Thanks kabam for 7.4 until…

The option of choice being taken away feels violating and predatory. For months ive spent my sigs and catalysts in a certain way to set my account up to be as good as it can be. Now I pulled a skill 3-4 gem and i’m back to square one. Couple this with the offer of a lifetime for completion and 7.4 went from my favorite chapter in story mode to a predatory RNG fest.

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ItsDamien

If the 3-4 gem had a shelf life then yeah, you MIGHT have a point. But it doesn’t. It’s something you can use later.

Chatterofforums

"predatory"?! Dang, bit of a strong word for a rng crystal in a rng based game.

BitterSteel

Shang Chi, Moleman, Nick fury, Kingpin plus several more champs that a strong case can be made for if you enjoy them and find them good for what they do.

The good thing about MCOC is that every class has champions you can enjoy and use to good effect.

DNA3000

If that's how you feel about RNG, this is not the game for you. At what point do you learn that dealing with random rewards and resources is a fundamental part of this game? Were you literally holding out hope this would go away all the way up to 7.4?

I also think enough people have been tossing around the word "predatory" to the point where it has no meaning. When a random reward that the game tells you is going to be random in the content turns out to be random, what exactly is the game preying on? Limited attention span?

Sure, it is possible that some people completing the content were caught off guard by the completion (ne exploration) offer, and sure some people might have been misled by what the rewards were because they trusted leaked datamining more than they should have, but anyone who has already completed 7.4 a *day* after it was released doesn't need and shouldn't expect hand holding. You should be aware of what you're getting into before you blitz out content instantly upon release.

Squirrelguy

So how does getting a new thing alter your account so that it is back at square one? You now just have an amazing resource to be able to take up a skill champion to the highest possible (for the present) rank. I also don't understand your feelings on the offer. You seem to think it's great but also terrible?

How does kabam "taking away the option of choice" make you feel violated? Is giving you one of the best rewards in the game predatory?

So many questions.

A few more: Have you done Carina's challenges to get the catalysts available there? Did you do Abyss, because if not, you can explore and pick a Skill nexus there. There should be plenty of options for this to not be as bad as you are saying this is.

Also, if you post your roster, the community can give you insight into how this might not be so bad for you. I have seen many a summoner upset that they don't have a "good" option to rank up when they in fact have several solid ones.

As another point, in completion and exploration of 7.4, you received 5 Nexuses and one class nexus. If that isn't an impressive amount of choice for a typically RNG filled game, then I don't really know what is.

Finally, I would refer you to the age old story when it comes to MCOC. It might suck to get something you weren't hoping for, but many people (myself included) have found that a champion/item that they didn't want actually is super useful, or got a buff, or will help them build a more established roster, or is actually super fun to play. RNG is a primary pillar of MCOC, just like choosing your favorite champs and ranking them up. If you didn't play in the first 4 years of the game, you would be surprised how different it used to be.

TheLegend27

The 3-4 gem is from Act 7 exploration. How is your account so underdeveloped that you don't have at a minimum 1 of each class whom you would be happy to take to R4?

nahhorne

For people asking, yes ive finished everything (not the new carinas but im not worried about that right now). Yes i have every meta skill champion. The problem is i’d have to invest 160+ sig stones into any of these champs if i wanted to r4.

Lpoo

You would probably have brought a skill to rank 4 eventually, you might even forget who your first was at a certain point

TheBair123

actually, you can go ahead and use the r4 gem on any champ, regardless of sig. even if they're unawakened! nick especially is great at sig 1

BitterSteel

Good thing you just got 200 then I guess

GroundedWisdom

Why must you spend Sigs again? Does the Gem not work without them?

nahhorne

doubt it, they have dog water prestige or an irrelevant sig ability

BitterSteel

Could be a prestige thing

nahhorne

prestige

nahhorne

and sink them into someone who doesn’t need them/:

DNA3000

Almost like it was on purpose.

DNA3000

If you're looking for an optimum champion that gets optimal benefit from signature stones and also is an optimal prestige choice to take to rank 4, then that's something you aren't going to just get automatically at will. If top tier prestige was that easy to get, there would be no point to getting it. There would be no benefit to doing it, nobody would care if anyone got it, and everyone would be chasing something else harder to get.

nahhorne

throwing 199 sigs into thor ragnorok or hit monkey is very consensual very fun way to enjoy the game 😆😆😆😆

AverageDesi

BitterSteel

If you want to play the prestige game, and rank a champ you want, and only put sigs into champs who need it, and get the exact class you want, AND to not have RNG in a game fundamentally built on RNG then that’s something beyond having your cake and eating it.

DNA3000

If I cared about prestige, I would probably pick Rags. I don't, so I put all my sig stones into Herc, Namor, and Aegon.

That choice the game presents to players is deliberate: if the game made all of the best prestige choices also the best sig up choices in general, the whales would be able to automatically corner both prestige and power simultaneously. Instead, the game forces most players to choose, to make the prestige chase non-trivial. Chasing prestige is honestly pretty expensive in both time and money, and it is one of the ways the game funds its existence without impacting most of the players of the game.

When players pour resources into making themselves more powerful, they also make the average content in the game harder, because the content is balanced around averages. When they pour resources into chasing each other's prestige around the block, sure there are power benefits associated with that but the vast majority of those resources do not go into things that make the game harder for everyone else. That's ultimately why it is how it is. It is a way to monetize the game with the lowest impact on everyone else outside the bigger spenders in general.

DNA3000

In this game that would be entering American Pie territory.

Demonzfyre

Predatory and consensual.....those don't mean what you think those words mean.

GinjabredMonsta

I was waiting for a rewards complaint from this. This was a stretch though

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BigManOnCampus

That's like putting rims on a hoopty ....

Jaded

Oh I’d love to r4 my Nick Fury, lucky duck!!

I’ll probably get stuck with uhhh, well
Doesn’t matter what I get, I’ve invested in all classes enough to be happy with any class.

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PapaMidnite007

Thor ragnarok to rank 4 plus his prestige is amazing after his buff he is super solid to play... with Odin pre fights he can simply nuke opponents.

Kennado

I figured this is what you really meant before everyone hopped on and jumped down your throat. The lack of 6* sig stones in the game especially when the farmable ones (Cav EQ) are RNG, can be very frustrating. I get it. I too have every rank 4 option in each class to combat the RNG gem buuuut I won't look forward to a science or cosmic 3-4 gem because then that would mean the sigs for my intended second r4 (Kitty) would be compromised AND on top of it all, I would have to likely use a generic awakening, for either one, to go along with 199 sig stones. Why? Because the other awakening gem in the Act 7 is RNG and would be a skill awakening gem based on how much I've gotten those on my account. The two champs for me in question are Overseer or Knull btw. I'd be happy to bring either to r4 but I'd either have to whale out during spring cleaning or wait the bulk of year to get Kitty to sig 200.

Anyway, I say all that to say, that the dearth of sig stones in the game takes the joy out of the 3-4 gem for me because yeah, Sig stones are an absolute must and the champ that you intentionally want to take to r4 gets the **** end of it. I "overstand" your gripe.