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Battlegrounds Matchups are Really Stupid Sometimes

I am a Thronebreaker player, this is my Battlegrounds deck

No rank 4's, 5 rank 3's, 3 rank 2's and a bunch of 5/65's and rank 1 6*. I am in Diamond 2 right now. Ever since I started playing Battlegrounds, I have been matched with players with ridiculously op decks, which are way beyond the level of any TB player. At first it was occasional, and then as I progressed, these matchups became even more common. Since I reached Platinum 2, I have been matched with Paragon players or whales every other match. I must have wasted atleast 5-6 full energy refills just to get to diamond 2, simple because I was given unwinnable matches. Battlegrounds is supposed to be a solo competitive mode, but I don't see the competition if the match is one sided. I mean, a TB player like me cannot be expected to win against players with half their decks full of rank 4's and the rest of them rank 3's. I am sure this has happened to others as well. This needs to be addressed ASAP, because if this goes on, then a lot of the playerbase will lose interest in this mode for good

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  • Hitman565Hitman565 Posts: 27
    There is also the issue of modders, and yes, I have faced a lotta those too, but that is a different topic altogether, I wanted to focus this thread on solely the unwinnable matches that some players get
  • Hitman565Hitman565 Posts: 27
    I would like to clarify that I never said I wanted easy matches. I said I wanted matches that were tuned to my team rating, or team strength or something like that. The matches I am getting are impossible to win for someone with my team. And it's not just for me. I have also been matched with Uncollected and Cavalier accounts that were a joke for me, but conversely, for the other guy, it was an unwinnable match. Stronger matches imply challenging fights, not a guaranteed defeat.
  • FenicoFenico Posts: 306 ★★★
    Hitman565 said:

    I would like to clarify that I never said I wanted easy matches. I said I wanted matches that were tuned to my team rating, or team strength or something like that. The matches I am getting are impossible to win for someone with my team. And it's not just for me. I have also been matched with Uncollected and Cavalier accounts that were a joke for me, but conversely, for the other guy, it was an unwinnable match. Stronger matches imply challenging fights, not a guaranteed defeat.

    Sarcasm aside, system you are proposing wouldn't be good either. From view of single player, it would be good for him but from view of the whole game, there could easilly be Uncollected players in top 10 in the world overtaking endgame players, just because they never match togerher.
  • Panchulon21Panchulon21 Posts: 2,605 ★★★★★
    You’re complaining that you’re moving up the ladder, and getting matched with people who have larger rosters than you.

    You moved up to Diamond, there won’t be as many thronebreakers there as paragons. The more your progress they harder it should be. Unless you want to sit there and wait 5-10 mins for matchmaking you’ll need to pay your dues to continue to move up. Which means facing accounts larger than yours. I face whales all the time, I’m paragon but there are different paragon tiers. I don’t complain when I face an account that has 8-9 rank 4s and not 1 rank 2 in their deck.

    Same as war, if you’re in a smaller alliance with skilled folks eventually if you win enough you’ll be out matched again a much bigger alliance and get your butt kicked
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 9,254 ★★★★★
    Hitman565 said:

    I would like to clarify that I never said I wanted easy matches. I said I wanted matches that were tuned to my team rating, or team strength or something like that. The matches I am getting are impossible to win for someone with my team. And it's not just for me. I have also been matched with Uncollected and Cavalier accounts that were a joke for me, but conversely, for the other guy, it was an unwinnable match. Stronger matches imply challenging fights, not a guaranteed defeat.

    If you only let the Uncollected players fight uncollected players then they never fight anyone who’s paragon, and if the uncollected player wins a higher % and/or more of his matches than the Paragon players then we could have a leaderboard with uncollected, proven and conqueror players because they get scored higher.

    When you make matches on deck strength, you also encourage players to exploit it by adding lower stars. If you match it on account strength then you screw over anyone who is less skilled compared to people with similar rated rosters.

    You can pretty easily drop the current rating and get fairer matches by losing, but how do you drop account rating? You can’t. You just would eternally be matching with harder fights because you’re less skilled.

    What about if you’re more skilled than the people around your account rating? Eternal easy fights.

    I could take an Alt, which is pretty low, and just go beat up conqueror players at similar ratings constantly, then you’d see me first on the leaderboard because I never match harder fights.

    The fights are currently tuned to how good you are, and that’s a mixture of your skill and your roster. If you’re better and you win then you will improve your rating, if you’re worse and lose then you’ll decrease it. Overall, it’s the fairest method and so many competitions use this method of matchmaking. World class chess for example.

    Let’s say we match making on roster strength, let’s take an example of two players. They are exactly the same skill, they have the same number of R3s, but one of them has ranked up all 3*s. Their roster is judged as “better” and they get harder matchups. Is that a fair system?

    Other scoring methods that include roster or deck strength no longer judge you on how good you are. This one does.
  • Etm34Etm34 Posts: 1,644 ★★★★★
    Hitman565 said:

    I would like to clarify that I never said I wanted easy matches. I said I wanted matches that were tuned to my team rating, or team strength or something like that. The matches I am getting are impossible to win for someone with my team. And it's not just for me. I have also been matched with Uncollected and Cavalier accounts that were a joke for me, but conversely, for the other guy, it was an unwinnable match. Stronger matches imply challenging fights, not a guaranteed defeat.

    That’s not fair to those also in your same bracket, this case the third highest tier of the Victory Track. You face those in the same bracket as you, regardless of roster. You had the skill to get there, now you have to face those who’ve also had the skill.

    Also it’s not a guaranteed unwinnable match. The opponent can slip up. I’m a Diamond 1 player with 10 R4s who just absolutely bottled a fight because I forgot to block. It happens.

    Anyways point is, you can’t complain about tough matchups when you’re in a high tier of PvP. That’s how it’s supposed to work
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Hitman565 said:

    I am a Thronebreaker player, this is my Battlegrounds deck

    No rank 4's, 5 rank 3's, 3 rank 2's and a bunch of 5/65's and rank 1 6*. I am in Diamond 2 right now. Ever since I started playing Battlegrounds, I have been matched with players with ridiculously op decks, which are way beyond the level of any TB player. At first it was occasional, and then as I progressed, these matchups became even more common. Since I reached Platinum 2, I have been matched with Paragon players or whales every other match. I must have wasted atleast 5-6 full energy refills just to get to diamond 2, simple because I was given unwinnable matches. Battlegrounds is supposed to be a solo competitive mode, but I don't see the competition if the match is one sided. I mean, a TB player like me cannot be expected to win against players with half their decks full of rank 4's and the rest of them rank 3's. I am sure this has happened to others as well. This needs to be addressed ASAP, because if this goes on, then a lot of the playerbase will lose interest in this mode for good

    If you want to be segregated apart from stronger competition, you also think you should be segregated apart from the ability to earn the same rewards as that stronger competition.
  • RebarkRebark Posts: 344 ★★★
    It's frustrating but I think you're complaining for nothing. I faced several people with a 5 star deck (well built) and even though I beat them very easily because my deck is much stronger, they managed to climb. Even with a lot of 6 star rank 4 it was hard to get past diamond 1. It's part of what competitive mode is, just keep playing slowly and eventually you'll go up.
  • Blizzard28Blizzard28 Posts: 90
    Matchmaking is fine... You are just in a bracket where you don't belong
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Posts: 3,157 ★★★★★
    I'm on the other side. I have 4 r4, and the rest are r3 with one r2 Havok and had trouble getting out of Gold 1. So I had a much more stacked roster than you and had difficulty. It comes back to skill, which I lack more than others.
  • Da2Vero33ManDa2Vero33Man Posts: 156
    I don’t know who will see this but the Battlegrounds matchups are often times VERY lopsided. I do not need to post examples. The programming team can review my matches and see I go against teams who have quite a few r4 6* champs. I have 4 and I am lucky I have 4. The matchup system is not very good. I am convinced it needs to be corrected.
  • ПахаMBchПахаMBch Posts: 14

    Every 3rd- 5th combat session is like this)). They just ignore the players!!!
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