This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake. Prior to this, I never even heard people support said Champs in as large a way. This has been highlighted by the Node being added, and people scrambling for the same mechanics. Aside from a few that genuinely liked the Champs out of preference, this is about relying on missing Damage. That's what people are thirsting for. What the message is, is the intention is for people to do that in the hardest content through skill, and not through Miss mechanics.
doesnt playing ghost and quake require high skill? oh alright 195 left to be played. can they evade special attacks like tigra do? can they miss like ghost do? can they evade like quake do? some of the champions have a piece of utility that cannot be found in other champions. so instead of blabbing and posting your idiocy think before you post something. if they didnt miss mechanic at all they shouldnt have introduce it in the first place. now they did? make some nodes that make other champions a better option. removing them or nerfing them or adding a bs node wont solve anything at all
That piece of utility is exactly what I was talking about.
People are acting like True Focus is the only node in the game that takes out multiple champions, we all know that not to be the truth but it sure does suit the agenda of those with Quake and Ghost.
At this point I fully support nerfing the hell out of Ghost and Quake
I hate that I partially agree with you, but true focus is that bad for the game.
My order of preference if Kabam are that desperate to keep a leash on ghost and quake:
1. True focus gone, have a ghost specific and quake specific node 2. Nerf ghost and quake 3. Keep true focus
When True Focus first came out, I suggested to Kabam on the thread that they just give Ghost and Quake a special tag and then have a node that gives champs with those tags -100% ability accuracy. They didn’t listen obviously. True Focus pisses me off because it neuters so many other champs that I like to play that aren’t anywhere near as powerful as Ghost and Quake (ie Miles, Tigra). Also, I have a 6r3 Ghost that I awakened with the class gem from abyss and pumped in 120+ sig stones into her. At this point, I’d be more than happy if they nerf Ghost and give me my resources back like how they did with Namor. As for Quake, I hate Quake and literally couldn’t care less about what happens with her.
At this point I fully support nerfing the hell out of Ghost and Quake
I hate that I partially agree with you, but true focus is that bad for the game.
My order of preference if Kabam are that desperate to keep a leash on ghost and quake:
1. True focus gone, have a ghost specific and quake specific node 2. Nerf ghost and quake 3. Keep true focus
When True Focus first came out, I suggested to Kabam on the thread that they just give Ghost and Quake a special tag and then have a node that gives champs with those tags -100% ability accuracy. They didn’t listen obviously. True Focus pisses me off because it neuters so many other champs that I like to play that aren’t anywhere near as powerful as Ghost and Quake (ie Miles, Tigra). Also, I have a 6r3 Ghost that I awakened with the class gem from abyss and pumped in 120+ sig stones into her. At this point, I’d be more than happy if they nerf Ghost and give me my resources back like how they did with Namor. As for Quake, I hate Quake and literally couldn’t care less about what happens with her.
The issue I think might have to do with how long Ghost has been out, do they have the ability to see who has her ranked up without manually checking accounts?
I am also not convinced they actually want to nerf Ghost or Quake, I think they want to put emphasis on Kitty for obvious reasons, they are trying to run a business at the end of the day. If they can manipulate people into thinking this is the end of Ghost in new content and the future is with Kitty.. then of course, they will do that.
No they would have to manually check accounts like they did with Namor and Cull. Just give people the option to sell them and then go from there. I’d definitely sell Ghost and reallocate my resources.
People are acting like True Focus is the only node in the game that takes out multiple champions, we all know that not to be the truth but it sure does suit the agenda of those with Quake and Ghost.
The problem being True Focus is currently in EVERY NEW ENDGAME CONTENT. The last few weeks of SoP, the entirety of the Shang-Chi quest, what's next? The entirety of 7.3???
And it's just baffling to me that people are even suggesting a nerf. Namor and Cull were released for 2 or 3 months before they were nerfed. Quake for FOUR YEARS. Ghost for THREE YEARS. Don't know bout y'all, but I remember Ghosting the #### out of all those bs 6.2 fights and Quaking the #### out of those bs Gauntlet fights. Their influence in the game is so massive that nerfing them would be stupid for anyone who hasn't fully completed all the content in the game that people have used Ghost and Quake for.
I agree that there should be some limits to Ghosting and Quaking every challenge without breaking a sweat, especially when the nodes are completely manageable with many other champions, but having True Focus everywhere straight up BANS the two and all the other champions who rely on Evade and Miss.
P.S. I have a r3 Ghost and barely used her while exploring 7.2 paths. Kabam, there are much better ways to encourage use of other champions, as shown by many Act 7 nodes.
People are acting like True Focus is the only node in the game that takes out multiple champions, we all know that not to be the truth but it sure does suit the agenda of those with Quake and Ghost.
That’s true enough, but you don’t have Caltrops as a global node to take out every bleeder, or spiked armour to prevent crit heavy champions, you might have them on individual lanes. True Focus in and of itself isn’t a horrendous notion if it is used sparingly. If they wanted to make the odd one a bit trickier by preventing Ghost/Quake et al. That’s fine, we’ve got a lot of other champions in the game. The thing that I am concerned about is that since it’s release it has been in every single piece of high end content and if that trend continues it makes Ghost’s awakened ability irrelevant, robs her of a unique playstyle and the majority of her value. If she can only be used up to 7.2 - somewhere I didn’t really use her anyway because I don’t like to just rely on her - then that’s something that I find very disappointing.
I gave ghost 180 6* sig stones about a month before true focus came all over the place. Can’t express how frustrating it is to feel like I wasted one of the most scarce resources. Really don’t like this and tbh some still use ghost so they didn’t even accomplish their goal but I don’t , bc it’s not the same. I would have never sigged her that quickly though. Hopefully they read enough of these to realize that they’ve gone too far with it.
I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about nodes like this. People love to complain that "challenging content isn't challenging if you can just quake it", but then when challenging content uses true focus to counter quake/ghost, people complain that they can't use quake/ghost.
I get that it's frustrating that true focus counters all miss/evade champs, but there are plenty of characters that don't rely on those mechanics. No one complains that mystic ward prevents you from using all your nullify champs.
Because you’ve prob not given ghost an ag and 200 stones , along with a t5cc. There is no node even remotely close to as wide spread and negativity affecting any mystic. Not even remotely close.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
You're broadening that list of utility to anyone that is affected. I see you.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
Just take out stealthy, fantastic and g2099. Then this list would be perfect.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
Just take out stealthy, fantastic and g2099. Then this list would be perfect.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
Just take out stealthy, fantastic and g2099. Then this list would be perfect.
I was including safety nets, which I think are important in the game. But I do take your point, I think I’d remove Fantastic because he’s a bit more niche but it’s still a safety net.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
Just take out stealthy, fantastic and g2099. Then this list would be perfect.
This wouldn't be an issue if the playerbase didn't completely meltdown every time anything about any champ is changed that doesn't benefit the player. Ghost and Quake could have been rebalanced ages ago like they should have and this never would have come up.
they cant because many people ranked them up for their ability to smash many contents. i totally disagree with a nerf and also with this bs node. we can use any champ we want. people saying both should get a nerf are people who doesnt have them/use them. both require a high skill to demolish contents. it's not like they are very easy to play and everyone can master them. so cut the **** about nerfing them and remove this bs node already. instead introduce some new ways to make room for other champions aswell
It's impossible to create challenging content at this stage in the game, and still allow people to use whoever they want. Creating limits is what adds that challenge.
it's not?? yeah limits is what that adds challenge but adding a node that disable many utlities from many good and useful champions. they can still create challenging contents without true focus!!!!
It doesn't disable many utilities. It disables Evade and Miss.
Yes, you’re right from a black and white point of view. But as a result from that, it does disable many utilities.
It disables those Abilities. Unless the overall usefulness of the Champs rely heavily on those, it's not that drastic. Elsa for example, she works just fine without the Evade.
What about someone like Miles. Who’s majority of utility revolves around missing unblockable attacks.
What about Mr Negative, who relies on evade for more than 50% of his damage, and more than half of his utility. (He can’t get more than 10 degens out of 21 max, and can’t get more than 1 petrify out of 2 max, plus he can’t evade counter to get openings)?
What about tigra, who is used for the utility of avoiding projectile attacks from Apoc, P2099, Cable to name a few.
Those are all utilities that are gone due to miss and evade being countered.
3 Champions, plus 2. So that's 5. Out of 200. Let's add one or two more for argument sake.
One or two for arguments sake? How generous of you! How about adding as many as there are?
Miles- misses out on utility Spidergwen - misses out on utility Spider-ham - misses out on utility Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage Quake - misses out on utility and damage Massacre - misses out on utility Elsa - misses out on utility Ronin - misses out on utility and damage Stealthy - misses out on utility Prof X - misses out on utility and damage Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage G2099 - misses out on utility Ghost - misses out on utility and damage Mysterio - misses out on utility Stark Spidey - misses out on utility Ultron - misses out on utility Vulture - misses out on utility Surfer - misses out on utility and damage Ebony maw - misses out on utility Hood - misses out on utility Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
Just take out stealthy, fantastic and g2099. Then this list would be perfect.
Guilly99' miss saved me countless of times.
Yeah it has saved me too. But it doesn't really affect her usage in any matchup whether you can miss or not.
I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about nodes like this. People love to complain that "challenging content isn't challenging if you can just quake it", but then when challenging content uses true focus to counter quake/ghost, people complain that they can't use quake/ghost.
I get that it's frustrating that true focus counters all miss/evade champs, but there are plenty of characters that don't rely on those mechanics. No one complains that mystic ward prevents you from using all your nullify champs.
Because you’ve prob not given ghost an ag and 200 stones , along with a t5cc. There is no node even remotely close to as wide spread and negativity affecting any mystic. Not even remotely close.
I gave Ghost the generic AG from abyss exploration and around 120 sigs. I've been saying she should be nerfed along with Quake since LONG before True Focus existed. I practically never use either champ but if content is still going to exist with them taken into account I at least want them as options. I'd much rather all the broken champs be actually balanced though and the devs no longer feel the need to ruin other champs to dissuade people from using the broken ones however.
people acting like cheesing contents with ghost and quake are very simple and doesnt require high skill at all while infact using those two requires a very high skill for cheesing contents. have you ever tried quaking a 300k health champion? i did once and my fingers got very tired. have you ever tried playing ghost? timing phasing and the hit you gonna deal so you dont get wrecked. it requires lots of training to master those. for those people saying that they should nerf them, they are the people who dont play with them/have them. instead of adding true focus everywhere, give us nodes that help and feed other champions aswell. like those fury buffs we get for doing stuff in Cav eq
Ghost in particular but even Quake being oh so difficult to use is one of the biggest exaggerations ever to be parroted about constantly.
Since people doing well with ihulk and herc, next goona be anti-immortal nodes after you've had a taste, spent those units. Time for Heimdall, Apocalypse and prof x to be "buffed" to remove their cheese and move it as their own abilities at a decreased level, but put nano plague on everything. Anti-magnetic field! 😜 ok, going too far here, but this isn't like call of duty nerfing a gun.
As mentioned previously, this affects more than ghost...it also affects all the synergies raised for ghost if rank downs were given.
I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about nodes like this. People love to complain that "challenging content isn't challenging if you can just quake it", but then when challenging content uses true focus to counter quake/ghost, people complain that they can't use quake/ghost.
I get that it's frustrating that true focus counters all miss/evade champs, but there are plenty of characters that don't rely on those mechanics. No one complains that mystic ward prevents you from using all your nullify champs.
Because you’ve prob not given ghost an ag and 200 stones , along with a t5cc. There is no node even remotely close to as wide spread and negativity affecting any mystic. Not even remotely close.
I gave Ghost the generic AG from abyss exploration and around 120 sigs. I've been saying she should be nerfed along with Quake since LONG before True Focus existed. I practically never use either champ but if content is still going to exist with them taken into account I at least want them as options. I'd much rather all the broken champs be actually balanced though and the devs no longer feel the need to ruin other champs to dissuade people from using the broken ones however.
I get that argument, I don’t think anybody can really argue that they’re not OP champions, barely in the same category as some of the best champions in the game. This is where balancing comes into play, it’s not balancing the game by cutting them off high end content. Making the odd True Focus lane would prevent Ghosters and Quakers just as well but what is essentially a blanket ban on them isn’t achieving this. You should also take into account the fact that you have got one of the deeper rosters in the game so even if Ghost/Quake we’re to just be deleted from the game you’ve got the majority of other ‘god tier’ champions at R3 so this wouldn’t necessarily affect you in the way it would affect someone a bit further down the pecking order.
people acting like cheesing contents with ghost and quake are very simple and doesnt require high skill at all while infact using those two requires a very high skill for cheesing contents. have you ever tried quaking a 300k health champion? i did once and my fingers got very tired. have you ever tried playing ghost? timing phasing and the hit you gonna deal so you dont get wrecked. it requires lots of training to master those. for those people saying that they should nerf them, they are the people who dont play with them/have them. instead of adding true focus everywhere, give us nodes that help and feed other champions aswell. like those fury buffs we get for doing stuff in Cav eq
Ghost in particular but even Quake being oh so difficult to use is one of the biggest exaggerations ever to be parroted about constantly.
in my opinion you are just being an idiot you never use both as you mentioned before. so why commenting about quake play style when you never tried it before? it's even harder then ghost just lose your focus and boom you are doomed. learn before posting your bs here
Quake is hard to play but even then I think it's OP that she is able to manage almost 90% of the game and ignore majority of interactions in the game.
people acting like cheesing contents with ghost and quake are very simple and doesnt require high skill at all while infact using those two requires a very high skill for cheesing contents. have you ever tried quaking a 300k health champion? i did once and my fingers got very tired. have you ever tried playing ghost? timing phasing and the hit you gonna deal so you dont get wrecked. it requires lots of training to master those. for those people saying that they should nerf them, they are the people who dont play with them/have them. instead of adding true focus everywhere, give us nodes that help and feed other champions aswell. like those fury buffs we get for doing stuff in Cav eq
Ghost in particular but even Quake being oh so difficult to use is one of the biggest exaggerations ever to be parroted about constantly.
in my opinion you are just being an idiot you never use both as you mentioned before. so why commenting about quake play style when you never tried it before? it's even harder then ghost just lose your focus and boom you are doomed. learn before posting your bs here
Quake is hard to play but even then I think it's OP that she is able to manage almost 90% of the game and ignore majority of interactions in the game.
people acting like cheesing contents with ghost and quake are very simple and doesnt require high skill at all while infact using those two requires a very high skill for cheesing contents. have you ever tried quaking a 300k health champion? i did once and my fingers got very tired. have you ever tried playing ghost? timing phasing and the hit you gonna deal so you dont get wrecked. it requires lots of training to master those. for those people saying that they should nerf them, they are the people who dont play with them/have them. instead of adding true focus everywhere, give us nodes that help and feed other champions aswell. like those fury buffs we get for doing stuff in Cav eq
Ghost in particular but even Quake being oh so difficult to use is one of the biggest exaggerations ever to be parroted about constantly.
in my opinion you are just being an idiot you never use both as you mentioned before. so why commenting about quake play style when you never tried it before? it's even harder then ghost just lose your focus and boom you are doomed. learn before posting your bs here
He never said he hasn't. He said he rarely uses them. I'm not sure you're aware of this, but he has one of the most extensive Rosters in the game.
people acting like cheesing contents with ghost and quake are very simple and doesnt require high skill at all while infact using those two requires a very high skill for cheesing contents. have you ever tried quaking a 300k health champion? i did once and my fingers got very tired. have you ever tried playing ghost? timing phasing and the hit you gonna deal so you dont get wrecked. it requires lots of training to master those. for those people saying that they should nerf them, they are the people who dont play with them/have them. instead of adding true focus everywhere, give us nodes that help and feed other champions aswell. like those fury buffs we get for doing stuff in Cav eq
Ghost in particular but even Quake being oh so difficult to use is one of the biggest exaggerations ever to be parroted about constantly.
in my opinion you are just being an idiot you never use both as you mentioned before. so why commenting about quake play style when you never tried it before? it's even harder then ghost just lose your focus and boom you are doomed. learn before posting your bs here
You do realise the guy you’re talking about has over 3m rating and has been in the likes of 4Loki and other masters/P1 level alliances so I don’t think you can really call him out on bs about not being able to use champions. I can Quake but don’t enjoy it, so I don’t.
My concern when making this thread was one of design philosophy and irritation that i can’t use a champion I’ve heavily invested in in new content.
There’s no reason to get personal with people on here
people acting like cheesing contents with ghost and quake are very simple and doesnt require high skill at all while infact using those two requires a very high skill for cheesing contents. have you ever tried quaking a 300k health champion? i did once and my fingers got very tired. have you ever tried playing ghost? timing phasing and the hit you gonna deal so you dont get wrecked. it requires lots of training to master those. for those people saying that they should nerf them, they are the people who dont play with them/have them. instead of adding true focus everywhere, give us nodes that help and feed other champions aswell. like those fury buffs we get for doing stuff in Cav eq
Ghost in particular but even Quake being oh so difficult to use is one of the biggest exaggerations ever to be parroted about constantly.
in my opinion you are just being an idiot you never use both as you mentioned before. so why commenting about quake play style when you never tried it before? it's even harder then ghost just lose your focus and boom you are doomed. learn before posting your bs here
I said I don't use them not that I can't use them. You should try reading a bit better. I can use both just fine but I greatly dislike broken unbalancing mechanics and it would be a tad hypocritical to speak against them existing as often as I do all the while abusing the hell out of them like all the people in this thread scared of losing their broken toys.
I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about nodes like this. People love to complain that "challenging content isn't challenging if you can just quake it", but then when challenging content uses true focus to counter quake/ghost, people complain that they can't use quake/ghost.
I get that it's frustrating that true focus counters all miss/evade champs, but there are plenty of characters that don't rely on those mechanics. No one complains that mystic ward prevents you from using all your nullify champs.
Because you’ve prob not given ghost an ag and 200 stones , along with a t5cc. There is no node even remotely close to as wide spread and negativity affecting any mystic. Not even remotely close.
I gave Ghost the generic AG from abyss exploration and around 120 sigs. I've been saying she should be nerfed along with Quake since LONG before True Focus existed. I practically never use either champ but if content is still going to exist with them taken into account I at least want them as options. I'd much rather all the broken champs be actually balanced though and the devs no longer feel the need to ruin other champs to dissuade people from using the broken ones however.
I get that argument, I don’t think anybody can really argue that they’re not OP champions, barely in the same category as some of the best champions in the game. This is where balancing comes into play, it’s not balancing the game by cutting them off high end content. Making the odd True Focus lane would prevent Ghosters and Quakers just as well but what is essentially a blanket ban on them isn’t achieving this. You should also take into account the fact that you have got one of the deeper rosters in the game so even if Ghost/Quake we’re to just be deleted from the game you’ve got the majority of other ‘god tier’ champions at R3 so this wouldn’t necessarily affect you in the way it would affect someone a bit further down the pecking order.
And I understand why those people wouldn't want anything to happen to those champs but that somewhat highlights my points about the fact they shouldn't exist in their current state. I have no doubt people with small rosters that have them don't want to lose their skeleton keys too all content but that shouldn't be a thing that exists in the first place imo.
Why should someone be able to pull one or two champs early on and steamroll 99% of content in the game? The whole point of a game like this is supposed to be roster building over time not get one or two of a handful of ridiculously unbalanced champs so you can punch above your weight and never need anyone else.
Having a whale roster doesn’t make you a good player btw. I’m sure all of us(that have them) are guilty of picking up quake or ghost at some moment for a ridiculous fight they didn’t care to bother with. I say the game needs a couple champs like these to help balance out the crazy nodes kabam likes to come up with time to time. It’s up to the player to determine what they enjoy. If someone likes quaking or ghosting, let em have their fun. It’s a game, who cares if it’s get beaten, being forced to play someone you don’t want to play defeats the purpose at a certain point.
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True Focus pisses me off because it neuters so many other champs that I like to play that aren’t anywhere near as powerful as Ghost and Quake (ie Miles, Tigra).
Also, I have a 6r3 Ghost that I awakened with the class gem from abyss and pumped in 120+ sig stones into her. At this point, I’d be more than happy if they nerf Ghost and give me my resources back like how they did with Namor.
As for Quake, I hate Quake and literally couldn’t care less about what happens with her.
And it's just baffling to me that people are even suggesting a nerf. Namor and Cull were released for 2 or 3 months before they were nerfed. Quake for FOUR YEARS. Ghost for THREE YEARS. Don't know bout y'all, but I remember Ghosting the #### out of all those bs 6.2 fights and Quaking the #### out of those bs Gauntlet fights. Their influence in the game is so massive that nerfing them would be stupid for anyone who hasn't fully completed all the content in the game that people have used Ghost and Quake for.
I agree that there should be some limits to Ghosting and Quaking every challenge without breaking a sweat, especially when the nodes are completely manageable with many other champions, but having True Focus everywhere straight up BANS the two and all the other champions who rely on Evade and Miss.
P.S. I have a r3 Ghost and barely used her while exploring 7.2 paths. Kabam, there are much better ways to encourage use of other champions, as shown by many Act 7 nodes.
Because you’ve prob not given ghost an ag and 200 stones , along with a t5cc. There is no node even remotely close to as wide spread and negativity affecting any mystic. Not even remotely close.
Miles- misses out on utility
Spidergwen - misses out on utility
Spider-ham - misses out on utility
Mr Fantastic - misses out on utility
Mr Negative- misses out on utility and damage
Quake - misses out on utility and damage
Massacre - misses out on utility
Elsa - misses out on utility
Ronin - misses out on utility and damage
Stealthy - misses out on utility
Prof X - misses out on utility and damage
Stryfe - misses out on utility and damage
G2099 - misses out on utility
Ghost - misses out on utility and damage
Mysterio - misses out on utility
Stark Spidey - misses out on utility
Ultron - misses out on utility
Vulture - misses out on utility
Surfer - misses out on utility and damage
Ebony maw - misses out on utility
Hood - misses out on utility
Tigra - misses out on utility and damage
These are all champions that use miss or evade in some form not just for defence. Whether it’s a safety net, way to access utility or way to get damage.
Not to mention, that when we get any other champions buffed with evade and miss they’ll join the list. I haven’t just listed out any champion who uses evade or miss, oh no. These are just the ones that are considered good champions. Think, any Spider-Man, invisible woman, daredevil OG.
So yeah, arguments sake, instead of 5 let’s try 22.
As mentioned previously, this affects more than ghost...it also affects all the synergies raised for ghost if rank downs were given.
You should also take into account the fact that you have got one of the deeper rosters in the game so even if Ghost/Quake we’re to just be deleted from the game you’ve got the majority of other ‘god tier’ champions at R3 so this wouldn’t necessarily affect you in the way it would affect someone a bit further down the pecking order.
My concern when making this thread was one of design philosophy and irritation that i can’t use a champion I’ve heavily invested in in new content.
There’s no reason to get personal with people on here
Why should someone be able to pull one or two champs early on and steamroll 99% of content in the game? The whole point of a game like this is supposed to be roster building over time not get one or two of a handful of ridiculously unbalanced champs so you can punch above your weight and never need anyone else.
Just Focus Harder