Should every Cosmic Champion Have An Armor Break Ability?

Drew_D23

The_Sentry06

Yes

Why not?
Ramp-up abilities should be removed from cosmics though.

TrashyPanda

No

The class-role system constricts champ design too much; they should just scrap the whole idea. Let a character's abilities fit the character, not their archetype.

I'll accept that it's too late in the game to just scrap it, but plenty of science characters could nullify buffs, and many skill characters could break armor, and etc.

Corkscrew

No

Don't make every champ have to come out of a cookie cutter for the base abilities of that class. Let it fit with the character design (and preferably source material as well).

Raichu626

No

TrashyPanda said:

The class-role system constricts champ design too much; they should just scrap the whole idea. Let a character's abilities fit the character, not their archetype.

I'll accept that it's too late in the game to just scrap it, but plenty of science characters could nullify buffs, and many skill characters could break armor, and etc.

What does "nullify buffs" even mean tho? Outside of mcoc, "Scarlet Witch has the ability to nullify buffs" is a completely nonsensical statement.

Yes, a champ's abilities should fit the character first and not the class. Absolutely agree, don't force abilities on champs that don't fit them. But easily 80% of characters have powers that can't be translated 1:1 into the game. I think it makes sense to base how stuff like matter manipulation or chaos magic works in-game on the class a champ is in, and not just what the champ could realistically do with it (in this example that would be literally anything they can think of).

Otherwise the game would either be incredibly chaotic, with all kinds of powers working in random different ways based on nothing but dice rolls, or Dormammu would be the unquestioned Contest Kind for all eternity.

ItsDamien

No

Raichu626 said:

TrashyPanda said:

The class-role system constricts champ design too much; they should just scrap the whole idea. Let a character's abilities fit the character, not their archetype.

I'll accept that it's too late in the game to just scrap it, but plenty of science characters could nullify buffs, and many skill characters could break armor, and etc.

What does "nullify buffs" even mean tho? Outside of mcoc, "Scarlet Witch has the ability to nullify buffs" is a completely nonsensical statement.

Yes, a champ's abilities should fit the character first and not the class. Absolutely agree, don't force abilities on champs that don't fit them. But easily 80% of characters have powers that can't be translated 1:1 into the game. I think it makes sense to base how stuff like matter manipulation or chaos magic works in-game on the class a champ is in, and not just what the champ could realistically do with it (in this example that would be literally anything they can think of).

Otherwise the game would either be incredibly chaotic, with all kinds of powers working in random different ways based on nothing but dice rolls, or Dormammu would be the unquestioned Contest Kind for all eternity.

Scarlet Witch is the worst example you could have given.

In the comics SW removed most mutants powers with a few words. Thus she nullified their abilities. There's some precedent for something being nullified outside of just the game.

TrashyPanda

No

@Raichu626

I'm not looking for a 1:1, though; that'd be impractical. Champ abilities inspired by a character's attributes first, then the archetype.

The whole rock-paper-scissors thing is fine until you have too many rocks and run out of scissors. Then you either gotta settle for some janky novelty scissors you found at the thrift store, or you start labeling your excess rocks as scissors.

Rocks don't make very good scissors.

Raichu626

No

TrashyPanda said:

@Raichu626

I'm not looking for a 1:1, though; that'd be impractical. Champ abilities inspired by a character's attributes first, then the archetype.

The whole rock-paper-scissors thing is fine until you have too many rocks and run out of scissors. Then you either gotta settle for some janky novelty scissors you found at the thrift store, or you start labeling your excess rocks as scissors.

Rocks don't make very good scissors.

Maybe I'm forgetting some champ, but I'm not sure if this ever happened in the game. I agree with you in general, I just don't think it's too restrictive. At least so far, it wasn't.

(Tho I am worried about skill champs based on some things Kabam has said and done with newer/buffed skills)