R5 Thor or Angela
Youngspooky
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Having a discussion with a few members on who would be the better upgrade both duped
R5 Thor or Angela 118 votes
Thor
55%
66 votes
Angela
44%
52 votes
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Can you elaborate a bit more trying to prove this to them but I’m having some difficulty’s which is why I cane to the forums
I have them both at R5, Thor at 99 sig, and I go for Thor every time. I find his damage at least equal, possibly better, but more than that I find his ability to stun lock invaluable. And, as others have said, there's no 5 star version (and possibly never will be).
Angela is proven to better in longer fights... as she deals much more damage than Thor she’s probably second only to Hyperion but I need a better way to explain it better than that cause my alliance doesn’t believe me. They’re all hyped up on. The Thor fanboy train
Angela requires more to play as you gotta maintain her fury buffs to do about 2x damage than Thor.
Thor NEEDS to be awakened to be good, Angela doesn't care at all about it.
Angela has regen that's not much but it helps especially with suicides.
Thor with two armor breaks and fury still doesn't do the damage Angela does with two fury buffs.
Only Cosmic that deals more damage than Angela is Hyperion and that's saying something.
Thor however is very reliant on parry. His damage comes mostly from debuffs which let’s be real, new champs are getting better at removing like KingPin and Blade to be specific. His play style is very demanding on parry meaning of you want to avoid block damage all together and work on intercepts it’s he better to ditch him. Intercepting actually hurts his damage output which kinda feels like a kick to the teeth late game. And as far as stun chaining goes:
Jane Foster
Hulk
Gambit
Ronan
And technically QUAKE
All drunk chain better in some aspect.
Also against weaker enemies with less armor his breaks are meaningless as past a certain point they will hit Zero Armor and there is no negative anymore.
Comparatively Thor has a pretty low crit rate compared to Angela and other heavy hitter contenders. I think this is common knowledge but crits are like important! 11% Thor vs 25% Angela
Angela hitting more than DOUBLE the crits Thor does, plus being more stable with her damage, PLUS being ALLOWED to intercept all put her above Thor on a technical aspect
THANK YOU!
Thor falls in comparison to Angela in all cases. The most I've seen Thor do on a medium is about 3000 with 2 armor breaks and a fury. Angela with 3 fury does about 4500 on a medium with the exact same mastries. (on ROL WS)
No to mention Angela has a heal, and with her rotation and SP2, he crit chances are silly levels of high meaning the overall DPS with the crits through out a fights is MUCH higher. as Otter said, Thor's base crit chance is 11% while she has 25% AND you can gain over 2000 extra crit chance. Thor doesn't have that and you better hope he crits.
And as i said, he NEEDS to be awakened, she doesn't.
Neither one are real game changers for those working on end-game content. Angela does have the added regen for longer fights so some can use her, but I almost never see either of them mentioned when building ROL/LOL/Act 5/AQ/AW teams.
With parry being consistently inconsistent, Thor's sig ability is unreliable and requires re-learning every time Kabam rolls out an update. At this point, my R4 Thor has been relegated to my "C" team (if I'm running AQ and AW, then he handles my solo quests) despite being one of my first duped and R4 champs...
Thor relies on parry stuns for damage where angela is slice and dice spam sp1.
Every 10% hp angela loses she gains back 5% (half) effectively doubling her hp and does not get neutered against stun immune
Angela clear winner in terms of rationality
Not to nitpick but if she only gets back half of her health lost, then she only increases by 50% instead of double health. Still a valid point.
And yes, he chain stuns! When looking to the damage, you have to consider the number of consecutive hits you can do with Thor and the amount of damage dealt after "the chain", which is way more than what you can do with Angela.
Sorry yes you are correct my fault effectively 1.5x her hp. Thanks!
Stun immune
Debuff Immune
Limber nodes
Parry over intercept
Durability
Crits
Angela’s limited counters
The first 3 are basically all the same except Limber is a lesser extent if that
Parry gets changed almost every update so yeah… Thor relying on it is NOT a very good thing. Aside from Jane Foster no other champion is better for relying on parry over intercepts. In fact other heavy hitters like Nightcrawler and Stark Spider both have amazing DPS and prime players to rely less on parry and be more evasive. Angela is a much better fit than Thor as she CAN use an intercept technique without it hurting her DPS
In durability… Thor has nothing for him. Angela by contrast has MULTIPLE armor ups: Bar, Clone, Sp2 PLUS her regen making her health on par with Ultron.
In terms of crits Angela at base has a tick over double his crit rate. Add on her 2 bars plus the clone and if you save close to Sp3 you can chain Sp2 into a quick 2 bars to get a quick 1Bar+Clone to just HAMMER some high damage into enemies.
As stated Thor has nodes that perfectly counter him. Let’s add
Karnak
Rogue
Groot
King Groot
Crossbones
Kingpin
Hood
Golden Symbiodes
Collector
BLADE NOW!
All the above are stun immune or just shrug debuffs off REALLY fast
Angela has 4:
Magneto
White Mags
Dormammu (yeah… OUCH!)
Doctor Strange
But it IS worth noting that Dormommu DOES hurt Thor and DS can be a pain to Thor. Thor trying to keep his fury up for extra damage makes him sucseptible to both of them.
Point 1 for Thor I guess
I used angela in LOL first run. With full suicides she actually has a constant heal and hits like a truck. I solo red hulk with her and besides magik where i used AA i used Angela in every LOL fight and as a added bonus the final boss wont regenerate against a cosmic champ. She is certainly an end game champ and i used her in aq consistently even with class disadvantage she wrecks dormammu cable and rhino bosses. I bring her to aw if i am on a line that doesn’t have a lot of mystic and used her lots in act 5. So think u are underestimating her use
I'm still on the fence as to whom I prefer between Thor and Angela but I can say that it seems like Thor's specials do more damage than Angela's. I am glad to see so many people showing love to Angela tho
Yeah... but how do you compare specials which occur once every 6-7 hits (depending on level) to a majority of your DPS lol in a high you throw out 1 special every 6-7 normal hits depending on the fight... a majority of your damage comes from basic hits and fact is Angela does more damage with melee attacks than Thor does
Combat strategy
Angela: gain power until almost reaching SP2 bar then spam SP1. Repeat.
Thor: double armor break and SP2 as much as possible, chain stuns.
Synergy - None
Angela 7'36"
Thor 7'28"
Synergy - Mutants
Angela 7'13"
Thor 5'47"
Adding the synergy didn't help Angela very much. In both case the number of hits were pretty similar but I preferred to use the total fight time. To be honest I didn't play so well with both while using Mutant synergy.
Thors specials are for pure damage and stun
Angelas specials are more for activating buffs which in turn help her regular hits crit and hit harder
Well you’re playing with a team that benefits Thor more than it benefits Angela.... run a cosmic supremacy team with some added crit or power gain to help you cycle through your buffs faster