R5 Thor or Angela

Youngspooky

Having a discussion with a few members on who would be the better upgrade both duped

Comments

KhanMedina

Thor, just because there's no 5 star version. Both are very good attackers.

Afrid

Angela deals more damage .

jp2835

Thor needs high dupe against angela

Youngspooky

Afrid wrote: »

Angela deals more damage .

Can you elaborate a bit more trying to prove this to them but I’m having some difficulty’s which is why I cane to the forums

Vince1976

I am very interested in this also. My r4 Thor is sig99 and i should dupe my angela on todays arena. I have the cats to rank them to r5 so am really interested in who is best between them

Palanthrax

Vince1976 wrote: »

I am very interested in this also. My r4 Thor is sig99 and i should dupe my angela on todays arena. I have the cats to rank them to r5 so am really interested in who is best between them

I have them both at R5, Thor at 99 sig, and I go for Thor every time. I find his damage at least equal, possibly better, but more than that I find his ability to stun lock invaluable. And, as others have said, there's no 5 star version (and possibly never will be).

Animejay70

Unless an opponent is stun immune, the fights are quick because he's a serious damage dealer.

Youngspooky

Animejay70 wrote: »

Unless an opponent is stun immune, the fights are quick because he's a serious damage dealer.

Angela is proven to better in longer fights... as she deals much more damage than Thor she’s probably second only to Hyperion but I need a better way to explain it better than that cause my alliance doesn’t believe me. They’re all hyped up on. The Thor fanboy train

Saiyan

Thor is easier to play as it only consist of hit and stun. His damage is good
Angela requires more to play as you gotta maintain her fury buffs to do about 2x damage than Thor.

Thor NEEDS to be awakened to be good, Angela doesn't care at all about it.
Angela has regen that's not much but it helps especially with suicides.

Thor with two armor breaks and fury still doesn't do the damage Angela does with two fury buffs.

Only Cosmic that deals more damage than Angela is Hyperion and that's saying something.

Mr_Otter

Actually Angela is able to keep between 1500 and 2250 fury on her at all times. Coupled with her armor ups and regen she’s quite amazing at longer fights and is far less reliant of parry (which seems to phase between working/bugged) and Angela can not only take a missed parry but also take it surprisingly well and if you’re REALLY in a long font her limited regen is another neat bonus

Thor however is very reliant on parry. His damage comes mostly from debuffs which let’s be real, new champs are getting better at removing like KingPin and Blade to be specific. His play style is very demanding on parry meaning of you want to avoid block damage all together and work on intercepts it’s he better to ditch him. Intercepting actually hurts his damage output which kinda feels like a kick to the teeth late game. And as far as stun chaining goes:

Jane Foster
Hulk
Gambit
Ronan

And technically QUAKE

All drunk chain better in some aspect.

Also against weaker enemies with less armor his breaks are meaningless as past a certain point they will hit Zero Armor and there is no negative anymore.

Comparatively Thor has a pretty low crit rate compared to Angela and other heavy hitter contenders. I think this is common knowledge but crits are like important! 11% Thor vs 25% Angela

Angela hitting more than DOUBLE the crits Thor does, plus being more stable with her damage, PLUS being ALLOWED to intercept all put her above Thor on a technical aspect

Youngspooky

Mr_Otter wrote: »

Actually Angela is able to keep between 1500 and 2250 fury on her at all times. Coupled with her armor ups and regen she’s quite amazing at longer fights and is far less reliant of parry (which seems to phase between working/bugged) and Angela can not only take a missed parry but also take it surprisingly well and if you’re REALLY in a long font her limited regen is another neat bonus

Thor however is very reliant on parry. His damage comes mostly from debuffs which let’s be real, new champs are getting better at removing like KingPin and Blade to be specific. His play style is very demanding on parry meaning of you want to avoid block damage all together and work on intercepts it’s he better to ditch him. Intercepting actually hurts his damage output which kinda feels like a kick to the teeth late game. And as far as stun chaining goes:

Jane Foster
Hulk
Gambit
Ronan

And technically QUAKE

All drunk chain better in some aspect.

Also against weaker enemies with less armor his breaks are meaningless as past a certain point they will hit Zero Armor and there is no negative anymore.

Comparatively Thor has a pretty low crit rate compared to Angela and other heavy hitter contenders. I think this is common knowledge but crits are like important! 11% Thor vs 25% Angela

Angela hitting more than DOUBLE the crits Thor does, plus being more stable with her damage, PLUS being ALLOWED to intercept all put her above Thor on a technical aspect

THANK YOU!

GbSarkar

A damage comparison of the cosmic champs was done on Reddit. Can someone link that here if they find it?

Etaki_Lirakoi

Mr_Otter wrote: »

Actually Angela is able to keep between 1500 and 2250 fury on her at all times. Coupled with her armor ups and regen she’s quite amazing at longer fights and is far less reliant of parry (which seems to phase between working/bugged) and Angela can not only take a missed parry but also take it surprisingly well and if you’re REALLY in a long font her limited regen is another neat bonus

Thor however is very reliant on parry. His damage comes mostly from debuffs which let’s be real, new champs are getting better at removing like KingPin and Blade to be specific. His play style is very demanding on parry meaning of you want to avoid block damage all together and work on intercepts it’s he better to ditch him. Intercepting actually hurts his damage output which kinda feels like a kick to the teeth late game. And as far as stun chaining goes:

Jane Foster
Hulk
Gambit
Ronan

And technically QUAKE

All drunk chain better in some aspect.

Also against weaker enemies with less armor his breaks are meaningless as past a certain point they will hit Zero Armor and there is no negative anymore.

Comparatively Thor has a pretty low crit rate compared to Angela and other heavy hitter contenders. I think this is common knowledge but crits are like important! 11% Thor vs 25% Angela

Angela hitting more than DOUBLE the crits Thor does, plus being more stable with her damage, PLUS being ALLOWED to intercept all put her above Thor on a technical aspect

I keep seeing people say you can’t get negative armor and I’m pretty sure they’re 100% wrong, Thor still does massive damage against Iron fist, BP CW and Karnak with his armor breaks but they all have 0 armor to begin with.

Saiyan

The debate of how Armor works after 12.0 is still going. But that's beside the point.

Thor falls in comparison to Angela in all cases. The most I've seen Thor do on a medium is about 3000 with 2 armor breaks and a fury. Angela with 3 fury does about 4500 on a medium with the exact same mastries. (on ROL WS)

No to mention Angela has a heal, and with her rotation and SP2, he crit chances are silly levels of high meaning the overall DPS with the crits through out a fights is MUCH higher. as Otter said, Thor's base crit chance is 11% while she has 25% AND you can gain over 2000 extra crit chance. Thor doesn't have that and you better hope he crits.

And as i said, he NEEDS to be awakened, she doesn't.

Dexman1349

Thor relies on Debuffs to deal damage (specifically stun-based), Anglea needs buffs. Against someone like Dr Strange, Thor is better. On stun-immune nodes, Anglea is better.

Neither one are real game changers for those working on end-game content. Angela does have the added regen for longer fights so some can use her, but I almost never see either of them mentioned when building ROL/LOL/Act 5/AQ/AW teams.

With parry being consistently inconsistent, Thor's sig ability is unreliable and requires re-learning every time Kabam rolls out an update. At this point, my R4 Thor has been relegated to my "C" team (if I'm running AQ and AW, then he handles my solo quests) despite being one of my first duped and R4 champs...

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vinniegainz

Dps is pretty much the same with angela getting the slight edge based on my testing.

Thor relies on parry stuns for damage where angela is slice and dice spam sp1.

Every 10% hp angela loses she gains back 5% (half) effectively doubling her hp and does not get neutered against stun immune

Angela clear winner in terms of rationality

KhanMedina

vinniegainz wrote: »

Dps is pretty much the same with angela getting the slight edge based on my testing.

Thor relies on parry stuns for damage where angela is slice and dice spam sp1.

Every 10% hp angela loses she gains back 5% (half) effectively doubling her hp and does not get neutered against stun immune

Angela clear winner in terms of rationality

Not to nitpick but if she only gets back half of her health lost, then she only increases by 50% instead of double health. Still a valid point.

Youngspooky

I see a lot of evidence pointing towards Angela but of everyone who voted Thor not one of them had anything substantial to back it up besides “he chain stuns” and “he’s not a 5*”

Badrose

In long fight (very long fight like ROL Winter Soldier), Angela is probably dealing more damage, but Thor is still the best in AQ/AW thanks to the stun ability (I usually clean the AQ5 Power Gain path with Thor without any problem).

And yes, he chain stuns! When looking to the damage, you have to consider the number of consecutive hits you can do with Thor and the amount of damage dealt after "the chain", which is way more than what you can do with Angela.

vinniegainz

KhanMedina wrote: »

vinniegainz wrote: »

Dps is pretty much the same with angela getting the slight edge based on my testing.

Thor relies on parry stuns for damage where angela is slice and dice spam sp1.

Every 10% hp angela loses she gains back 5% (half) effectively doubling her hp and does not get neutered against stun immune

Angela clear winner in terms of rationality

Not to nitpick but if she only gets back half of her health lost, then she only increases by 50% instead of double health. Still a valid point.

Sorry yes you are correct my fault effectively 1.5x her hp. Thanks!

Mr_Otter

If I may, Thor suffers from 7 things

Stun immune
Debuff Immune
Limber nodes
Parry over intercept
Durability
Crits
Angela’s limited counters

The first 3 are basically all the same except Limber is a lesser extent if that

Parry gets changed almost every update so yeah… Thor relying on it is NOT a very good thing. Aside from Jane Foster no other champion is better for relying on parry over intercepts. In fact other heavy hitters like Nightcrawler and Stark Spider both have amazing DPS and prime players to rely less on parry and be more evasive. Angela is a much better fit than Thor as she CAN use an intercept technique without it hurting her DPS

In durability… Thor has nothing for him. Angela by contrast has MULTIPLE armor ups: Bar, Clone, Sp2 PLUS her regen making her health on par with Ultron.

In terms of crits Angela at base has a tick over double his crit rate. Add on her 2 bars plus the clone and if you save close to Sp3 you can chain Sp2 into a quick 2 bars to get a quick 1Bar+Clone to just HAMMER some high damage into enemies.

As stated Thor has nodes that perfectly counter him. Let’s add
Karnak
Rogue
Groot
King Groot
Crossbones
Kingpin
Hood
Golden Symbiodes
Collector
BLADE NOW!

All the above are stun immune or just shrug debuffs off REALLY fast

Angela has 4:
Magneto
White Mags
Dormammu (yeah… OUCH!)
Doctor Strange

But it IS worth noting that Dormommu DOES hurt Thor and DS can be a pain to Thor. Thor trying to keep his fury up for extra damage makes him sucseptible to both of them.

Mr_Otter

As for Thor’s stun chains I’d like to say that between Hulk, Ronan, and Gambit and kinda Quake…Stun chaining is a rare ability that does give Thor a nice edge. I think Jane Foster with heavy romance is the o my better chain stunner.

Point 1 for Thor I guess

Zoddymam

Dexman1349 wrote: »

Thor relies on Debuffs to deal damage (specifically stun-based), Anglea needs buffs. Against someone like Dr Strange, Thor is better. On stun-immune nodes, Anglea is better.

Neither one are real game changers for those working on end-game content. Angela does have the added regen for longer fights so some can use her, but I almost never see either of them mentioned when building ROL/LOL/Act 5/AQ/AW teams.

With parry being consistently inconsistent, Thor's sig ability is unreliable and requires re-learning every time Kabam rolls out an update. At this point, my R4 Thor has been relegated to my "C" team (if I'm running AQ and AW, then he handles my solo quests) despite being one of my first duped and R4 champs...

I used angela in LOL first run. With full suicides she actually has a constant heal and hits like a truck. I solo red hulk with her and besides magik where i used AA i used Angela in every LOL fight and as a added bonus the final boss wont regenerate against a cosmic champ. She is certainly an end game champ and i used her in aq consistently even with class disadvantage she wrecks dormammu cable and rhino bosses. I bring her to aw if i am on a line that doesn’t have a lot of mystic and used her lots in act 5. So think u are underestimating her use

The_Grandmaster

Youngspooky wrote: »

I see a lot of evidence pointing towards Angela but of everyone who voted Thor not one of them had anything substantial to back it up besides “he chain stuns” and “he’s not a 5*”

I'm still on the fence as to whom I prefer between Thor and Angela but I can say that it seems like Thor's specials do more damage than Angela's. I am glad to see so many people showing love to Angela tho

HugsForEveryone

The_Grandmaster wrote: »

Youngspooky wrote: »

I see a lot of evidence pointing towards Angela but of everyone who voted Thor not one of them had anything substantial to back it up besides “he chain stuns” and “he’s not a 5*”

I'm still on the fence as to whom I prefer between Thor and Angela but I can say that it seems like Thor's specials do more damage than Angela's. I am glad to see so many people showing love to Angela tho

Yeah... but how do you compare specials which occur once every 6-7 hits (depending on level) to a majority of your DPS lol in a high you throw out 1 special every 6-7 normal hits depending on the fight... a majority of your damage comes from basic hits and fact is Angela does more damage with melee attacks than Thor does

Badrose

Did a test run of my Angela (unduped) and Thor (LV50) against ROL Winter Soldier, both are 4* R5/50.

Combat strategy
Angela: gain power until almost reaching SP2 bar then spam SP1. Repeat.
Thor: double armor break and SP2 as much as possible, chain stuns.

Synergy - None
Angela 7'36"
Thor 7'28"

Synergy - Mutants
Angela 7'13"
Thor 5'47"

Adding the synergy didn't help Angela very much. In both case the number of hits were pretty similar but I preferred to use the total fight time. To be honest I didn't play so well with both while using Mutant synergy.

Zoddymam

The_Grandmaster wrote: »

Youngspooky wrote: »

I see a lot of evidence pointing towards Angela but of everyone who voted Thor not one of them had anything substantial to back it up besides “he chain stuns” and “he’s not a 5*”

I'm still on the fence as to whom I prefer between Thor and Angela but I can say that it seems like Thor's specials do more damage than Angela's. I am glad to see so many people showing love to Angela tho

Thors specials are for pure damage and stun
Angelas specials are more for activating buffs which in turn help her regular hits crit and hit harder

Zoddymam

The_Grandmaster wrote: »

Youngspooky wrote: »

I see a lot of evidence pointing towards Angela but of everyone who voted Thor not one of them had anything substantial to back it up besides “he chain stuns” and “he’s not a 5*”

Its the Thor man crush syndrome. No reason is needed except he is Thor:)

HugsForEveryone

Badrose wrote: »

Did a test run of my Angela (unduped) and Thor (LV50) against ROL Winter Soldier, both are 4* R5/50.

Combat strategy
Angela: gain power until almost reaching SP2 bar then spam SP1. Repeat.
Thor: double armor break and SP2 as much as possible, chain stuns.

Synergy - None
Angela 7'36"
Thor 7'28"

Synergy - Mutants
Angela 7'13"
Thor 5'47"

Adding the synergy didn't help Angela very much. In both case the number of hits were pretty similar but I preferred to use the total fight time. To be honest I didn't play so well with both while using Mutant synergy.

Well you’re playing with a team that benefits Thor more than it benefits Angela.... run a cosmic supremacy team with some added crit or power gain to help you cycle through your buffs faster

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