worst team in history for the Abyss Collector.

All you really need is Odin and hela. Quake and nick are just there for ease of use. So you could do like Odin,hela, torch, sym and maybe corvus. Thing would obviously be the hardest fight on the path.

Nick and Quake are needed for the evade charges. Try using Hela in Abyss without them and you're going to get absolutely destroyed, especially since you can get stun-locked. There are so many better Abyss options than her, it's not even funny.

They aren't NEEDED. They just make her easier and less risky to play.

They are needed in Abyss, dude. One hit in Abyss almost always means stun lock and death. There isn't a single player that can heavy intercept with her reliably enough to solo Abyss fights without getting hit. Bringing her in without the evade charges would be like begging for Abyss to take every single one of your units.

Lol you obviously have no experience with hela. You normally wouldn’t charge your heavy until it expires. Seatin only did it to ramp her up in the fastest way possible in order to showcase her damage potential. In the abyss, with no limber node, you’d parry, charge heavy and release it right before the stun expires and still gain multiple furies. It will take slightly longer to ramp her up but I can see a skilled hela player still getting those abyss solos just like Seatin did in his other video. Also maxed limber mastery pretty much prevents stun locks by the AI in the abyss.

The_Sentry06

Wakandas_Finest said:

Unpopular opinion: utility in a single champ is overrated there I said it. People act as if you’re going to use a single champ for every single fight in all content. There is a reason you get 5 slots for your questing team. Of course there are going to be paths and encounters she can’t do but guess what the same is true for every single champ in the game idc how much utility they have in their base kit. Stop acting like utility is the end all for determining whether or not a champ is good or not

And there's a reason why not many people use those utility-less champions as much as other champions who have great utility and damage (ex: Ghost, Prof X, Apoc, Doom, HT, Void). Plus you have to bring Odin along who is still fairly new and doesn't bring anything to the table. I'm not saying she is bad, no she is quite good now but people are over-reacting to this and are now thinking that she is some one-size-fits all solution to the game.

Will3808

The issue is in most fights it’s really hard to get max damage. She’s always been that way if you can heavy intercept well but now it’s easier.

bruhmomento69

bad matchups:
buff up
symbiote supreme
stagger nodes
thorns
safe guard
good match ups:
practically anything else tbh
Do you bleed
diss track
debuff required nodes

She's like a mix of a cgr and sunspot: Sunspot mix by not having a lot of utillity and the cgr mix is she is so much more practical with odin and shows her full potential and makes the ramp-up way easier.

TheTalents

Hela is not practical to use and irrelevant. Once everyone gets over the big shiny numbers on a couple of easy fights like quake and omega red who are super easy to deal with all the hype will die down. Anybody who disagrees name me the game mode where Hela will dominant?