Roadmap 2023

Willsilver

Anyone else feel it might be time for Kabam to show the roadmap for 2023? At least to provide some kind of hope for a better future in this game?

Fit_Fun9329

Bro before releasing a roadmap for 2023, we need the things implemented from the last 2-3 roadmaps

Wildblue333

I think a character roadmap in November or December is fine. People liked that

Etm34

We need an update to the 2020 and 2021 roadmaps, along with the 2022 roadmap first lol

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SkyLord7000

Fit_Fun9329 said:

Bro before releasing a roadmap for 2023, we need the things implemented from the last 2-3 roadmaps

Etm34 said:

We need an update to the 2020 and 2021 roadmaps, along with the 2022 roadmap first lol

udyedagain said:

We still need like 10 things that were supposed to come the last 2 years bro...

I get that, but a new post with updated timelines would be really helpful. I feel like they’ve abandoned old projects like raids and wish crystals. Would be nice to have clarity.

Shadowstrike

SkyLord7000 said:

Fit_Fun9329 said:

Bro before releasing a roadmap for 2023, we need the things implemented from the last 2-3 roadmaps

Etm34 said:

We need an update to the 2020 and 2021 roadmaps, along with the 2022 roadmap first lol

udyedagain said:

We still need like 10 things that were supposed to come the last 2 years bro...

I get that, but a new post with updated timelines would be really helpful. I feel like they’ve abandoned old projects like raids and wish crystals. Would be nice to have clarity.

I think it's always nice to have an idea of where things are going behind the scenes but I also realize that we might be setting ourselves up for some disappointments if they tell us that somehow their eyes were bigger than their stomachs and promised the world, only to find out that it wasn't feasible.

Willsilver

Shadowstrike said:

SkyLord7000 said:

Fit_Fun9329 said:

Bro before releasing a roadmap for 2023, we need the things implemented from the last 2-3 roadmaps

Etm34 said:

We need an update to the 2020 and 2021 roadmaps, along with the 2022 roadmap first lol

udyedagain said:

We still need like 10 things that were supposed to come the last 2 years bro...

I get that, but a new post with updated timelines would be really helpful. I feel like they’ve abandoned old projects like raids and wish crystals. Would be nice to have clarity.

I think it's always nice to have an idea of where things are going behind the scenes but I also realize that we might be setting ourselves up for some disappointments if they tell us that somehow their eyes were bigger than their stomachs and promised the world, only to find out that it wasn't feasible.

Personally I would prefer to know if those things (ie raids, wish crystals) are actually going to happen or not. At least we would not be left wondering anymore.

BitterSteel

Fit_Fun9329 said:

Bro before releasing a roadmap for 2023, we need the things implemented from the last 2-3 roadmaps

I understand why you think that way, but remember that roadmaps aren’t “we will add these” it’s “we are currently thinking of adding this, and this is when we plan to do that at the moment”

If your comment is a bit tongue in cheek, and you think it’s fine to have a 2023 roadmap before everything from the last ones have been added, then fair enough. But just for the sake of those who seriously say that, it’s not really a logical point.

Not everything from roadmaps get added, plans change, things are superseded. I’d like a 2023 roadmap which explains what their current plans are, but just as long as they really spell out that this is a roadmap, not a campaign promise. Because we still have people wondering why Kabam didn’t ‘stick to what they said’, when that’s not what a roadmap is.

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Sbkrueb

At this point the 2023 roadmap is just a picture of a bus crashing into a wall

ItsDamien

GarrettN said:

Willsilver said:

Anyone else feel it might be time for Kabam to show the roadmap for 2023? At least to provide some kind of hope for a better future in this game?

Does it matter? Nothing from those ever actually shows up.

Nothing?

X to doubt on that.

Chatterofforums

Adding another roadmap at this stage is the equivalent to having a meeting to prepare for the meeting that is scheduled about an upcoming meeting.

Champ_Z

There's no map, that's why the game is lost

BitterSteel

GarrettN said:

Willsilver said:

Anyone else feel it might be time for Kabam to show the roadmap for 2023? At least to provide some kind of hope for a better future in this game?

Does it matter? Nothing from those ever actually shows up.

I’m sure this is an exaggeration and you don’t think it’s actually nothing. But I just want to address the wider issue that you’re implying Roadmaps don’t help us find out what’s coming soon or in the future.

So I went through the big roadmap 4 parter that was posted from June 2020, it covered Quests, Alliances, Champions and future. There are a ridiculous amount of things that were talked about that are in game now.

Just going through one of the four:
- a new vision for quest content (act 7 being different than 6). Note there are 5 different aspects to this all in act 7 that “showed up from the roadmap”
- Back issues 5 being added
- Champion boss being updated
- Reducing attack values for act 6
- Revisiting other pain points from act 6
- cavalier difficulty being added
- Boosting act 2 rewards
- New music being added
- boss rush announcement
- Summer of pain announcement


And that’s 1 out of the 4 sections of it. I can go and list all the other things that have happened from the other 3, but I think I’ve made my point. Roadmaps *do* announce stuff that are added to the game, and they are very useful even if you don’t think they are because a few things didn’t end up being added.



https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/author/mcoc-team/page/2/

Here’s the link where they all are. I’d suggest having a look through and seeing what the roadmaps actually were, and just have a look at how much stuff ended up being added to the game. One of those right now would be really welcomed so we could see what’s coming in the future.

RiderofHell

Last year during the 7 yr anniversary video they laid out the roadmap for the event quest and tho obviously we knew some Marvel tie-ins were happening but revealing characters is impossible unless they can but rather surprise us instead lol

RiderofHell

Willsilver said:

Anyone else feel it might be time for Kabam to show the roadmap for 2023? At least to provide some kind of hope for a better future in this game?

Still waiting on Wish crystals

Kabam Jax

We'd love to pull together a new roadmap. But, let me explain our hesitation, first.

I was not here when the previous roadmaps were created. Obviously, the world was flipped upside down in the last few years, and some specific features from the previous roadmaps were side-lined. Some of that may still be in the works, some of it may have been moved to a back burner in favour of some of the newer content we have released or planned, some of it may never surface.

That being said... There is a lingering sense from some of the community that anything that didn't see release was an "undelivered promise" and it comes up often enough to cause hesitation. Roadmaps are not promises, but rather concepts and ideas that the team are working towards. If they get to a step of development and decide a feature isn't going to provide a good player experience, or cannot feasibly fit into our game in its current state, they should step away from it and refocus.

If we don't circle back to the old roadmaps, some players will scoff at the new ones and claim everything is unlikely, or yell about what wasn't done ("why not do X like you said, first?"). If we do address the old roadmaps, it's open season for another group to argue that we didn't do enough, or that the reasons for not pursuing an idea were too weak.

If we do proceed with a new roadmap, we will have people that are mad about old roadmaps and we'll have people that will be disappointed if the features don't come to fruition, thus opening the situation to repeat itself on cycle.

You can see evidence of this type of thinking on this post and almost every other one about any previous roadmap. It's very nearly a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation.

All of that said. A new roadmap is something that we are interested in pulling together. I think if we establish early on that these are concepts and ideas and are not guaranteed to see release, it's something we could all move forward with. It could provide some transparency of what's happening behind the scenes and it could give us all an idea of what we should look forward to.

Badass84

Kabam Jax said:

We'd love to pull together a new roadmap. But, let me explain our hesitation, first.

I was not here when the previous roadmaps were created. Obviously, the world was flipped upside down in the last few years, and some specific features from the previous roadmaps were side-lined. Some of that may still be in the works, some of it may have been moved to a back burner in favour of some of the newer content we have released or planned, some of it may never surface.

That being said... There is a lingering sense from some of the community that anything that didn't see release was an "undelivered promise" and it comes up often enough to cause hesitation. Roadmaps are not promises, but rather concepts and ideas that the team are working towards. If they get to a step of development and decide a feature isn't going to provide a good player experience, or cannot feasibly fit into our game in its current state, they should step away from it and refocus.

If we don't circle back to the old roadmaps, some players will scoff at the new ones and claim everything is unlikely, or yell about what wasn't done ("why not do X like you said, first?"). If we do address the old roadmaps, it's open season for another group to argue that we didn't do enough, or that the reasons for not pursuing an idea were too weak.

If we do proceed with a new roadmap, we will have people that are mad about old roadmaps and we'll have people that will be disappointed if the features don't come to fruition, thus opening the situation to repeat itself on cycle.

You can see evidence of this type of thinking on this post and almost every other one about any previous roadmap. It's very nearly a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation.

All of that said. A new roadmap is something that we are interested in pulling together. I think if we establish early on that these are concepts and ideas and are not guaranteed to see release, it's something we could all move forward with. It could provide some transparency of what's happening behind the scenes and it could give us all an idea of what we should look forward to.

The biggest improvement for the community in the last years is you JAX.
Thanks for listen to our problems and answering in a straight forward non-ironic logic way.

BitterSteel

Kabam Jax said:

All of that said. A new roadmap is something that we are interested in pulling together. I think if we establish early on that these are concepts and ideas and are not guaranteed to see release, it's something we could all move forward with. It could provide some transparency of what's happening behind the scenes and it could give us all an idea of what we should look forward to.

Thanks for this whole post Jax that was a really great insight

I think what I've quoted here is the way to go, some members of the community take it as gospel that whatever in a roadmap will happen, and if it doesn't then there is some sort of failure to hold kabam to account for - even if the vast majority ends up added to the game.

If you really, really spell out in huge capital bold letters that nothing is guaranteed at all and that all it is, is an insight into what might happen in the future then I think you've created enough clarity. And then anyone who does end up mad that there was a "broken promise" will rightly just be reminded of what a roadmap is. If you make sure it's clear that a roadmap is a plan for what may be, and not what will be, then the only people getting mad will be those that have misunderstood due to themselves - not because of a lack of communication.

I love reading roadmaps, it keeps me excited for the future of the game - and not just for specific things, but for the fact that such a range of things are planned. I really hope you guys can find a way to get one out, but I understand the misgivings about why you may not want to.

Markjv81

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

Demonzfyre

Kabam Jax said:

We'd love to pull together a new roadmap. But, let me explain our hesitation, first.

I was not here when the previous roadmaps were created. Obviously, the world was flipped upside down in the last few years, and some specific features from the previous roadmaps were side-lined. Some of that may still be in the works, some of it may have been moved to a back burner in favour of some of the newer content we have released or planned, some of it may never surface.

That being said... There is a lingering sense from some of the community that anything that didn't see release was an "undelivered promise" and it comes up often enough to cause hesitation. Roadmaps are not promises, but rather concepts and ideas that the team are working towards. If they get to a step of development and decide a feature isn't going to provide a good player experience, or cannot feasibly fit into our game in its current state, they should step away from it and refocus.

If we don't circle back to the old roadmaps, some players will scoff at the new ones and claim everything is unlikely, or yell about what wasn't done ("why not do X like you said, first?"). If we do address the old roadmaps, it's open season for another group to argue that we didn't do enough, or that the reasons for not pursuing an idea were too weak.

If we do proceed with a new roadmap, we will have people that are mad about old roadmaps and we'll have people that will be disappointed if the features don't come to fruition, thus opening the situation to repeat itself on cycle.

You can see evidence of this type of thinking on this post and almost every other one about any previous roadmap. It's very nearly a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation.

All of that said. A new roadmap is something that we are interested in pulling together. I think if we establish early on that these are concepts and ideas and are not guaranteed to see release, it's something we could all move forward with. It could provide some transparency of what's happening behind the scenes and it could give us all an idea of what we should look forward to.

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Demonzfyre

Markjv81 said:

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

I could literally hear Jax's point sailing over your head.

FiiNCH

Kabam Jax said:

We'd love to pull together a new roadmap. But, let me explain our hesitation, first.

I was not here when the previous roadmaps were created. Obviously, the world was flipped upside down in the last few years, and some specific features from the previous roadmaps were side-lined. Some of that may still be in the works, some of it may have been moved to a back burner in favour of some of the newer content we have released or planned, some of it may never surface.

That being said... There is a lingering sense from some of the community that anything that didn't see release was an "undelivered promise" and it comes up often enough to cause hesitation. Roadmaps are not promises, but rather concepts and ideas that the team are working towards. If they get to a step of development and decide a feature isn't going to provide a good player experience, or cannot feasibly fit into our game in its current state, they should step away from it and refocus.

If we don't circle back to the old roadmaps, some players will scoff at the new ones and claim everything is unlikely, or yell about what wasn't done ("why not do X like you said, first?"). If we do address the old roadmaps, it's open season for another group to argue that we didn't do enough, or that the reasons for not pursuing an idea were too weak.

If we do proceed with a new roadmap, we will have people that are mad about old roadmaps and we'll have people that will be disappointed if the features don't come to fruition, thus opening the situation to repeat itself on cycle.

You can see evidence of this type of thinking on this post and almost every other one about any previous roadmap. It's very nearly a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation.

All of that said. A new roadmap is something that we are interested in pulling together. I think if we establish early on that these are concepts and ideas and are not guaranteed to see release, it's something we could all move forward with. It could provide some transparency of what's happening behind the scenes and it could give us all an idea of what we should look forward to.

Appreciate the clarification - roadmaps help provide the player base assurance the game we all enjoy will have continued investment from Kabam. I understand where you’re coming from and I hope you can reach a position where you’re comfortable sharing the next stages of this game.

BitterSteel

Markjv81 said:

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

I’d advise you to read Jax’s post in this thread. Because it addresses everything you’ve complained about here.

Wicket329

BitterSteel said:

Markjv81 said:

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

I’d advise you to read Jax’s post in this thread. Because it addresses everything you’ve complained about here.

Reading!? On a forum? In this economy!

BitterSteel

Wicket329 said:

BitterSteel said:

Markjv81 said:

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

I’d advise you to read Jax’s post in this thread. Because it addresses everything you’ve complained about here.

Reading!? On a forum? In this economy!

You'll get your literary comprehension when you fix this damn door

Markjv81

BitterSteel said:

Markjv81 said:

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

I’d advise you to read Jax’s post in this thread. Because it addresses everything you’ve complained about here.

I actually started my post before he replied but got sidetracked, essentially I said the exact thing he did, none of what I said was a complaint.

BitterSteel

Markjv81 said:

BitterSteel said:

Markjv81 said:

What’s the point of a road map when kabam doesn’t stick to them? It just lifts peoples expectations then follows years worth of posts asking when stuff is happening.

We still don’t have mastery changes, wish crystals, galactus raids, relics, plus the massive disappointment that is the champion buff program.

Granted Kabam have done a lot of good stuff but I would rather they under promise and over deliver, road maps tend to be the opposite.

I’d advise you to read Jax’s post in this thread. Because it addresses everything you’ve complained about here.

I actually started my post before he replied but got sidetracked, essentially I said the exact thing he did, none of what I said was a complaint.

Perhaps complaint was a harsh word. Yours was a complaint, but not a whining sort of one, just that you were speaking negatively about them and Jax addressed everything you said. So apologies if complaint gave off a bad impression.

I don’t think you said the same thing as him though, you still said what’s the point in road maps when Kabam don’t stick to them. Whereas Jax was saying roadmaps aren’t designed to be 100% stuck to, they are a plan for what is planned to be added but it may change. Sticking to roadmaps for the sake of it would actually be really unhealthy for the game.

Jax also raised an interesting point I haven’t seen anyone else raise (and I’m kinda baffled I didn’t think of it either), but there was this kinda big thing where there was a global pandemic, that’s got to have pushed back a fair few plans.

Tesladon

Roadmaps, schmodemaps…just stick with Mapquest. Powered by TomTom.

Jestuh

Kabam Jax said:

We'd love to pull together a new roadmap. But, let me explain our hesitation, first.

I was not here when the previous roadmaps were created. Obviously, the world was flipped upside down in the last few years, and some specific features from the previous roadmaps were side-lined. Some of that may still be in the works, some of it may have been moved to a back burner in favour of some of the newer content we have released or planned, some of it may never surface.

That being said... There is a lingering sense from some of the community that anything that didn't see release was an "undelivered promise" and it comes up often enough to cause hesitation. Roadmaps are not promises, but rather concepts and ideas that the team are working towards. If they get to a step of development and decide a feature isn't going to provide a good player experience, or cannot feasibly fit into our game in its current state, they should step away from it and refocus.

If we don't circle back to the old roadmaps, some players will scoff at the new ones and claim everything is unlikely, or yell about what wasn't done ("why not do X like you said, first?"). If we do address the old roadmaps, it's open season for another group to argue that we didn't do enough, or that the reasons for not pursuing an idea were too weak.

If we do proceed with a new roadmap, we will have people that are mad about old roadmaps and we'll have people that will be disappointed if the features don't come to fruition, thus opening the situation to repeat itself on cycle.

You can see evidence of this type of thinking on this post and almost every other one about any previous roadmap. It's very nearly a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation.

All of that said. A new roadmap is something that we are interested in pulling together. I think if we establish early on that these are concepts and ideas and are not guaranteed to see release, it's something we could all move forward with. It could provide some transparency of what's happening behind the scenes and it could give us all an idea of what we should look forward to.

I was just coming to make all those points Jax! Damnit you preempted me!