I sell 4* champs.

I know this will be blasphemy to some of you. But selling 4* champs if they aren't duped isn't the end of the world. I honestly believe its a decent idea, But only if you take them to r3 first and you can afford to waste the other resources that it cost to rank them.
You net more 5* shards by selling champs at r3 than you would by pulling the same champ 6 times.
There are several champs out there that I take to r3 for level up events and immediately sell for the shards. Mags mn, she-hulk, SG, OML, Joe Fix it, Ms M (KK) and the list goes on.

The name of the game now is to maximize 5* shards. And this is how I do it.

Example
She hulk r3 sold for 425 shards x 6 = 2550 5* shards

She hulk pulled and duped 6 times= 275 x 5 =1375 5* shards
then at max sig you (potentially not guaranteed) would get 275 more shards per pull with the max sig crystal = 550 shards
So you would have to pull She hulk 8 times to equal the same amount of shards and selling her 6 times.
If you sold her 8 times you would still be at 3400 shards, so you still would be ahead a thousand shards.

Basically selling 4*champs are only worth it if they are at r3.
I however don't think selling them at r4 is worth it with the current shortage of t4b and t1a.

I am now bracing for the sure to ensue roasting.

Comments

Fluffy

Heretic! Crazy Person!

I have never fallen in with the "never sell champs" Cult. I consistently sell 3* champs to get shards. I don't need a math major to come in here and tell me how I am costing my team X points in SA.

Waynedavy

Or you could build up a strong 4* roster and do arena and get way more 4* and 5* shards easily

GroundedWisdom

It's entirely up to you if you want to sell. I disagree that it's worth more. The Rewards long-term are more if you don't sell, but.....it's your choice. No roast.

Qwerty

hope you weren't one of the people who complained about the 300k rated adjustment packages.

Thawnim

The only problem with selling 4*s, even at rank 3, is that you do not get back the gold and t1a that are used to rank them up and level them up. For a newer player and even for some of the higher rated players both can be limited resources and bottlenecks to continued growth. Plus you actually net more ISO as a newer player duping 4*s repeatedly.

Stewman

@Qwerty I am almost 500k now and was well pass 300K at the 12.0 update

Stewman

@Thawnim Last I checked a 4* to rank 3 does NOT cost any alphas at all.
but I agree this method isn't a good idea for a newer player.

NormanBJJ

Stewman wrote: »

@Thawnim Last I checked a 4* to rank 3 does NOT cost any alphas at all.
but I agree this method isn't a good idea for a newer player.

it does take alphas to take a 4 star to rank 3

Waynedavy

Well if you are that high rated I'm pretty sure you are fine on arena then lol

Raganator

I sell unduped 4* (r3 or less) that are coming in the basic area all the time. It makes sense. If I awaken them in the basic arena to lvl1, I still need to dupe them 5X before I start getting max sig crystals. Sold my Groot this week in fact, who was R3 unduped.

Stewman

My bad you sure are right. It does take one alpha.

Dexman1349

Stewman wrote: »

@Thawnim Last I checked a 4* to rank 3 does NOT cost any alphas at all.
but I agree this method isn't a good idea for a newer player.

That is incorrect. You need 1 T1A to go from R2 to R3.

LocoMotives

Stewman wrote: »

@Thawnim Last I checked a 4* to rank 3 does NOT cost any alphas at all.
but I agree this method isn't a good idea for a newer player.

A single alpha per champ to get to r3. I agree with you, by the way. Sounds like no detriment to your play style so a good choice.

Thawnim

Stewman wrote: »

@Thawnim Last I checked a 4* to rank 3 does NOT cost any alphas at all.
but I agree this method isn't a good idea for a newer player.

How much gold do you actually get back when selling though?

Stewman

Hey guys I already admitted that I was wrong on the alpha. I have never been 100% alpha broke, so I guess I just never thought about it.

Stewman

Considering every 4* I have is r3 already

Vis123456789

so I sell as well whatever rank they are if i dont need them at all. i sell 1-4 stars but the problem is i am left with 20 champions and 50k only.

LeNoirFaineant

I have no problem having a few 4*s that get sold regularly. I've sold Joe Fixit at 3/30 4 times. The 1st time was to fill out my first 5* crystal and it was back in the willpower days when he was truly terrible. I pulled a 5* SL and have been selling Fixit ever since.

whaler213

i never have enough cats to get my champs up to r3 etc i still have a few 4* sitting at r1 or r2 (ive stopped taking 4* to r3 because of the alphas) and i still havent done all my 2/3*'s either (im an over 400k account) i wouldnt sell my champs just because its not worth it to me to have to worry about releveling them and everything else involved

Zoddymam

I sold before got bored with all my three star champs I never use and half my fours and did a clearance. Was fun at the time and got two five stars out of it but kind of regret doing it mostly because i got to rerank them all as they come back to at least 3/30. To either sell again or arena bench sitters and it gets pricey i dont think i will resell again

Dexman1349

I've debated selling a few champs simply because they literally have zero fighting value. I won't rank up a few of them (like fixit and Spidergwen) because they are garbage champs. Some champs are even horrible in arenas because their debuffs trigger crazy willpower regen on the AI (like Luke Cage and OG Capt America).

The only reason to keep them is the fact that they generate so much class ISO when duped. I'll even use my extra Science ISO from duping Fixit to level up my Mystic champs.

Vossler77

I do the same. Don't even keep 3* anymore. This idea that having a high hero rating makes you much better is total BS.

Tylaw07

T1a youbget all the time

vinniegainz

Zoddymam wrote: »

I sold before got bored with all my three star champs I never use and half my fours and did a clearance. Was fun at the time and got two five stars out of it but kind of regret doing it mostly because i got to rerank them all as they come back to at least 3/30. To either sell again or arena bench sitters and it gets pricey i dont think i will resell again

Fixit is fun with max DW. Very underrated.

RagamugginGunner

The shards are totally not worth wasting an alpha.

LeNoirFaineant

vinniegainz wrote: »

Zoddymam wrote: »

I sold before got bored with all my three star champs I never use and half my fours and did a clearance. Was fun at the time and got two five stars out of it but kind of regret doing it mostly because i got to rerank them all as they come back to at least 3/30. To either sell again or arena bench sitters and it gets pricey i dont think i will resell again

Fixit is fun with max DW. Very underrated.

Fixit may be fun now but I am committed to always selling him so I'll never know.

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DHCVoLt

Did you do 2nd grade math? You get 425 5* shards for selling a 3/30. For one dupe you get 275 2 is 550. 6 isn’t more? What????

DNA3000

Stewman wrote: »

I am now bracing for the sure to ensue roasting.

Actually, I think it is always good to question the premises that other people make. People should think about what the game options are for themselves and make calculated decisions instead of just doing what they think everyone else does.

Looking at your analysis, I have some observations. First, taking your assumptions at face value, ignoring for the moment the costs to upgrade to rank 3 (I've read the rest of the thread, don't worry) your selling strategy earns 425 shards per pull. Holding and duping generates zero shards for the first pull, 275 shards for the next five pulls, and then 550 shards for every pull after that. Under those conditions it will take fifteen total pulls (approximately) for the pull and hold strategy to break even (15*425 = 6375, 0 + 5*275 + 9*550 = 6325, pull sixteen overtakes).

Over long enough timescales the pull and hold strategy eventually overtakes the rank and sell strategy, but how long it takes to overtake is the question. For most players today, that would be a very long time. But we don't know how easy it will get to earn 4* champions as the game progresses. It is already much faster than it was two years ago and one year ago. it is hard to say with certainty that this is an astronomically long time.

And this analysis doesn't account for 4* signature stones. We are presuming that it takes six pulls to max a champion. But we can very easily reduce that to five if we just put some stones into the champs after they are awakened. Duping has a bit of inefficiency: when you dup a sig 80 the sig goes to 99 and you do not get a max signature stone. If we put 19 sig stones into the champion we can push it so that in five pulls you reach 99 and the next dup starts earning max signature stones.

There's also the arena. If a player grinds the arena the equation changes in a subtle way depending on how you grind. If you grind for basics and get the basic twice, the non-seller gets the champ (if they don't have it) and then only gets one signature level upon awakening. The seller gets to sell twice. Advantage: seller. But if the grinder only gets the basic once, there's a subtle advantage to the holder: because the player is earning 4* champions faster by grinding, they are accelerating towards the break even point between the two strategies faster.

I think if we only look at the 5* shard situation, both strategies can make a case for being reasonable strategies. But there is one extra catch, and that's what the thread discussed earlier: rank 3 requires an alpha. This is significant because of what we are discussing: trying to maximize the number of 5* shards, and thus 5* champions.

5* champions are alpha-hungry. It takes 5 alphas to rank a 5* to rank 2, another 5 alphas to get to rank 3, and 6 more to get to rank 4. 5* champions rip through alphas very fast. So any strategy for acquiring 5* shards that burns through alpha catalysts might create a problem down the road. The selling strategy burns a little more than 23 alphas to generate the equivalent of one 5* basic crystal. If you have a ton of alphas, this might be a reasonable exchange once or twice, but I don't think it is sustainable. I personally earn 4* champions faster than I earn alpha catalysts, so it would not be a sustainable strategy for me, and if I were to employ it aggressively then when I actually did draw a 5* worth ranking it could take a large amount of time to replenish the alpha cats necessary to do so.

Bottom line: does your strategy work? In the short term, it does. It earns 5* shards faster than holding and duping in the short and medium term. But a player that intends to play on long time scales probably shouldn't do this, because the strategy has a decent chance of being hurt by future changes to the availability of 4* champs which can only go upward. And it is an unsustainable strategy that puts the player in a tough position if they actually draw a 5* worth ranking, which appears to be the point of the strategy in the first place. Conclusion: it mathematically works, but only in a narrow set of circumstances that a player should really think about carefully before actually doing it, because there's lots of opportunities for regret later.

GroundedWisdom

I've sold 3 times in my career. Once was Vision because I got impatient for a 4*. Then he was buffed, and I had to Grind to replace him. Second time was for my first 5*. Sold 5 Base Level 4*s. One was Mags. Rolled a 5* Mags. A week later we were given 2000 Shards for Appreciation. Lol. The final one was an R3 War Machine that I sold for my second 5*. He's since been replaced and Duped. I have one left to replace. I'll never sell again. I don't judge those that choose to. I just suggest people don't. It's up to them. Rewards are worth more long-term, but it's entirely their choice.