BG matchmaking is horrible and I'm sick of it.

Chikel

I have a total of 3 R4 and 14 R3. I just became Paragon 2 weeks ago and since then, my matchmaking has gone completely bonkers.

I'm getting matched with people like this regularly

What's the point in playing then? Even if I play perfectly, I simply can't win. I lose 5-9 matches in a row. It used to be more balanced last season when I was Thronebreaker.

It's frustrating and there's zero fun in it. Something needs to change.

LiLbee2

Post your deck to see the difference? Your opponent has actually average more like lower strenght roster for a paragon

IamGrO_ot

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

Colinwhitworth69

Wait a week and try again. Good players/big rosters might have moved up by then, leaving more reasonable matches.

The point of a leaderboard/progression system like this isn’t to provide fair matchups. You have to compete, and that means facing bigger dogs.

Believe me, I have a great roster and I still face better ones with loads of nasty defenders that need specific counters. It’s a thing.

Bugmat78

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

You shouldn't encourage sandbagging.

OP , one option is to just use a weaker deck overall (not the same as sandbagging) and match up to decks at equal strength eg all 4* or all 5*.

Another is just wait until the bigger accounts have progressed to the gladiator track. It will mean possibly missing out in some of the 48 hour objectives, but will be less stressful matching when the big whales are higher up.

Furrymoosen

Bugmat78 said:

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

You shouldn't encourage sandbagging.

OP , one option is to just use a weaker deck overall (not the same as sandbagging) and match up to decks at equal strength eg all 4* or all 5*.

Another is just wait until the bigger accounts have progressed to the gladiator track. It will mean possibly missing out in some of the 48 hour objectives, but will be less stressful matching when the big whales are higher up.

Agreed, no one should encourage sandbagging at all. “If you can’t beat them, join them” shouldn’t be a reasonable application here.
Downside to a low deck, you’re unfortunately more likely to meet sandbaggers. I was running a 4/5 deck for a bit for kicks and giggles and after getting into high silver it was a sandbaggers 75% of the time.

OP, just keep pushing. It’ll clear up after awhile and the big accounts will start to thin out as they progress and move into the gladiators circuit. Gotta be able to play with the big accounts if you want to progress like the big accounts.

Chatterofforums

Chikel said:

I have a total of 3 R4 and 14 R3. I just became Paragon 2 weeks ago and since then, my matchmaking has gone completely bonkers.

I'm getting matched with people like this regularly

What's the point in playing then? Even if I play perfectly, I simply can't win. I lose 5-9 matches in a row. It used to be more balanced last season when I was Thronebreaker.

It's frustrating and there's zero fun in it. Something needs to change.

So you are competing for the same rewards as those stronger than you but you don't think you should have to face them?! You know how entitled that sounds?

IamGrO_ot

Bugmat78 said:

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

You shouldn't encourage sandbagging.

OP , one option is to just use a weaker deck overall (not the same as sandbagging) and match up to decks at equal strength eg all 4* or all 5*.

Another is just wait until the bigger accounts have progressed to the gladiator track. It will mean possibly missing out in some of the 48 hour objectives, but will be less stressful matching when the big whales are higher up.

In bronze and silver I ran 2*s only, 3*s only and 4*s only decks, and it worked fine. Then I ended up in gold, facing 9 sandbaggers where 8 got enough R3s (at least 4) against my 4*s only deck. It was like 1 lamb against a pack of hungry wolves. So I decided to become a wolf myself. 40+ fights later, I've only met 2 players who aren't sandbaggers.

I'm in Diamant2 now, and I don't stress about the process. I run only on free energy and free elder marks from progression.

I will be in the GC during the coming week, zero stress or pressure, zero units or $ used.

It is not my job to change sandbagging, but those in charge does little or nothing about it. We are in season 3, they’ve been given enough time to fix it imo. So IDGAFA.

Just enjoy the ride 🏍️💨

Ironman3000

If you can't win you don't deserve the rewards.

Chikel

Chatterofforums said:

Chikel said:

I have a total of 3 R4 and 14 R3. I just became Paragon 2 weeks ago and since then, my matchmaking has gone completely bonkers.

I'm getting matched with people like this regularly

What's the point in playing then? Even if I play perfectly, I simply can't win. I lose 5-9 matches in a row. It used to be more balanced last season when I was Thronebreaker.

It's frustrating and there's zero fun in it. Something needs to change.

So you are competing for the same rewards as those stronger than you but you don't think you should have to face them?! You know how entitled that sounds?

It's not entitlement to ask for fairer matchups. Look at AW, whales and smaller players don't play on the same tier and you don't see me complaining about it. Various other games have divisions and tiers for good reason.

While a no-holds dog-eat-dog kind of playstyle might sound exciting for big accounts, it's not very fun or rewarding for the rest of us.

I played BG last season like I said: The matchmaking was much fairer and I had minimal complaints.

Chikel

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

That rating is largely 3* which I ranked up for fun. I also have 30+ r5 that are largely useless against whale accounts.

Chikel

IamGrO_ot said:

Bugmat78 said:

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

You shouldn't encourage sandbagging.

OP , one option is to just use a weaker deck overall (not the same as sandbagging) and match up to decks at equal strength eg all 4* or all 5*.

Another is just wait until the bigger accounts have progressed to the gladiator track. It will mean possibly missing out in some of the 48 hour objectives, but will be less stressful matching when the big whales are higher up.

In bronze and silver I ran 2*s only, 3*s only and 4*s only decks, and it worked fine. Then I ended up in gold, facing 9 sandbaggers where 8 got enough R3s (at least 4) against my 4*s only deck. It was like 1 lamb against a pack of hungry wolves. So I decided to become a wolf myself. 40+ fights later, I've only met 2 players who aren't sandbaggers.

I'm in Diamant2 now, and I don't stress about the process. I run only on free energy and free elder marks from progression.

I will be in the GC during the coming week, zero stress or pressure, zero units or $ used.

It is not my job to change sandbagging, but those in charge does little or nothing about it. We are in season 3, they’ve been given enough time to fix it imo. So IDGAFA.

Just enjoy the ride 🏍️💨

I have always been against sandbagging and avoided it. But if it's the only way to avoid being crushed by the whale accounts, why not? I didn't make the rules and there's no fun in losing

Chikel

Furrymoosen said:

Bugmat78 said:

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

You shouldn't encourage sandbagging.

OP , one option is to just use a weaker deck overall (not the same as sandbagging) and match up to decks at equal strength eg all 4* or all 5*.

Another is just wait until the bigger accounts have progressed to the gladiator track. It will mean possibly missing out in some of the 48 hour objectives, but will be less stressful matching when the big whales are higher up.

Agreed, no one should encourage sandbagging at all. “If you can’t beat them, join them” shouldn’t be a reasonable application here.
Downside to a low deck, you’re unfortunately more likely to meet sandbaggers. I was running a 4/5 deck for a bit for kicks and giggles and after getting into high silver it was a sandbaggers 75% of the time.

OP, just keep pushing. It’ll clear up after awhile and the big accounts will start to thin out as they progress and move into the gladiators circuit. Gotta be able to play with the big accounts if you want to progress like the big accounts.

Your advice is good. But it's not supposed to be like that. People aren't supposed to wait a week or two to get fair matchups.

It's obvious something is broken

Chatterofforums

Chikel said:

Chatterofforums said:

Chikel said:

I have a total of 3 R4 and 14 R3. I just became Paragon 2 weeks ago and since then, my matchmaking has gone completely bonkers.

I'm getting matched with people like this regularly

What's the point in playing then? Even if I play perfectly, I simply can't win. I lose 5-9 matches in a row. It used to be more balanced last season when I was Thronebreaker.

It's frustrating and there's zero fun in it. Something needs to change.

So you are competing for the same rewards as those stronger than you but you don't think you should have to face them?! You know how entitled that sounds?

It's not entitlement to ask for fairer matchups. Look at AW, whales and smaller players don't play on the same tier and you don't see me complaining about it. Various other games have divisions and tiers for good reason.

While a no-holds dog-eat-dog kind of playstyle might sound exciting for big accounts, it's not very fun or rewarding for the rest of us.

I played BG last season like I said: The matchmaking was much fairer and I had minimal complaints.

But they are completing for the same rewards just like in BG and the higher players get better rewards and the lower players get lower rewards. What your asking for is same rewards as the higher players in BG.

I do agree Kabam should work a way to separate the tiers better either by having different leagues (with different rewards) or not doing a complete rating reset each season (like AW) but ensure those with minimal reset are able to get the same rewards from the progression milestones.

altavista

The problem with arguments about Sandbagging is that people argue two different things related to fairness.

There is Reward Fairness and Match Fairness.

With Reward Fairness, since everyone is accessing the same rewards, the argument that Paragon players can sandbag/beat on Cavalier players has merit. More advanced players should by definition get better rewards. Cavalier players shouldn't have an easier path to Diamond and beyond compared to Paragon. This is a big picture view.

With Match Fairness, it is definitively true that a player with a homogeneous lower star/ranked deck feels that it is extremely unfair to be matched against a player with a wide difference in the the star/ranks in their deck. This is a small picture view.

One "solution" this season has been people recommending using just a complete 3-star deck. I have tried that, but still have encountered people sandbagging (using a mix of 5-stars and 2-stars). So sandbagging is still rampant across all star level.

What is happening for me this Season is that the increased prevalence of Sandbagging is ruining the Match Fairness. Despite the rewards being good, my enjoyment of BG has completely disappeared. The only solution is to either sandbag myself or not play.

That is clearly not an ideal situation, as the small picture has completely erased the big picture.

Shivacrux

Lost the count on how many posts that were made on bg matchmaking on fair matches

Furrymoosen

Chikel said:

Furrymoosen said:

Bugmat78 said:

IamGrO_ot said:

I see you have a 1.9 million account, which maybe means that even though you have 3 R4s, your deck might lack some depth.

The alternative is to run your 15 best R4s and R3s in combination with 2*s, which everyone is currently doing, and meet players who do the same. You might have a better chance that way.

You shouldn't encourage sandbagging.

OP , one option is to just use a weaker deck overall (not the same as sandbagging) and match up to decks at equal strength eg all 4* or all 5*.

Another is just wait until the bigger accounts have progressed to the gladiator track. It will mean possibly missing out in some of the 48 hour objectives, but will be less stressful matching when the big whales are higher up.

Agreed, no one should encourage sandbagging at all. “If you can’t beat them, join them” shouldn’t be a reasonable application here.
Downside to a low deck, you’re unfortunately more likely to meet sandbaggers. I was running a 4/5 deck for a bit for kicks and giggles and after getting into high silver it was a sandbaggers 75% of the time.

OP, just keep pushing. It’ll clear up after awhile and the big accounts will start to thin out as they progress and move into the gladiators circuit. Gotta be able to play with the big accounts if you want to progress like the big accounts.

Your advice is good. But it's not supposed to be like that. People aren't supposed to wait a week or two to get fair matchups.

It's obvious something is broken

If you look back on some posts you’ll see that I’ve been consistently calling out Kabam for the terrible matchmaking. You’re correct, it’s not supposed to be like that. Kabam has totally screwed up the season up until this point for a lot of players and they don’t seem terribly interested in doing much about it in a timely manner. But that doesn’t make manipulating the game any better. There was a post a few days ago where I stated that it would be a matter of days until a ton of accounts not at the top tier would start sandbagging because they have no other option unless they want their life to be miserable in the game. And now here we are. I don’t blame anyone for doing it now if that’s your only option, but it’s not a solution to the problem, it’s just adding to it.

AverageDesi

If you have 3 R4 i don't think you have a reason to complain about

TheBair123

AverageDesi said:

If you have 3 R4 i don't think you have a reason to complain about

how easy do you think it is to win a match with 3 r4s against someone with 10-15?

altavista

AverageDesi said:

If you have 3 R4 i don't think you have a reason to complain about

Ok, R4 Iron Patriot, Groot, and Drax have no right to complain.

AverageDesi

TheBair123 said:

AverageDesi said:

If you have 3 R4 i don't think you have a reason to complain about

how easy do you think it is to win a match with 3 r4s against someone with 10-15?

It's hard sure. But not impossible and also if you're in the same brackets that's how matchmaking should be

Mackey

This forum is toxic man. The guy has a point, matchmaking is all over the place and is not fair. WE SHOULD NOT BE MATCHING ONLY EQUIVALENT ROSTERS/ACCOUNTS, PERIOD.

A fair matchmaking system will pair 2 players that are searching at the same and are in the same tier, that's it. Nothing more nothing less.

OP the only way you'll face accounts that are lower than yours is if you lower your deck (use only r5 5* and/or r2 6*). This shouldn't happen bur the sad reality is kabam have tailored matchmaking to deck prestige/strength of some form.

Jeancrb

Crazy to read this thread as someone who never used sandbagging technique. I didn’t know it was such a big thing, I still don’t think it’s a good technique as I’m winning almost all my games against sandbaggers whenever I meet one.

It’s true tho that since I have 3 r4 the matchmaking became more often unfair… I think having a really balanced roster of 6r3/6r2 is the key.

But since it seems that a lot of people are doing SB, it kinda makes me want to try it lol. If everyone jump from the bridge I’ll do too

ChiliDog

Matchmaking needs to be tier based only with an alternative way of going up to platinum (10 wins total or something for each tier). This helps keep people from also losing on purpose until the final 10 days, but maximizing wins, since points don't go up for wins in a track.

Otherwise, these same algorithm based posts are going to be hourly even years from now, whether it is the algorithm or how people are manipulating it.

Mackey

ChiliDog said:

Otherwise, these same algorithm based posts are going to be hourly even years from now, whether it is the algorithm or how people are manipulating it.

#facts

MiStaloOva

I win fist round second i See i loose all match. To many cheaters!!!!! Kabam

Standardman1989

I have a lot of defeat after the first week I often struggle I go up in vibranium between 15 and 18 days so I don't worry

TyEdge

You know what would fix a lot of this? Double the number of badges required to progress through the tiers. Award two for wins and remove one for a loss. In other words, the end result is that a loss sets you back half as much.

I suspect Kabam makes bank on victory shields so it’s a nonstarter but I think more people would be incentivized to play if it were easier to progress and/or they removed the “back to square one” feeling being so utterly common.

SidDDragon

I have a similar roster to u OP(with a handful of extra ranked champs) and i would say that it has been tough this season as compared to the last two and i have just managed to climb to g1.
But one thing i can from my experience is that matchmaking is not that bad for mid tier accounts like ours. I have mostly matched against 1.7-2.5 mil rating accounts which i dont consider extremely lopsided matches and i havent faced any sandbagger since crossing bronze.
But i disagree about 5/65 not being useful in bgs. Majority of my defence is 5/65 or r2 6* and they do get me defensive wins. Sure its getting harder but u gotta try and outplay the opponent

Moosetiptronic

@TyEdge and @ChiliDog both so right. Take away the loss of badge for a loss and much of the issue goes away

Maqsood

Imimagine facing such accounts in bronze and silver. Matchmaking needs serious work