Dragonman degen with Red Magneto in AW

BasNL

At the start of the fight my Red Magneto started to get degen. As described when dragonman has a armor break. But I didn't armor break him, I only parried and used heavy attacks.

Synergy team was with warlock and human torch.

Yodabolt21

Was it on node 45?

BasNL

Can't remember. But my alliance mate "solved" the problem. Defender had suicides on him. That bleed was transformed to a armor break. So a clever way to defend dragon man against magneto. Although a bit odd that a self inflicted bleed counts as a bleed that came from magneto. Still think that should not be the way it supposed to be.

AverageDesi

BasNL said:

Can't remember. But my alliance mate "solved" the problem. Defender had suicides on him. That bleed was transformed to a armor break. So a clever way to defend dragon man against magneto. Although a bit odd that a self inflicted bleed counts as a bleed that came from magneto. Still think that should not be the way it supposed to be.

It shouldn't be the way it is

Demonzfyre

AverageDesi said:

BasNL said:

Can't remember. But my alliance mate "solved" the problem. Defender had suicides on him. That bleed was transformed to a armor break. So a clever way to defend dragon man against magneto. Although a bit odd that a self inflicted bleed counts as a bleed that came from magneto. Still think that should not be the way it supposed to be.

It shouldn't be the way it is

Why? A bleed debuff is a bleed debuff. It's the way it worked when he was released.

Malreck04

According to Magneto's kit, "If the Opponent is immune to a bleed debuff...."

The game doesn't distinguish

Maratox

Magneto’s abilities don’t say that only personal bleed debuffs are converted to armor break against bleed immune champs. If it did, then there would be argument that it shouldn’t work this way. But it is working as intended. Whether or not people want it to work that way is a different story.

AverageDesi

Demonzfyre said:

AverageDesi said:

BasNL said:

Can't remember. But my alliance mate "solved" the problem. Defender had suicides on him. That bleed was transformed to a armor break. So a clever way to defend dragon man against magneto. Although a bit odd that a self inflicted bleed counts as a bleed that came from magneto. Still think that should not be the way it supposed to be.

It shouldn't be the way it is

Why? A bleed debuff is a bleed debuff. It's the way it worked when he was released.

You might also remember that when he was relased he used to make bleed debuffs armour breaks to all champs and not just magnetized champs. Like korg.

Nowhere in his kit does it say that he converts bleeds on bleed immunes to armour breaks. He is ONLY supposed to do this on magnetized opponents. At the start of the fight Dragon man in this case is not magnetized so he should not be armour broken

BasNL

Maratox said:

Magneto’s abilities don’t say that only personal bleed debuffs are converted to armor break against bleed immune champs. If it did, then there would be argument that it shouldn’t work this way. But it is working as intended. Whether or not people want it to work that way is a different story.

Well, the description says:
100% chance to inflict a Bleed Debuff, causing 1641 direct damage over 6 seconds.

Inflicting is an action after which the stated effects take place. That's contrary to the bleed that comes from suicides which is self inflicted.

AverageDesi

BasNL said:

Maratox said:

Magneto’s abilities don’t say that only personal bleed debuffs are converted to armor break against bleed immune champs. If it did, then there would be argument that it shouldn’t work this way. But it is working as intended. Whether or not people want it to work that way is a different story.

Well, the description says:
100% chance to inflict a Bleed Debuff, causing 1641 direct damage over 6 seconds.

Inflicting is an action after which the stated effects take place. That's contrary to the bleed that comes from suicides which is self inflicted.

It doesn't matter whether it is self inflicted or not. If immune, place ab

Deaths

AverageDesi said:

BasNL said:

Maratox said:

Magneto’s abilities don’t say that only personal bleed debuffs are converted to armor break against bleed immune champs. If it did, then there would be argument that it shouldn’t work this way. But it is working as intended. Whether or not people want it to work that way is a different story.

Well, the description says:
100% chance to inflict a Bleed Debuff, causing 1641 direct damage over 6 seconds.

Inflicting is an action after which the stated effects take place. That's contrary to the bleed that comes from suicides which is self inflicted.

It doesn't matter whether it is self inflicted or not. If immune, place ab

Dragonmans immunity would’ve triggered immediately at start of fight. Magneto’s magnetism doesn’t kick in until 1 second in and that’s is a magnet ability. Doesn’t matter self inflicted or not the immunity happened before magneto’s ability was active. Shouldn’t have triggered it.

AverageDesi

Deaths said:

AverageDesi said:

BasNL said:

Maratox said:

Magneto’s abilities don’t say that only personal bleed debuffs are converted to armor break against bleed immune champs. If it did, then there would be argument that it shouldn’t work this way. But it is working as intended. Whether or not people want it to work that way is a different story.

Well, the description says:
100% chance to inflict a Bleed Debuff, causing 1641 direct damage over 6 seconds.

Inflicting is an action after which the stated effects take place. That's contrary to the bleed that comes from suicides which is self inflicted.

It doesn't matter whether it is self inflicted or not. If immune, place ab

Dragonmans immunity would’ve triggered immediately at start of fight. Magneto’s magnetism doesn’t kick in until 1 second in and that’s is a magnet ability. Doesn’t matter self inflicted or not the immunity happened before magneto’s ability was active. Shouldn’t have triggered it.

Yes.