Hit-monkey synergy with DPXF bugged?

007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 501 ★★★
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The synergy states that whenever a bleed fails to apply on the opponent due to an immunity, the opponent takes a burst of instant passive bleed damage. However, when I was using Hit-Monkey with the DPXF synergy active against bleed immunes (colossus, cgr, etc) in Cav EQ 3.1, I noticed the opponents weren't taking any burst damage at all.

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  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,026 ★★★★★
    Because they are bleed immune ... the synergy is mostly useful against debuff immune champions that aren't bleed immune
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 501 ★★★
    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    Because they are bleed immune ... the synergy is mostly useful against debuff immune champions that aren't bleed immune

    I'm fairly sure it applies to bleed immunity as well. It's a BURST damage, not PASSIVE bleeds. And I mentioned it in my post as well.


  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,026 ★★★★★
    As you mention in the post and even showed on the screenshot, it is passive bleed damage. Meaning it is bleed damage regardless and will not affect champions who are bleed immune
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 501 ★★★
    edited July 2022
    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    As you mention in the post and even showed on the screenshot, it is passive bleed damage. Meaning it is bleed damage regardless and will not affect champions who are bleed immune

    That doesn't make any sense. The screenshot says due to an immunity and it doesn't say debuff immunity specifically, implying that it should work against bleed immunes too
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,026 ★★★★★
    It doesn't imply that it should work on bleed immune champions.

    It states that "if any bleed fails to apply due to an immunity, deals a burst of instant bleed damage". Meaning that he will deal 1x single "tick" of damage as bleed damage. Similar to Nightcrawler bleeds, they don't work on bleed immune champions
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    It doesn't imply that it should work on bleed immune champions.

    It states that "if any bleed fails to apply due to an immunity, deals a burst of instant bleed damage". Meaning that he will deal 1x single "tick" of damage as bleed damage. Similar to Nightcrawler bleeds, they don't work on bleed immune champions

    This is def one of those very confusing wording situations. Would that mean it would work on clair while she is in blood curse? Or more like that node where debuffs and buffs can't be activated for 15 seconds?
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    The synergy states that whenever a bleed fails to apply on the opponent due to an immunity, the opponent takes a burst of instant passive bleed damage. However, when I was using Hit-Monkey with the DPXF synergy active against bleed immunes (colossus, cgr, etc) in Cav EQ 3.1, I noticed the opponents weren't taking any burst damage at all.

    Bleed damage cannot be applied to bleed immune champions.

    Just imagine the ability said "Hit monkey's crits trigger a passive bleed on the opponent". The type of damage is bleed damage, so it is impossible for a bleed immune champion to suffer this damage.

    You're misunderstanding the intention of the synergy. It's not meant to get around bleed immunity, it's meant to get around debuff immunity. Because debuff immune champions are immune to debuffs, so HM cannot apply his bleed debuffs because they are debuffs. Instead, the passive aspect is what's changed, so the passive bleed can trigger on debuff immune
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,026 ★★★★★
    GinjabredMonsta said:

    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    It doesn't imply that it should work on bleed immune champions.

    It states that "if any bleed fails to apply due to an immunity, deals a burst of instant bleed damage". Meaning that he will deal 1x single "tick" of damage as bleed damage. Similar to Nightcrawler bleeds, they don't work on bleed immune champions

    This is def one of those very confusing wording situations. Would that mean it would work on clair while she is in blood curse? Or more like that node where debuffs and buffs can't be activated for 15 seconds?
    Wouldn't work on claire, would work on that node.
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    GinjabredMonsta said:

    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    It doesn't imply that it should work on bleed immune champions.

    It states that "if any bleed fails to apply due to an immunity, deals a burst of instant bleed damage". Meaning that he will deal 1x single "tick" of damage as bleed damage. Similar to Nightcrawler bleeds, they don't work on bleed immune champions

    This is def one of those very confusing wording situations. Would that mean it would work on clair while she is in blood curse? Or more like that node where debuffs and buffs can't be activated for 15 seconds?
    Wouldn't work on claire, would work on that node.
    Gotcha Gotcha, thanks man
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Member Posts: 5,973 ★★★★★
    GinjabredMonsta said:

    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    It doesn't imply that it should work on bleed immune champions.

    It states that "if any bleed fails to apply due to an immunity, deals a burst of instant bleed damage". Meaning that he will deal 1x single "tick" of damage as bleed damage. Similar to Nightcrawler bleeds, they don't work on bleed immune champions

    This is def one of those very confusing wording situations. Would that mean it would work on clair while she is in blood curse? Or more like that node where debuffs and buffs can't be activated for 15 seconds?
    Yes, it should work on the Fisticuffs node. Or there nodes like "Right back at it" where opponents gain temporary debuff Immunity after knockdown.

    It should also (theoretically) work on someone like Taskmaster once he's debuff immune. Although champions who 'acquire' immunities can be tricky for abilities like this to recognise.

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