Backdraft intercepts. Core mechanics broken?

Seraphion

I'm a seasoned war player and just a few min ago I fought vs a Nick who went unblockable.

Obviously you have to go for some kinda of intercept to find your openings.

When I did a MLL combo(only 2 L to not push him to SP1) I backdrafted (dash back and dash back in) he immediately dashed in and killed me.

I use backdrafts on a regular basis in all endgame content and I never encountered this. Is this known? Is it normal? Is it an AI change?

Obviously I didn't recorded any of this gameplay so you just have to take my word for it that I know what a backdraft is and that I wasn't too slow or something.

Ps: it was the rage node on mini boss Island

xLunatiXx

Backdraft intercepts with a medium is not safe. It works often but you are exposed to this kind of thing. You have to use light.

Negative_100

It doesn't always work lol
If they dash to you intercept with a light

Malreck04

Surprised that you never encountered this in endgame content. Enemy can punish you when backdrafting with a medium. Use lights.

Seraphion

xLunatiXx said:

Backdraft intercepts with a medium is not safe. It works often but you are exposed to this kind of thing. You have to use light.

I don't mean I got intercepted with a L.

He dashed into me before I could dash into him. I know that they can sidestep me or L intercept me. But that was not the point here

Seraphion

Malreck04 said:

Surprised that you never encountered this in endgame content. Enemy can punish you when backdrafting with a medium. Use lights.

I guess I was lucky then or had selected memories. I always thought they can't be faster than you with a M dash when you do a short combo.

But why do backdraft intercepts with mediums always work vs super agressive AI? Shouldn't they be faster than me?

Examples of that were Gauntlet Terrax, Gwenmaster, Gamemaster and the Collector.

I never had any problems vs them and I probably backdrafted them like 1.000 times with Ms.

Again I know dashback M is not safe bc ofc sidesteps or L intercepts but I never thought can faster dash in than me

danielmath

Seraphion said:

xLunatiXx said:

Backdraft intercepts with a medium is not safe. It works often but you are exposed to this kind of thing. You have to use light.

I don't mean I got intercepted with a L.

He dashed into me before I could dash into him. I know that they can sidestep me or L intercept me. But that was not the point here

I had this a few times in aq, even when backdrafting with a light

Pulyaman

If you have fought the apoc map 7 boss, he does this very often. If you do a MLLL, dash back and dash in, he shallow evades and then intercepts with a light, or simply intercepts with a light or dashes on immediately and intercepts with a medium. The last 2 I have no issue, the shallow evade is very annoying. Light intercept seems to be the only safe way now.

Seraphion

Yeah I should probably start using L intercepts more too. I wasn't the biggest fan of them till now.

I often wiffed 2 L attacks and then they smacked me 😅

Need more experience with them I guess.

xLunatiXx

If you whiff 2 lights I suggest not spamming your screen lol

Gamer

Nick medium is very fast I’m noticing that in the EQ. Like he received speeding abilities. And it’s backdraft itersup there’s problems it the speed of he before you can move there’s is a delay that’s why you’re dexterity sometimes failed to.

xNig

It’s the AI recovery time. Happens sometimes

Seraphion

Haji_Saab said:

That is the crux of the current bug that is going on : the AI dashes are too fast .. and that is what you have described ... this is why we are missing parries and our dexes are late

If that is the case then I'm glad. That would mean it is a bug and I'm not crazy

Hope it will get fixed then. Thx for the info 👍🏻

mortenhy

Seraphion said:

xLunatiXx said:

Backdraft intercepts with a medium is not safe. It works often but you are exposed to this kind of thing. You have to use light.

I don't mean I got intercepted with a L.

He dashed into me before I could dash into him. I know that they can sidestep me or L intercept me. But that was not the point here

I know exactly what you are talking about, I also experience this, and this is a "new thing", and it has nothing to do with you at all.

Hilbert_unbeatable2

Back draft intercept with light is way safer than same with medium
Light attacks are very fast and in case you mess up you have enough time to save yourself but in medium it's not.
It's possible but no guaranteed safety

Seraphion

mortenhy said:

Seraphion said:

xLunatiXx said:

Backdraft intercepts with a medium is not safe. It works often but you are exposed to this kind of thing. You have to use light.

I don't mean I got intercepted with a L.

He dashed into me before I could dash into him. I know that they can sidestep me or L intercept me. But that was not the point here

I know exactly what you are talking about, I also experience this, and this is a "new thing", and it has nothing to do with you at all.

Let's hope it is just a bug that comes with this broken parry stuff. Otherwise it wouldn't be cool.

Dawnbringer_1

This has been broken a while now, somehow everyone forgot about it. Kabam must have brainwash powers 👀

TheBair123

Dawnbringer_1 said:

This has been broken a while now, somehow everyone forgot about it. Kabam must have brainwash powers 👀

the only thing that's broken is your understanding of intercepts

Dawnbringer_1

TheBair123 said:

Dawnbringer_1 said:

This has been broken a while now, somehow everyone forgot about it. Kabam must have brainwash powers 👀

the only thing that's broken is your understanding of intercepts

Oh yeah? Then enlighten me, what don’t I understand.

TheBair123

Dawnbringer_1 said:

TheBair123 said:

Dawnbringer_1 said:

This has been broken a while now, somehow everyone forgot about it. Kabam must have brainwash powers 👀

the only thing that's broken is your understanding of intercepts

Oh yeah? Then enlighten me, what don’t I understand.

if you do a 3 hit combo, then dash back, then try and intercept with a medium, it does not always work. if you do a 3 hit combo, then dash back, then try and intercept with a light, it works more often.

Dawnbringer_1

TheBair123 said:

Dawnbringer_1 said:

TheBair123 said:

Dawnbringer_1 said:

This has been broken a while now, somehow everyone forgot about it. Kabam must have brainwash powers 👀

the only thing that's broken is your understanding of intercepts

Oh yeah? Then enlighten me, what don’t I understand.

if you do a 3 hit combo, then dash back, then try and intercept with a medium, it does not always work. if you do a 3 hit combo, then dash back, then try and intercept with a light, it works more often.

It don’t always works but it use to always work or at the very least you would hit their block so how is it I don’t understand lol. It seems you were not around back when it did. AI/champ animation speed has changed dramatically over the years, this current parry “bug” is no different.

Seraphion

TheBair123 said:

Dawnbringer_1 said:

TheBair123 said:

Dawnbringer_1 said:

This has been broken a while now, somehow everyone forgot about it. Kabam must have brainwash powers 👀

the only thing that's broken is your understanding of intercepts

Oh yeah? Then enlighten me, what don’t I understand.

if you do a 3 hit combo, then dash back, then try and intercept with a medium, it does not always work. if you do a 3 hit combo, then dash back, then try and intercept with a light, it works more often.

You are right this M dashback intercept doesn't always work. But the key point is what is the reason it failed?

Did they L intercept you or sidestep and then punish you? That is fine.

BUT if they dash at you faster than you can react with your M THEN it is not normal (after a short combo)

This is new and probably 1 of the side effects from the parry-bug stuff.

@TheBair123