Iron Patriot Really That Bad?

Ok aside from his hideous looks.. what is so bad about the poor iron patriot? He gets so much hate. I mean if we are going to be honest he is one of the best iron mans.. Now let’s compare assuming they are all awakened..
Iron Man- Armor, Armor Break, Regen
Sup. Iron Man- Armor, Armor Break, Regen
Hulk buster- Armor, Armor Break
War Machine- Armor, Armor Break, Fury, Bleed
Ultron- Bleed, Stun, Evade, Armor, Regen, Cauterized
Iron Patriot- Armor, Regen, Armor Break, Stun, Bleed

Now Ultron is probably the best in this list or is very close to iron patriot. But I just want to know why everyone hates this champ so much..? Is there something I am missing?

Comments

Lfer58

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

AgentEdward

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Actually with his special 3 and occasionaly his Special 2 does.

Irakli

if his break and stun had 100%chance he'd be way better

winterthur

After regen, his is like a sitting duck.

After that, his suit burns out and cannot trigger Armor Up, Armor Break or Stun and loses all base Armor.

AgentEdward

Irakli wrote: »

if his break and stun had 100%chance he'd be way better

Yeah but from what I see he has around a 70% chance to armor break and stun which isn’t that bad. Do agree 100% chance would make him much better though.

MegaSkater67

AgentEdward wrote: »

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Actually with his special 3 and occasionaly his Special 2 does.

No he doesn’t. He can only stun and armour break with specials. War machine has bleed with his first and third specials and ultron has bleed on normal attacks. But iron patriot has no form of bleed at all. People tend to hate on them because they’re all so similar. Same movesets and similar abilities. But unlike iron man or sim, iron patriot gets a burnout after his arc overload. So he takes more damage and can no longer inflict stun or armour break so his own damage output also drops. So if you’re trying to use him as a Regen champ to get your health back on the next fight of a quest, he will be very basic and have no abilities at all. That’s why he gets more hate than the other variants, before the Regen I’d say he’s pretty average. Stun and armour break is ok but nothing special imo.

Also, the power gain he gets on his arc overload isn’t particularly useful because he loses the armour break on specials when it ends. So if you don’t use it before arc overload expires you lose damage on the special.

Toxin

Ultron god, sim /im ok, rest garbage

AgentEdward

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

AgentEdward wrote: »

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Actually with his special 3 and occasionaly his Special 2 does.

No he doesn’t. He can only stun and armour break with specials. War machine has bleed with his first and third specials and ultron has bleed on normal attacks. But iron patriot has no form of bleed at all. People tend to hate on them because they’re all so similar. Same movesets and similar abilities. But unlike iron man or sim, iron patriot gets a burnout after his arc overload. So he takes more damage and can no longer inflict stun or armour break so his own damage output also drops. So if you’re trying to use him as a Regen champ to get your health back on the next fight of a quest, he will be very basic and have no abilities at all. That’s why he gets more hate than the other variants, before the Regen I’d say he’s pretty average. Stun and armour break is ok but nothing special imo.

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Ok so I have to admit that I did make a mistake with the Bleed.. Me and my buddy both saw him put Bleed on someone with his special 3 but it says it nowhere when you look at iron patriots info. Maybe it was a glitch but when I saw him Bleed the other day that was one of things that caught my interest with iron patriot. But set aside the Bleed I still don’t think he is that bad.

MegaSkater67

AgentEdward wrote: »

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

AgentEdward wrote: »

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Actually with his special 3 and occasionaly his Special 2 does.

No he doesn’t. He can only stun and armour break with specials. War machine has bleed with his first and third specials and ultron has bleed on normal attacks. But iron patriot has no form of bleed at all. People tend to hate on them because they’re all so similar. Same movesets and similar abilities. But unlike iron man or sim, iron patriot gets a burnout after his arc overload. So he takes more damage and can no longer inflict stun or armour break so his own damage output also drops. So if you’re trying to use him as a Regen champ to get your health back on the next fight of a quest, he will be very basic and have no abilities at all. That’s why he gets more hate than the other variants, before the Regen I’d say he’s pretty average. Stun and armour break is ok but nothing special imo.

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Ok so I have to admit that I did make a mistake with the Bleed.. Me and my buddy both saw him put Bleed on someone with his special 3 but it says it nowhere when you look at iron patriots info. Maybe it was a glitch but when I saw him Bleed the other day that was one of things that caught my interest with iron patriot. But set aside the Bleed I still don’t think he is that bad.

Was you in arena or AW or something? Probably suicide masteries.

neb

Ultron has double immunes.

AgentEdward

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

AgentEdward wrote: »

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

AgentEdward wrote: »

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Actually with his special 3 and occasionaly his Special 2 does.

No he doesn’t. He can only stun and armour break with specials. War machine has bleed with his first and third specials and ultron has bleed on normal attacks. But iron patriot has no form of bleed at all. People tend to hate on them because they’re all so similar. Same movesets and similar abilities. But unlike iron man or sim, iron patriot gets a burnout after his arc overload. So he takes more damage and can no longer inflict stun or armour break so his own damage output also drops. So if you’re trying to use him as a Regen champ to get your health back on the next fight of a quest, he will be very basic and have no abilities at all. That’s why he gets more hate than the other variants, before the Regen I’d say he’s pretty average. Stun and armour break is ok but nothing special imo.

Lfer58 wrote: »

Iron patriot doesn’t do bleed

Ok so I have to admit that I did make a mistake with the Bleed.. Me and my buddy both saw him put Bleed on someone with his special 3 but it says it nowhere when you look at iron patriots info. Maybe it was a glitch but when I saw him Bleed the other day that was one of things that caught my interest with iron patriot. But set aside the Bleed I still don’t think he is that bad.

Was you in arena or AW or something? Probably suicide masteries.

Yeah I was playing in arena. Your probably right about the mastery.

CammonRo

IP used to be truly terrible. His signature was increased armor before he dies. That's it. Then they added the power gain/health gain/burnout thing. Better but still not there.

Now I like the concept of IP's burnout. Like he's laying it all on the line - very Norman Osbornish - before he loses the fight - but there should be more payoff. Like maybe faster power gain (like Hype or Deadpool) or even better, give him unblockable specials during power gain, combined with one last stack of armor at the end of his overload that you have to get hit to lose - similar to War Machine - before total burnout. It also would be nice if this sig were staggered - i.e. he could start power gain at 15% health and regen at 10%. But again whatever they do - there should be better pay off for the burn out.

Black Bolt also has this problem. His L2 self inflicting recoil is utter bogus. I never use it unless I'm in arena. Maybe back in the day that was considered heavy damage but now it just doesn't cut it. The loss of health is a very bad trade. BB's L2 should guarantee crit (like Sym Spidey) and it should be unblockable (like Loki) in order to make it worth using. Or just remove the built in recoil. It's dumb.

DaMunk

SIM is by far the best iron man. In every way possible except stun. Yes IP sucks that bad. None of them are close to ultron

MadMarks

If you like SIM or IM, then Iron Patriot is much better ONLY if he is duped to a high level. Regen is virtually the same at high levels, IP has 50% more armor bonus, and 50% more armor break. He also power gains and stuns during regen. So most of the time when play IM or SIM in AQ you dance around to get that regen then try to finish the fight off. IP is better at that because 90% of the time you just drop and L3 once the power gain takes over. Plus IP has the highest prestige of the group, not as high as ultron but ultron is not in the same group, his regen rate is super slow and his hits are weak. Only reason ultron is preferred is because he is a rare champ that is poison immune, bleed immune AND regens.
IP hits the hardest of the group, if I could downrank my IM from r4 to r3 and up rank my IP i would.

Gamer

MadMarks wrote: »

If you like SIM or IM, then Iron Patriot is much better ONLY if he is duped to a high level. Regen is virtually the same at high levels, IP has 50% more armor bonus, and 50% more armor break. He also power gains and stuns during regen. So most of the time when play IM or SIM in AQ you dance around to get that regen then try to finish the fight off. IP is better at that because 90% of the time you just drop and L3 once the power gain takes over. Plus IP has the highest prestige of the group, not as high as ultron but ultron is not in the same group, his regen rate is super slow and his hits are weak. Only reason ultron is preferred is because he is a rare champ that is poison immune, bleed immune AND regens.
IP hits the hardest of the group, if I could downrank my IM from r4 to r3 and up rank my IP i would.

What ultron is not rare. Only this ultron ther in Lol. And he is. Not good

MegaSkater67

Gamer wrote: »

MadMarks wrote: »

If you like SIM or IM, then Iron Patriot is much better ONLY if he is duped to a high level. Regen is virtually the same at high levels, IP has 50% more armor bonus, and 50% more armor break. He also power gains and stuns during regen. So most of the time when play IM or SIM in AQ you dance around to get that regen then try to finish the fight off. IP is better at that because 90% of the time you just drop and L3 once the power gain takes over. Plus IP has the highest prestige of the group, not as high as ultron but ultron is not in the same group, his regen rate is super slow and his hits are weak. Only reason ultron is preferred is because he is a rare champ that is poison immune, bleed immune AND regens.
IP hits the hardest of the group, if I could downrank my IM from r4 to r3 and up rank my IP i would.

What ultron is not rare. Only this ultron ther in Lol. And he is. Not good

Not that ultron is a rare champ. I think he meant that bleed immunity, poison immunity and healing is a rare combination of abilities for one character to have all in one. Dormammu could be argued to have the same, but his Regen is less reliable and much harder to pull off.

ForumGuy

Am I the only one who swears they remember IP placing bleeds in his special 3 back then? I swear he had it, he was my 2nd 4* and that was like 2 years ago.

MegaSkater67

ForumGuy wrote: »

Am I the only one who swears they remember IP placing bleeds in his special 3 back then? I swear he had it, he was my 2nd 4* and that was like 2 years ago.

Think he was the first ever 3* I won in an arena when he was new but I don’t ever remember him having bleed of any kind.

ForumGuy

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

ForumGuy wrote: »

Am I the only one who swears they remember IP placing bleeds in his special 3 back then? I swear he had it, he was my 2nd 4* and that was like 2 years ago.

Think he was the first ever 3* I won in an arena when he was new but I don’t ever remember him having bleed of any kind.

I swear he did man.

Gamer

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

Gamer wrote: »

MadMarks wrote: »

If you like SIM or IM, then Iron Patriot is much better ONLY if he is duped to a high level. Regen is virtually the same at high levels, IP has 50% more armor bonus, and 50% more armor break. He also power gains and stuns during regen. So most of the time when play IM or SIM in AQ you dance around to get that regen then try to finish the fight off. IP is better at that because 90% of the time you just drop and L3 once the power gain takes over. Plus IP has the highest prestige of the group, not as high as ultron but ultron is not in the same group, his regen rate is super slow and his hits are weak. Only reason ultron is preferred is because he is a rare champ that is poison immune, bleed immune AND regens.
IP hits the hardest of the group, if I could downrank my IM from r4 to r3 and up rank my IP i would.

What ultron is not rare. Only this ultron ther in Lol. And he is. Not good

Not that ultron is a rare champ. I think he meant that bleed immunity, poison immunity and healing is a rare combination of abilities for one character to have all in one. Dormammu could be argued to have the same, but his Regen is less reliable and much harder to pull off.

Yeah im wash to fast to read it. But dumaus is to and he Can reg to.

KhanMedina

IP is the best defender probably out of IM, SIM, and IP just because the power generation on overload. Put him on an Optimist node and hope someone pushes him into overload without draining power first. The bonuses at low health will keep him from being so squishy when it's over. The stuns on specials can be killers in war.

SlyCat42

The legit answer to your question besides niche situations where he is useful is that Iron Patriot is not actually the worst character in the game.

Iron Patriot is just very generalist and middle of the road. He doesn't excel at anything, nor does he do anything special. He just armors up, armor breaks, and stuns. All basic stuff, and he doesn't do any of it better than other champions. Iron Patriot is still good for questing and actually has a decent synergy between Miles Morales and classic Spiderman, but he won't enable you to do any more content than before just because you opened one.

I've seen a lot of people use him for AQ for example because he just overloads and heals up.

The current worst characters in the game are all "tank" characters because they have no place in the current system, I.E. Luke Cage, Hulkbuster, Colossus, etc.

Skimbobbor

it is not that he is bad its that everything he does, other champs do so much better

Magrailothos

The reason people hate him is because he seems to come out of PHCs about twice as often as any other champion.

He is actually okay, apart from looking like a clown; and if you don't have a large roster to choose from, he'll serve you well. But other champs are better overall.

Small point, but @MegaSkater67 criticised his burnout, suggesting he's basic in subsequent fights. That's not the case - if you get him to heal up just before finishing the game, he'll have all his usual abilities (plus the health) in the next fight.

MegaSkater67

Magrailothos wrote: »

The reason people hate him is because he seems to come out of PHCs about twice as often as any other champion.

He is actually okay, apart from looking like a clown; and if you don't have a large roster to choose from, he'll serve you well. But other champs are better overall.

Small point, but @MegaSkater67 criticised his burnout, suggesting he's basic in subsequent fights. That's not the case - if you get him to heal up just before finishing the game, he'll have all his usual abilities (plus the health) in the next fight.

Sorry that was bad wording on my part. Meant to say he’d be basic with no abilities for the remainder of the fight he’s in if he uses arc overload. But yeah if you get through with a decent amount of health left it resets for the next fight so it does have its uses.

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