anti venom

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is anti venom any good?

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ThatGuyYouSaw235

yes

GinjabredMonsta

I'm loving him

ThatGuyYouSaw235

I'm loving him

mcklyntar

Pseudo_19

@ThatGuyYouSaw235 @GinjabredMonsta could you please explain how he is good, I don’t see any useful utility besides immunities. All his debuffs are a weak percentage that don’t do much. His damage is only good with his sp2 but then you sacrifice all those debuffs you worked so hard to get up?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

It's very similar to venom.

Venom is a ramp up character. You can use s1 and s3 without messing the ramp up process, but using the sp2 will convert all the ramp up buffs in furies, in order to get more damage for a couple of seconds.

Anti-Venom is pretty much the same. He ramps up during the fight in a different way, and via applying debuffs to the opponent. You can use sp1 and sp3 without sacrificing the ramp up (sp3 increases it actually), but using your sp2 will convert the debuffs in to furies. Just like venom, although anti-venom furies are 3x more potent and last 2x longer.

Both have increase buff/debuff potency via their sig ability as well.

Venom has easy access to DoT via his bleeds. Anti-venom has instant rupture damage on every hit 15 seconds after using sp1.

Their heavy attacks simply apply 1 debuff to the opponent. Venom is armor break, anti-venom is a stagger.

Now for Venom, his buffs aren't that relevant, apart from specific areas or just to increase the damage a bit. Anti-venom debuffs provide some utility, so there's that.

Also Anti-Venom has 2x nice immunities to go alongside him

GinjabredMonsta

It's very similar to venom.

Venom is a ramp up character. You can use s1 and s3 without messing the ramp up process, but using the sp2 will convert all the ramp up buffs in furies, in order to get more damage for a couple of seconds.

Anti-Venom is pretty much the same. He ramps up during the fight in a different way, and via applying debuffs to the opponent. You can use sp1 and sp3 without sacrificing the ramp up (sp3 increases it actually), but using your sp2 will convert the debuffs in to furies. Just like venom, although anti-venom furies are 3x more potent and last 2x longer.

Both have increase buff/debuff potency via their sig ability as well.

Venom has easy access to DoT via his bleeds. Anti-venom has instant rupture damage on every hit 15 seconds after using sp1.

Their heavy attacks simply apply 1 debuff to the opponent. Venom is armor break, anti-venom is a stagger.

Now for Venom, his buffs aren't that relevant, apart from specific areas or just to increase the damage a bit. Anti-venom debuffs provide some utility, so there's that.

Also Anti-Venom has 2x nice immunities to go alongside him

Thanks maw, couldn't have explained that much or as good even if I wanted to. Also. Anti-v had a synergy with AV that causes opponents to take 40% of modified attack as physical dmg when inflicted with a genetic memory debuff

Rockypantherx

Anti-Venom is great and very underrated. People have the perception that he’s a total utility or damage champ. That’s not true

The only part of his utility that is really affected by accessing his damage is the decelerate, which to be honest, isn’t that useful anyway.

The disorient is useless unless you need it for someone like Mr Negative, but you only need one and that’s very easy to get up after an SP2

In matches where you want heal reversal, his is some of the most potent in the game with despair. In those matchups, reversing healing is essentially compensating for the missing damage off the SP2

He doesn’t lose the Klyntar debuff when firing his SP2, so he permanently shuts down spider verse evade, plus shuts down the ability accuracy of unblockable versus mystics at 30 hits

Not to mention his two base immunities, which I consider to be the 2nd and 3rd best immunities in the game, and having them together is still rather rare

The stagger off the heavy is actually pretty great, and unique for a science. It’s pretty good at shutting down stuff like unstoppable in your decelerate downtime, and occasional predictable buffs

Plus you just have the utility of accessing a ton of high stackable debuffs, and a lot of unique debuffs.

Additionally, MCOC is much more in a place now where we have a ton of nodes giving champions extra damage for doing ‘something’. That can go a certain way to helping him hit hard in matchups where you don’t want to use the SP2

That’s not even mentioning the sig, which is great for mitigating damage, and improving the potency of literally any debuff you have on the opponent, personal or otherwise

Lpoo

I see him as a champ that didn’t make an immediate impression, but I do think the community opinion will come around. If you broke him down and looked what he is capable of producing, he’s a home run.
1. Double immunities
2. Unique utility
3. Big yellow numbers
4. Interesting synergies

I just don’t think we’ve seen enough of the “how” to judge him atm.

ItsDamien

I ranked 3 my 6* almost immediately when I pulled him. Nothing like 150k+ SP2s on 500k health opponents 😂

GinjabredMonsta

I ranked 3 my 6* almost immediately when I pulled him. Nothing like 150k+ SP2s on 500k health opponents 😂

Same here!

GrassKnuckles

He is amazing but needs sig 200

GinjabredMonsta

He is amazing but needs sig 200

Does he really? I have the ability to get mine to sig 140 if I wanted to, and I see at sig 200 he regens 65% dmg, but the scaling seems awful till you cross the 100 threshold.

GrassKnuckles

He is amazing but needs sig 200
Does he really? I have the ability to get mine to sig 140 if I wanted to, and I see at sig 200 he regens 65% dmg, but the scaling seems awful till you cross the 100 threshold.

Well high sig at least

SirGamesBond

I like to thanks kabam for not including s99 synergy on the 4* version of anti-venom. Who would want a synergy from a 4* pfffttt...

Waiting for the next 5* featureds impatiently

altavista

I just pulled Anti-Venom. He is pretty fun to use.

It is strange how he is like a weird Void/Apoc hybrid - incinerate immunity, permanent debuffs, ability to choose which debuff to apply, petrify access, evade counter over time access, and big SP2 damage - while also being mechanically a mirror of Venom.

My main question is, Is the Signature ability, and high sig, really all that necessary?

I'm seeing a Regen that depends on you getting hit (which is never the goal), and increased potency to debuffs whose strength doesn't really seem to matter. High sig seems mainly to be for Sustainability.

I get that 50% (at 50 combo) increase potency of Spectre, Disorient, and Decelerate is nice to have, but is the main benefit that you can now have a mix of debuffs instead of stacking one debuff type?

I am always confused by Potency math, but for example, does this mean instead of stacking 3 Decelerates (33% reduction each) to ensure 99% reduction in Evade/Unstoppable, you can instead stack 2 Decelerates (33*150%*2) for similar Evade/Unstoppable reduction and now have 2 free Debuffs to use on any of the other utilities?

magnus_xix

I get that 50% (at 50 combo) increase potency of Spectre, Disorient, and Decelerate is nice to have, but is the main benefit that you can now have a mix of debuffs instead of stacking one debuff type?

I am always confused by Potency math, but for example, does this mean instead of stacking 3 Decelerates (33% reduction each) to ensure 99% reduction in Evade/Unstoppable, you can instead stack 2 Decelerates (33*150%*2) for similar Evade/Unstoppable reduction and now have 2 free Debuffs to use on any of the other utilities?

Yes