Magneto reduces attack rating of #metal tech champs

magnus_xix

There's a bug with Magneto's ability to remove the opponent's class advantage attack bonus. Instead of just removing it, he gives the opponent an attack penalty.

Medium without magnetised and class advantage

Medium with magnetised but without class advantage



Medium without magnetised but with class advantage


Medium with magnetised and class advantage

K00shMaan

magnus_xix said:

There's a bug with Magneto's ability to remove the opponent's class advantage attack bonus. Instead of just removing it, he gives the opponent an attack penalty.

Medium without magnetised and class advantage

Medium with magnetised but without class advantage



Medium without magnetised but with class advantage


Medium with magnetised and class advantage

I don't know what you're trying to show with these images. DragonMan is a neutral class against Magneto so his attack wouldn't be affected by Magnetism which is consistent with your photo. Ghost has a class advantage against Magneto and should be doing more damage until the magnetism comes into effect which is also consistent with you photos.

Maratox

This isn’t a bug. That first medium from ghost is her with the class advantage attack bonus, and the second one is her without the class advantage attack bonus.

Furrymoosen

The Dragonman pictures are absolutely pointless, but OP is correct in pointing this out. Magnetism or not, Ghost’s damage should not have changed. Magneto undoes class advantage from the get go whether the champ would be magnetized or not. Ghost shouldn’t have hit harder prior to magnetism. I also have to question why someone would use those 2 champs against Mags, but I will assume the bug was caught elsewhere and this is an attempt at recreation.

AverageDesi

Yes. Also he applies armour break instead of suicide bleed at fight start . This is also a bug

Theretic

Furrymoosen said:

The Dragonman pictures are absolutely pointless, but OP is correct in pointing this out. Magnetism or not, Ghost’s damage should not have changed. Magneto undoes class advantage from the get go whether the champ would be magnetized or not. Ghost shouldn’t have hit harder prior to magnetism. I also have to question why someone would use those 2 champs against Mags, but I will assume the bug was caught elsewhere and this is an attempt at recreation.

Auntm.ai does a poor job at showing Magneto’s abilities, it never shows the magnet tag for abilities



His ignoring class disadvantage is dependant on his opponent being metal

K00shMaan

Auntm.ai needs to update the description because it is clearly listed in game that it occurs when the Magnet effect is active. In game description is "supposed" to be the most trustworthy source.

Demonzfyre

Furrymoosen said:

The Dragonman pictures are absolutely pointless, but OP is correct in pointing this out. Magnetism or not, Ghost’s damage should not have changed. Magneto undoes class advantage from the get go whether the champ would be magnetized or not. Ghost shouldn’t have hit harder prior to magnetism. I also have to question why someone would use those 2 champs against Mags, but I will assume the bug was caught elsewhere and this is an attempt at recreation.

No. He only ignores class disadvantage for metal champs while magnetized. Not all tech champs are metal.

Furrymoosen

Fair game, I lose. Tested it in game to confirm and I was incorrect. So I’ll switch sides.

magnus_xix

Maybe this is better for what I'm trying to show



Nimrod gets increased attack rating per armour up in blitz protocol and yet I'm doing less damage against Magneto than I am against Star Lord even though I have way more armor ups. This has to be because Magneto has an attack penalty associated with his magnetised ability.

magnus_xix

Zan0 said:

magnus_xix said:

Maybe this is better for what I'm trying to show



Nimrod gets increased attack rating per armour up in blitz protocol and yet I'm doing less damage against Magneto than I am against Star Lord even though I have way more armor ups. This has to be because Magneto has an attack penalty associated with his magnetised ability.

What are You not understanding? While magnetised tech attackers lose their increased attack rating

Each armour up gives +10% attack rating
Class advantage gives +40%

Against starlord that's +60%

Against Magneto that would be +100% from the armours then an additional +40% because of class advantage for a total of +140 but because Magneto removes the bonus from having class advantage will get reduced back down to +100%.

+100% > +60% yet I'm doing less damage against Magneto than I am vs Star lord

Demonzfyre

Blows my mind how you're just ignoring everyone on here telling you you're wrong.

Ghost_Fan

Demonzfyre said:

Blows my mind how you're just ignoring everyone on here telling you you're wrong.

and instead of helping the guy understand why he is wrong (as you claim), you decide to write this...

Demonzfyre

Ghost_Fan said:

Demonzfyre said:

Blows my mind how you're just ignoring everyone on here telling you you're wrong.

and instead of helping the guy understand why he is wrong (as you claim), you decide to write this...

What more would you like us to add? It's been explained like 5 times in this thread.

Ghost_Fan

Demonzfyre said:

Ghost_Fan said:

Demonzfyre said:

Blows my mind how you're just ignoring everyone on here telling you you're wrong.

and instead of helping the guy understand why he is wrong (as you claim), you decide to write this...

What more would you like us to add? It's been explained like 5 times in this thread.

And I bet you can't explain it one more time more thoroughly than the others. That would certainly not make the guy understand where he is wrong

Pikolu

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

magnus_xix

Amazing_Demon05 said:

magnus_xix said:

Zan0 said:

magnus_xix said:

Maybe this is better for what I'm trying to show



Nimrod gets increased attack rating per armour up in blitz protocol and yet I'm doing less damage against Magneto than I am against Star Lord even though I have way more armor ups. This has to be because Magneto has an attack penalty associated with his magnetised ability.

What are You not understanding? While magnetised tech attackers lose their increased attack rating

Each armour up gives +10% attack rating
Class advantage gives +40%

Against starlord that's +60%

Against Magneto that would be +100% from the armours then an additional +40% because of class advantage for a total of +140 but because Magneto removes the bonus from having class advantage will get reduced back down to +100%.

+100% > +60% yet I'm doing less damage against Magneto than I am vs Star lord

Where does it say armor ups give 10% attack rating
i can see a armor ups increase potency but i cant find any 10% line

Blitz protocol gives +40% attack rating and each armour up increases this by an additional 25%. 25% of 40 is 10%.

Pikolu

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Demonzfyre

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

magnus_xix

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

OK now explain the Nimrod scenario

Admittedly, the first screenshots were poor in trying to explain the issue

Demonzfyre

magnus_xix said:

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

OK now explain the Nimrod scenario

Admittedly, the first screenshots were poor in trying to explain the issue

What are you wanting explained?

magnus_xix

Demonzfyre said:

magnus_xix said:

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

OK now explain the Nimrod scenario

Admittedly, the first screenshots were poor in trying to explain the issue

What are you wanting explained?

Why Nimord is doing less damage against Magneto than he is against Star Lord even though he (Nimrod) should have a higher attack rating vs Magneto

Ortoun

He shouldn't though, he loses his class bonus to attack because of magnetism. As far as doing more vs starlord, they are different champs. They probably have different armor and resistance, so if those stats are higher on mags then would make sense he is taking less damage.

Badass84

magnus_xix said:

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

OK now explain the Nimrod scenario

Admittedly, the first screenshots were poor in trying to explain the issue

You forgot:

Nimrod is immune to ability accuracy reduction of mutants. Never use a Mutant against Nimrod even Mags.

magnus_xix

Ortoun said:

He shouldn't though, he loses his class bonus to attack because of magnetism. As far as doing more vs starlord, they are different champs. They probably have different armor and resistance, so if those stats are higher on mags then would make sense he is taking less damage.

Each armour up gives Nimrod more attack so yes he should.

Both champs have the same armour rating and energy resistance.

magnus_xix

Badass84 said:

magnus_xix said:

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

OK now explain the Nimrod scenario

Admittedly, the first screenshots were poor in trying to explain the issue

You forgot:

Nimrod is immune to ability accuracy reduction of mutants. Never use a Mutant against Nimrod even Mags.

What's ability accuracy got to do with doing less damage?

Badass84

magnus_xix said:

Badass84 said:

magnus_xix said:

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Pikolu said:

It's only against a tech champ that's ALSO metal, just not shown on Auntmai

(Sorry quoted wrong message)

Okay? Your point? OP argued with ghost, I don't care about the other side arguments that have occurred.

Ghost is only effected when magmatism is on. Their screenshot show with and without since it takes 1 second to activate. Magneto reverses the class difference after 1 second.

OK now explain the Nimrod scenario

Admittedly, the first screenshots were poor in trying to explain the issue

You forgot:

Nimrod is immune to ability accuracy reduction of mutants. Never use a Mutant against Nimrod even Mags.

What's ability accuracy got to do with doing less damage?

The magnetism doesn't work against Nimrod 🤷‍♂️