Is this a bug? A strange interaction? what am I missing?

Garlo

I was fighting in war, node 15, Annihilus (me) vs Hulkbuster.

Each time HB threw a SA he took away my cosmic control rod. I read and read their abilities and the description node and I can't figure how this is possible.

Does anyone know what happened?

Additional note: I did a practice fight and the same thing happened.

GrassKnuckles

Annihilus’ rod gets removed by armor break

JragonMaster170

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Garlo

GrassKnuckles said:

Annihilus’ rod gets removed by armor break

I read his abilities and there is no mention about it.

danielmath

Garlo said:

GrassKnuckles said:

Annihilus’ rod gets removed by armor break

I read his abilities and there is no mention about it.

It’s because armor break is coded as a nullify, not sure why

GrassKnuckles

Garlo said:

GrassKnuckles said:

Annihilus’ rod gets removed by armor break

I read his abilities and there is no mention about it.

It’s not in his abilities, it’s just kinda a thing

ReignkingTW

That's messed up.

AMS94

The game often treats armor break as a nullify

Garlo

@Kabam Miike, according to the answers, is correct that armor break nullifies the Annihilus's cosmic control rod? Or what happens in this case?

Squirrelguy

It has always been a thing in-game that armor break counts as a nullify. I don't think it directly violates any game mechanics (so I wouldn't consider it "messed up"), but it is one of those unwritten game rules that has been here for years and years. It is similar to some other less-known interactions like those who could initially ignore inverted controls (I think this has been actually added to certain descriptions now but I don't believe it was specifically stated originally). There are deep layers to the game when it has this many champs and interactions, etc. The more you play, the more you know.

ItsDamien

Essentially armour break nullifies armour, regardless if you’ve got an armour buff or passive. It’s a very specific interaction in the case of armour breaks, I can only assume that it was coded that way to make it differentiate between a regular nullify and a specific one for armour. Whether this ever gets changed or not, we’ll have to see but I don’t think it will (While this isn’t beneficial to have it this way for Annihilus, I’d rather not have a multitude of other things break if they were to change years old code). But for now, you can only avoid armour break champs while using Annihilus.

AverageDesi

Squirrelguy said:

It has always been a thing in-game that armor break counts as a nullify. I don't think it directly violates any game mechanics (so I wouldn't consider it "messed up"), but it is one of those unwritten game rules that has been here for years and years. It is similar to some other less-known interactions like those who could initially ignore inverted controls (I think this has been actually added to certain descriptions now but I don't believe it was specifically stated originally). There are deep layers to the game when it has this many champs and interactions, etc. The more you play, the more you know.

It actually didn't count always. It happend at some point after annihilusus release

ItsDamien

AverageDesi said:

Squirrelguy said:

It has always been a thing in-game that armor break counts as a nullify. I don't think it directly violates any game mechanics (so I wouldn't consider it "messed up"), but it is one of those unwritten game rules that has been here for years and years. It is similar to some other less-known interactions like those who could initially ignore inverted controls (I think this has been actually added to certain descriptions now but I don't believe it was specifically stated originally). There are deep layers to the game when it has this many champs and interactions, etc. The more you play, the more you know.

It actually didn't count always. It happend at some point after annihilusus release

That’s incorrect. It has always worked like that. We didn’t know it worked like that until people noticed Annihilus losing his cosmic rod when getting an armour break. We had no other example prior of Armour break counting as a nullify prior.

AverageDesi

ItsDamien said:

AverageDesi said:

Squirrelguy said:

It has always been a thing in-game that armor break counts as a nullify. I don't think it directly violates any game mechanics (so I wouldn't consider it "messed up"), but it is one of those unwritten game rules that has been here for years and years. It is similar to some other less-known interactions like those who could initially ignore inverted controls (I think this has been actually added to certain descriptions now but I don't believe it was specifically stated originally). There are deep layers to the game when it has this many champs and interactions, etc. The more you play, the more you know.

It actually didn't count always. It happend at some point after annihilusus release

That’s incorrect. It has always worked like that. We didn’t know it worked like that until people noticed Annihilus losing his cosmic rod when getting an armour break. We had no other example prior of Armour break counting as a nullify prior.

@ItsDamien

AverageDesi

This is from the EQ of annihius

AverageDesi

There's more videos on YouTube from his eq

ItsDamien

Running Pacify by any chance?

Garlo

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

AverageDesi said:

Squirrelguy said:

It has always been a thing in-game that armor break counts as a nullify. I don't think it directly violates any game mechanics (so I wouldn't consider it "messed up"), but it is one of those unwritten game rules that has been here for years and years. It is similar to some other less-known interactions like those who could initially ignore inverted controls (I think this has been actually added to certain descriptions now but I don't believe it was specifically stated originally). There are deep layers to the game when it has this many champs and interactions, etc. The more you play, the more you know.

It actually didn't count always. It happend at some point after annihilusus release

That’s incorrect. It has always worked like that. We didn’t know it worked like that until people noticed Annihilus losing his cosmic rod when getting an armour break. We had no other example prior of Armour break counting as a nullify prior.

@ItsDamien

I fought in practice mode, Medusa vs Annihilus and he lost his rod when Medusa applies armor brake. Also fought with another champs who apply armor break and in all cases Annihilus lost his rod

AverageDesi

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

ItsDamien

Running Pacify by any chance?

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

Where does it say his Rod is unaffected by ability accuracy? His obliterating strikes are but that’s the only mention of any ability accuracy reduction.

AverageDesi

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

Where does it say his Rod is unaffected by ability accuracy? His obliterating strikes are but that’s the only mention of any ability accuracy reduction.

That's the game interaction🤷‍♂️. There are many things in champ kits that are usually unaffected by ability accuracy but not mentioned.

ItsDamien

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

Where does it say his Rod is unaffected by ability accuracy? His obliterating strikes are but that’s the only mention of any ability accuracy reduction.

That's the game interaction🤷‍♂️. There are many things in champ kits that are usually unaffected by ability accuracy but not mentioned.

So it’s an assumption that it’s unaffected? Got it.

AverageDesi

ItsDamien said:

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

Where does it say his Rod is unaffected by ability accuracy? His obliterating strikes are but that’s the only mention of any ability accuracy reduction.

That's the game interaction🤷‍♂️. There are many things in champ kits that are usually unaffected by ability accuracy but not mentioned.

So it’s an assumption that it’s unaffected? Got it.

It's easily testable if you want to. Just go in with magneto and throw your sp2. The rod will always be removed even with 70% aar

ItsDamien

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

Where does it say his Rod is unaffected by ability accuracy? His obliterating strikes are but that’s the only mention of any ability accuracy reduction.

That's the game interaction🤷‍♂️. There are many things in champ kits that are usually unaffected by ability accuracy but not mentioned.

So it’s an assumption that it’s unaffected? Got it.

It's easily testable if you want to. Just go in with magneto and throw your sp2. The rod will always be removed even with 70% aar

And does CAIW with synergy never remove his rod both with and without Pacify? Easily tested.

AverageDesi

ItsDamien said:

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

AverageDesi said:

ItsDamien said:

Running Pacify by any chance?

Removal of rod is unaffected by ability accuracy. The furies he gains after are affected by ability accuracy

Where does it say his Rod is unaffected by ability accuracy? His obliterating strikes are but that’s the only mention of any ability accuracy reduction.

That's the game interaction🤷‍♂️. There are many things in champ kits that are usually unaffected by ability accuracy but not mentioned.

So it’s an assumption that it’s unaffected? Got it.

It's easily testable if you want to. Just go in with magneto and throw your sp2. The rod will always be removed even with 70% aar

And does CAIW with synergy never remove his rod both with and without Pacify? Easily tested.

The videos of him not removing the rod are from back when annihilus was released. It's not the case now. There are multiple instances in the videos of cap not removing rod with armour break.

If what you said were the case you could easily run cap against annihilus and show that he fails to remove the rod when running pacify