Act 5 Discussion - Earning Grandmaster Favour (or is it favor?)

winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
Here is another compilation of Act 5 discussions. Appreciate help to add on.
If I remember well, Act 5 was announced and then rescheduled. I managed to find the initial post in the archived forum.

Re-Announcing: Act V

There are new buffs and I take the liberty to re-post it here since it is going to appear in AW.
-You have a 300% Attack Boost.
-You Degenerate 100% of your Max Health over 60 seconds.
-The strength of this Degeneration is affected by Class relationships.•If you have a Class disadvantage, it will be 150% over 60 seconds (essentially 100% over 40 seconds).
•If you have a Class advantage it will only deal 50% of your Max Health over those same 60 seconds.

This buff was a big sticking point for a lot of you in our original thread, and we definitely know why. Straight up degens can be scary, we know, but the degen here isn’t meant to force you to buy potions. It’s actually meant to act as a looming challenge for players to finish fights quickly as opposed to playing hyper-defensively. In our tests, aggressive players were able to finish fights very fast with teams of 4/40s, taking very little damage, especially when they had a Class Advantage. Basically, Flare is designed to encourage aggressive play.

-Champion (the boss) has +5,000 Armor Rating.
-Every time you land a hit, you reduce Armor Rating by 200 permanently.•Once you land 25 hits, this bonus Armor Rating will have been overcome.
•All subsequent hits continue to apply the same reduction to boss’ base Armor Rating.

We’ve actually changed this one after some more playtesting since we announced it. Now, it will take half as many hits to remove the additional Armor Rating, but it’s worth noting that this is not persistent between fights, so if you die, you’ll have to land another 25 hits before the Armor Rating is gone again. Breakthrough is designed to do a couple things: first, it’s meant to discourage brute forcing (no relation to the other buff in this list) a fight. We want you to carefully consider who you’re bringing into the fight, and expect to use them for a decent period of time instead of simply throwing as many champions at it as you can. Secondly, it’s meant to speed the pace of the fight up over time. The fight will start slow, but eventually, if you play well and don’t die, you’ll reduce the opponent’s Armor Rating to 0 and start dealing way more damage.

Life Transfer
-You degenerate 2% of your Max Health Per Second.
-You steal 125% of the damage you deal as Health.•This percentage is affected by Class relationships (+ or - 25%)

This buff can be considered a cousin to Flare, but it has a slightly different intention in-game. Its is meant to loom over a fight, and may very well bring you close to death if you’re playing too defensively, but it’s also meant to reward well considered sequences of attack. The result is a yo-yo of tension throughout a fight. As an example, one of our playtesters was inches from death, playing as Storm, trying to bait a special. They dodged it, then threw her Special 2 and they were suddenly back at full health. This isn’t the only instance of this happening but it was exciting to watch, and easy to see how the buff facilitated a good risk-reward scenario, which is our intention.

Burden of Might
-Every time you gain a buff, you lose 25% of your Max Power.•You also get a 15% reduction to Power Gain for every buff currently active on you.
•This is NOT per unique buff. For example, a Phoenix with 7 Furies will have a ~100% reduction in Power Gain.
•This doesn’t affect power sources like Power Gain, only the Power gained from being hit or hitting an opponent.
•For example: Mordo will still get his Power Gain Buff’s full effect, but every time it activates, he will immediately lose 25% of his current Power, since it’s a buff.

Power Focus
-You gain increased Critical Rate equivalent to 25% of the percentage of your Max Power you currently have.•For example, if you have 100% of your Max Power, you will have a 25% increase to your Critical Rate, and if you have 40% of your Max Power, you will have a 10% increase to your Critical Rate.

Burden of Might and Power Focus are only used together in Chapter 1, so they essentially function as one buff in this context. Burden of Might is pretty straightforward in that it’s meant to encourage you not to bring champions that buff themselves into the fight, but originally, that was it. We realized quickly that this was more stick than carrot. Playing in the way the buff encouraged you to didn’t give you anything, it just became not noticeable and the fights didn’t feel unique. To fix this, we added Power Focus to incentivize champions who would gain power from somewhere other than Buffs (i.e. Champions who wouldn’t proc Buffs). The result is a scenario where it’s possible - but harder - to complete fights with a buff Champ, but it’s way more beneficial to A) bring someone who doesn’t proc Buffs, B) bring someone who has a high Crit Rate or Crit Damage, and C) think about your masteries. When you play in this way, the fights will end super quickly comparatively.

Brute Force
-If you have not landed a hit in 6 seconds, you begin to suffer a Degeneration that deals 100% of your Max Health over 30 Seconds.•The strength of this Degeneration is affected by Class relationships (+ or - 50% Max Health). Below is the strength of this Degeneration per second it is on you:
•Disadvantage: 5% Max Health per second
•Base: 3.3% Max Health per second
•Advantage: 1.6% Max Health per second
-Landing a single hit on an opponent (the boss) will reset this timer and remove any Degeneration Effect.

Kinetic Instigator
-When you strike a blocking opponent (the boss), you gain the same amount of power as you would normally when hitting an opponent.

Like Power Focus and Burden of Might, Brute Force and Kinetic Instigator are used together, and they’re designed to encourage players to be more conscious of the rhythm of a fight, and to interrupt the normal flow of combat in interesting ways. We want to discourage the normal parry-combo-parry or evasion heavy play and instead place difficult decision points into those patterns. If the degen is about to start, do you keep baiting a special or do you land a single hit to reset it? What would be more dangerous for you? If you’re playing in a solid rhythm, and skilled at baiting specials, you will likely never even feel the degen at all, but just because it doesn’t take effect doesn’t mean it’s not affecting the rhythm of combat. Kinetic Instigator is here as a “bailout” from languishing in a cycle of not being able to land a hit. If you’re unable to land a hit to reset the timer, you can just pound on the enemy’s block enough to throw a special 3, and reset the timer.

I think this link here posted on Reddit is a very excellent walkthrough for Chapter 1.


  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    I just picked up again Act 5 Chapter 2 and can't remember when I did 5.2.3. I remembered using revives against Joe Fixit because he rolled Hearts granting health recovery. :s

    5.2.4 is tough because of Masochism.


    The next Debuff you trigger on the Boss is immediately Nullified and they Regenerate 5% of their Max Health.
    This Effect enters a 7 second cooldown each time it activates, during which it will not consume any Debuffs.

    This is essentially the opposite of Buffet - and its design is pretty much the same from a meta objective standpoint: Bring characters who Buff themselves, and not characters who apply lots of Debuffs. This one is a bit trickier since you won’t be able to apply Heal Blocks all the time, but you can apply Debuffs while Masochism is in the 7 second cooldown, and they won’t be eaten when it comes back (it’s only the next one that activates while it’s active that gets eaten)

    Parry gets nullified and opponent gains health. This is really a good place to practise Intercept (but I did not do well).

    I took the easiest path, manage to take down seven champs before being knocked out by War Machine.

    I am fortunate to have avoided ambushes by YJ and Cable. B)

    Both Visions did a good job to keep Storm quiet.
    Image below captured later, hence the increase in units ... :D

    Here is a link to Chapter 2 original announcement and also a walkthrough and strategy guide on reddit.

    Next up, Bane, and before two team revives in overflow stash expires.

  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    5.2.5 just completed. :)

    As one of the level two team revive expires today, I have to use it.
    I think Bane is also difficult but the quest itself was made a little easier because the Opponents were all quite aggressive.

    They don't hide at the corner and hold block which made it easier to parry and transfer Bane over.

    However, Bane is a killer (just like Archangel's neurotoxin).


    At the beginning of the fight, whoever is struck first is afflicted by a curse which deals 2.5% of their Opponent’s Current Health as Direct Damage per second.
    When the Champion with the curse lands a hit (not a blocked hit) on their Opponent, the curse is passed to them with the same effects (the damage is still based on the Opponent’s current Health)
    Every 10 seconds, this curse passes to the Champion that does not currently have it.
    This timer is not reset every time you land a hit. It will always swap between Champions 10 seconds after the Curse is applied.

    If you saw this and thought: “Sounds a lot like hot potato” then you’d be pretty spot on. While we are continuing to try and avoid straight up degenerations, we designed Bane to be completely avoidable with the right timing. It’s means to create “pockets” of tension throughout the fight, encouraging you to shift your play style between aggressive and defensive frequently to maximize its effectiveness on your opponent. Many of our Beta Testers noted that Bane was actually a huge help to them, since it deals damage to your opponent more often than it deals damage to you, especially if you have the right rhythm down.

    This time I was ambushed by WWII and I wonder who are other champs who can pop up.

    After healing Vision twice, I went as far as BPCW and pop the revive.

    Fortunately, SL one-shot DD (I dislike Arc Overload).

    I was thinking if an awakened Carnage will be OP against Bane, as its special attack is Unblockable when Opponent is under Bleed or Armor Break debuff.

    Next Up, 5.2.6. and money-grab Collector.
    Can my champs hold up?
  • WîndšpäveWîndšpäve Posts: 297
    edited May 2019

    5.2.5 just completed. :)

    Nice job, those quests before the collected are pretty difficult. The quest for the collector isn’t bad and you should be able to finish him without much of a problem. (Just make sure you got some revives in hand)
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★

    5.2.5 just completed. :)

    Nice job, those quests before the collected are pretty difficult. The quest for the collector isn’t bad and you should be able to finish him without much of a problem. (Just make sure you got some revives in hand)
    Thanks for encouragement, appreciate. :)
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    I was actually wondering if I could really do it, after playing like a novice starting from Kang. :(

    I find the fight against Collector rather difficult due to poor intercept skills, so my initial strategy was to place Bane on Collector and try to let it run full. I changed tactics and decided to attack as best possible instead when Collector was around 50%.

    My consolation is that I did not need to use any units (drawing on revives and potions in stash). ;)
    Luke Cage gave me lots of confidence, even though he did not tank any special. Somehow knowing he can be indestructible encourage me to take more risks.

    I'm still feeling the 'burnout' after the grind for Ægon. Good thing I won the champ and awakened signature ability. B)

    I guess the next step is to take a short break and assess if I can reach 12k units in anticipation of July 4 offer.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Posts: 2,231 ★★★★
    Great job mate!

  • phillgreenphillgreen Posts: 2,231 ★★★★
    Now you can complain about not being able to explore UC EQ which is not fair because you are UC and it should be easy :smiley:
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★

    Now you can complain about not being able to explore UC EQ which is not fair because you are UC and it should be easy :smiley:

    Thanks for reminder! Running Uncollected difficulty of EQ now. :)
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    I searched videos on strategy and tips to tackle the Collector and I think these four are quite instructive.

    1/ Taking down Collector in one try.

    2/ How to evade Collector's special one?

    3/ Can 3* do it? Watch from 48 minutes.

    4/ Act 5.2, all easy paths
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    Found another Collector solo fight.

  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    Solo with CW!

  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    After a long long time, I decided to revisit Act 5.1.
    Started yesterday and completed some moments ago.

    Since I am using four 5-Star rank 4s, it is just grinding through, and nothing much to say except there are crazy long paths at tail-end in Chapter 6.

    About the rewards ...

    probably the main reason to play EQ instead.

    I finally have a little taste of what it meant by grinding for Legends run. :) It is certainly not for me. :D

    Hopefully , it won't take another year to do Act 5.2.

  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    Adding another Solo fight.

  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 5,331 ★★★★★
    Act 5.2 exploration completed.

    Going to start Act 5.3 :D
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