Ghost Experts, I Have a few Questions
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If anyone’s read my most recent celebration post, you’d know that I know have a 5* Ghost. Unfortunately though, I’ve only had her as a 3* up until now and I’m relatively new to playing her as I never really used the 3* very often, so I’m in need of some help.
I currently have Ghost sitting at 5* r4 unduped and I also have 5* r2 Wasp and 6* r1 Hood, but I only have Ant-man as a 4*.
I have two 5* Generic AGs (no class) and can put 23 sigs into her immediately after awakening her. I know her sig is very beneficial but I’m unsure if I should awaken her yet due to how new I am to playing her. My first question is should I awaken Ghost before or after I learn her unduped playstyle?
As for my second question, where would be a good place to practice ghost? So far I’ve mainly been practicing in RoL, Act 6.1, and Act 5 (all with Wasp and Hood btw), but not much outside of that. I’m starting to get an understanding “let opponent miss once then retaliate with 4 combo and repeat until SP2,” but I’m still struggling with things like properly baiting specials, retaliating on light attack misses, and timing management on phase.
Thanks in advance!
I currently have Ghost sitting at 5* r4 unduped and I also have 5* r2 Wasp and 6* r1 Hood, but I only have Ant-man as a 4*.
I have two 5* Generic AGs (no class) and can put 23 sigs into her immediately after awakening her. I know her sig is very beneficial but I’m unsure if I should awaken her yet due to how new I am to playing her. My first question is should I awaken Ghost before or after I learn her unduped playstyle?
As for my second question, where would be a good place to practice ghost? So far I’ve mainly been practicing in RoL, Act 6.1, and Act 5 (all with Wasp and Hood btw), but not much outside of that. I’m starting to get an understanding “let opponent miss once then retaliate with 4 combo and repeat until SP2,” but I’m still struggling with things like properly baiting specials, retaliating on light attack misses, and timing management on phase.
Thanks in advance!
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Yes, full quantum team synergies .. but still ... 3* ...
I do consider myself a ghost main ... (not a great one .. but still) Of the synergy pieces, I'd rank them most useful in this order:
Wasp
Hood (more impact than wasp, but won't be needed as often )
Ant-man
Yellowjacket
So don't worry about it ... Ghost is really good on her own ... amazing with Wasp ... untouchable with Hood, and total monster once you complete the full set LOL I wouldn't go out of your way.
I definitely wouldn't use a generic on her ... she'll function perfectly fine unawakened ... the only thing awaken does is races her to sp2 faster ... so yes, handy, but not *that* handy Guess I already answered that above Act 5!! AIs is sufficiently aggressive to be good to practice .. I suspect if you watch my vids above, might help out with things like that
I’d also awaken ghost ASAP
I guess rank her before awakening but practice as if she is awakened (try to get more than one phased hit).
Also some champs can be more annoying then others with double hits as a part of their first one or 2 strikes so keep that in mind as well.
Here's why. Even higher end AI will never cooperate 100% of the time, of course. In fact, in the highest level encounters, I've seen them start exhibiting what I'd call "anti-Ghost behavior". In my opinion, one of the most important things to learn about playing Ghost is what do when the AI *doesn't* cooperate. It's a skill that separates beginners from advanced Ghost players. If you play ROL enough, and you learn a mastery of how to Ghost annoying AI, you'll be that much more comfortable in higher end content when they don't cooperate.
Learning Ghost is a great exercise in quickly identifying what the AI will likely do next and already knowing in advance what your response will be. You'll become more comfortable with your phase timer also. And develope some of your own rules of thumb, so to speak. For example, if the AI dashes back once, after I phase, I will let it play out and allow her to idle towards them. If they dash back a second time, you know to abort the phase and go into your preplanned alternate move. Whether it's a parry/heavy, a manual intercept or back off and wait for phase timer to reset. Depending on the situation. But yeah, all is to say I found ROL to be perfect for becoming comfortable with the AI not cooperating.
My recommendation is exactly what I did. Take her there with a full synergy team. Use only her, use sp2 every time you get 2 bars (this is where you'll need to learn recoil phase if you run Suicides) and see how far you can get. If you die, restart and go again. Potions are a nice byproduct of the practice. Until eventually you kill Hulk and finish the quest with her. When you reach Wolverine, it's a great opportunity to learn corner heavy spam, for example. I run Suicides, so doing these practice sessions forced me to learn recoil phase. As it's impossible to finish the entire quest without a mastery of recoil phase.
As for phasing multiple hits for power gain (duped), it's actually not necessary to get started learning her. I'd say, learn one and four hit combos, sp2 phase (for this I use right thumb to phase, every other phase I use left), recoil phase - if applicable (approximately half a second after Ghost returns to her feet is how I would describe the timing, though it just takes practice) and becoming comfortable with different AI behavior first. After you've mastered those things, you can move onto more advanced techniques. Such as phasing multiple hits, taking on Domino, fighting 2 hit medium champs..etc.
still not worth a generic
tech AG gem - sure .. generic, nah .. there's better options
I tried using her wherever possible. I tried in quests which offer me different types of nodes. I try against Hyperion's, Vision Aarkus ( And get wrecked very often), and nodes that give a lot of power, while I run the trinity. It helps us play well with the Hood synergy, and getting accustomed to the AI behaviors.
As much as people say that ROL is not the place for her, I personally think that's the place where I can practice against passive AI. It often is passive, and helps me learn news tricks as to what to do at such times.
For regular questing, I am now doing ACT 5 exploration with Ghost. It helps a lot, and I'd soon try using her in Act 6 too.
Archangel
Cpt. America IW
Corvus Glaive
Nick Fury
Omega Red
Stryfe
Vision (OG)
Void
Fair but I’m never gonna pull them. I also have zero sigs to put into Ægon as I put them all into Kingpin with zero regrets.
- Cap IW, Void
Already have awakened.
- Vision (OG)
No. Also never gonna buy the unit deals for him.
- Omega Red
Don’t care too much for him, don’t have sigs to put into him as I’d rather put them into Wolverine
- Stryfe
Have him, don’t care for him.
My ghosting has significantly improved in the last few days. I’m still definitely not the best out there, but ghosting has begun to feel natural to me. I have a solid sense of phase timing at this point, but I’m still not up to the microseconds.
I’ve practiced phasing opponent’s ML attacks and retaliating to imitate duped playstyle a little bit, to see virtually 100% success but more testing and practicing is needed.
I’ve also been incorporating heavies whenever I find myself occasionally needing to parry, to find much delight in how potent the furies are. I do also find myself sometimes intentionally parrying and heavying against larger health pools.
I still have Ghost sitting at r4 unduped at the moment (I’m going to use rank up resources to take 6* Warlock to r2 for 6.3.1 Medusa but Ghost to r5 is next up on the list). As stated previously in the thread, I have 2 Generic AGs that I can use on Ghost, but I’m still not entirely sure about using it on her yet, though I am leaning towards using it on her.
try going up against:
Namor (try counter attacking after his 2nd atk ... and not take dmg .. )
Rhino (don't counter after his first attack ... have to wait ... )
Black Widow DO, Domino, Stealth Spidey, Hit Monkey, Tigra - all have funky double attacks in there ... watch your timing on those ones
Maybe read next time .. I never said they were better than ghost ..
They are, however, better use of GENERIC awakening gems than Ghost.
Ghost is worth of tech gem, (IMHO), but not a generic ... her awakening ability is great, but not game changing ... all these guys either NEED to be awakened to be useful, or they become completely busted when awakened.
Ghost is busted even unawakened
Here’s what I would suggest would be the best path for you to learn and regarding awakening her. I suggest getting the medium, three light, then immediate dash back combo down pretty well and then move to alternating between mlll and mll. This will make the ai play into you better and make things go smoother. I also suggest you start trying to phase two hits before every combo instead of one (once you get the first stuff down).
I suggest using your generic and sigs on her once you’ve got the stuff I just mentioned pretty good. You could awaken her immediately but I feel like focusing on less and waiting to learn that once you have the rest pretty good is the way to go. Probably the only thing left that I want to add is I suggest learning in less stressful situations so that you feel comfortable playing her before going into harder stuff so I don’t suggest taking her into act 6 until you’ve got her down.
If you have any questions or clarifications you want me to make, feel free to @ me, I’m happy to help. Happy ghosting.
I'm also practicing the sp2 without the Wasp synergy. So far, Ghost has been such a fun champ. Definitely has gotten me engaged in the game again. I really needed Ghost b/c I've been pulling a lot of useless champs (even before opening duals. All 13 of my 6 stars are useless for AW).
Having said all that, how do you feel about the AW change? I do feel a bit gutted and unmotivated. I had high hopes to be able to finally do some boss fights. Even worse, my other go-to champ is Quake and I recently pulled a 5 star Tigra, whom I learned how to play after much research and practice.
Also, is it just me or is the PI for an Ghost unduped unusually low?