Quicksilver too hard to use for anyone?

Justin2524

In between keeping watch on Whiplash and the Momentum..

And making sure Whiplash don’t fall off..

And watching for Terminal Velocity..

And the awkward 10 hit combo…

And not to mention trying to use whither…

I’m surprised anyone is able to use this guy?

And I’m no slouch.. I’m in a Plat 3/4 ally.. routinely clear Cav AQ and always finish in GC in BG..

willrun4adonut

His combo is too different for me so I don't use mine.

PapaMidnite007

I guess he has a learning curve he takes time to ramp up and unlike Cull Obsidian he has no persistent charges so after 1 fight you are back to square one again

Vendemiaire

Justin2524 said:

And I’m no slouch.. I’m in a Plat 3/4 ally.. routinely clear Cav AQ and always finish in GC in BG..

Plat 3/4 is easy to come by. Cav EQ is too easy. Finishing BG ain't a big feat too. Finish in Celestial at the end of the Season and we're talking.

I'm in a Quicksilver chatroom and if you can see how players are actually trying to learn and master him, you'll know where you're making a mistake. Tell me if you want in so you can try to learn and maybe accept that you actually lack the skills playing him for now.

Pin_the_AvengerPGT17

Vendemiaire said:

Justin2524 said:

And I’m no slouch.. I’m in a Plat 3/4 ally.. routinely clear Cav AQ and always finish in GC in BG..

Plat 3/4 is easy to come by. Cav EQ is too easy. Finishing BG ain't a big feat too. Finish in Celestial at the end of the Season and we're talking.

I'm in a Quicksilver chatroom and if you can see how players are actually trying to learn and master him, you'll know where you're making a mistake. Tell me if you want in so you can try to learn and maybe accept that you actually lack the skills playing him for now.

honestly wouldn't be a bad idea to join myself as I have a 5* at 5/65 that I barely use and I just pulled a 6* and am now wanting to bring to rank 3 or 4 eventually.

Vendemiaire

Pin_the_AvengerPGT17 said:

Vendemiaire said:

Justin2524 said:

And I’m no slouch.. I’m in a Plat 3/4 ally.. routinely clear Cav AQ and always finish in GC in BG..

Plat 3/4 is easy to come by. Cav EQ is too easy. Finishing BG ain't a big feat too. Finish in Celestial at the end of the Season and we're talking.

I'm in a Quicksilver chatroom and if you can see how players are actually trying to learn and master him, you'll know where you're making a mistake. Tell me if you want in so you can try to learn and maybe accept that you actually lack the skills playing him for now.

honestly wouldn't be a bad idea to join myself as I have a 5* at 5/65 that I barely use and I just pulled a 6* and am now wanting to bring to rank 3 or 4 eventually.

PM your Line user.

AMS94

I don't find him too hard, but he's just not fun for me
For someone who is supposed to be "fast", he takes too long to buildup
And his combo feels twice as long as other champs, not just in number of hits but also in terms of the time it takes to drop a full MLLLM combo
He is the Quicksilver but the fights feel very slow while playing him

He deserves the rankup bcoz of some really cool utility he brings to the table but I don't expect most people to be using him more than 3-4 times a month

He will have his shining moments but those moments will be sporadic

K00shMaan

Haven't gotten the higher rarities yet but after fiddling with the 4* star one thing that I could immediately tell was that I would never use him when he's not the perfect or very good option. I would never take him for general questing when I can use other champions. He's certainly not the only champ in the game that gives me that feeling but I won't try to deny his utility. Definitely worth having up.

Chatterofforums

At first QS felt a bit overwhelming and I didn't give mine much thought but after I dup him few days ago, I gave him a nother try.

Reading all his info is about as much fun as reading a dictionary so it wasn't sticking for me. I watched a couple vids and tried him out in few different areas of the game and got the hang of him fairly quickly after actually putting in some effort.

I like him so much now I took mine to r3 and he's in line for r4. When you use him right, to include heavies, spam dashing back and watch the wither, I find his rampup rather quick.

ESF

I would be the first to admit that the kit’s a little different, but all I can honestly say is that I “got” it pretty quickly and I think it’s one that if you practice, it gets much easier

I won’t sit here and lie and say I use it everywhere, but I definitely have used it in tougher content

Edit: Mine is 5-star 5/65

Justin2524

Vendemiaire said:

Justin2524 said:

And I’m no slouch.. I’m in a Plat 3/4 ally.. routinely clear Cav AQ and always finish in GC in BG..

Plat 3/4 is easy to come by. Cav EQ is too easy. Finishing BG ain't a big feat too. Finish in Celestial at the end of the Season and we're talking.

I'm in a Quicksilver chatroom and if you can see how players are actually trying to learn and master him, you'll know where you're making a mistake. Tell me if you want in so you can try to learn and maybe accept that you actually lack the skills playing him for now.

Is it a Line group chat? If so I’m in.

CyborgNinja135

It just takes a while to get used to him. The 13 hit combo is the biggest issue. Once you feel pretty comfortable with it, it should be easier to keep track of other things. My trick was learning his 3rd light animation (2 punches and a kick) so that I knew when to use a medium and refresh the whiplash.

When it comes to wither, it is easier to use when the opponent is aggressive like Spidey 2099. Applying wither will also refresh his whiplash since you need to dex to place it.

As for terminal velocity, if you weave in some heavies here and there, you should get there pretty fast. In most cases, you only need to use 1 sp1 while the double momentum gain is active. The best part about QS is that if you are short on momentum you can just dash back and get some.

He's not the easiest to use at first but if you practice enough I'm sure you'll be able to get the best out of him.

ESF

CyborgNinja135 said:

It just takes a while to get used to him. The 13 hit combo is the biggest issue. Once you feel pretty comfortable with it, it should be easier to keep track of other things. My trick was learning his 3rd light animation (2 punches and a kick) so that I knew when to use a medium and refresh the whiplash.

When it comes to wither, it is easier to use when the opponent is aggressive like Spidey 2099. Applying wither will also refresh his whiplash since you need to dex to place it.

As for terminal velocity, if you weave in some heavies here and there, you should get there pretty fast. In most cases, you only need to use 1 sp1 while the double momentum gain is active. The best part about QS is that if you are short on momentum you can just dash back and get some.

He's not the easiest to use at first but if you practice enough I'm sure you'll be able to get the best out of him.

I just gave the advice a few days ago to get used to short combos — M-L-M lets you build and control the Whiplash, as does Dexterity for Wither

When people complain about the 13-hit combo, I don’t say anything because people can play however they want, but if someone is using the full combo, you’re probably not doing as well as you could

altavista

OP: Not sure why you find watching his Momentum stressful. All you need to pay attention to is being at TV before throwing a special. Unless you are specifically watching for when you can parry non-contact attacks (which isn't really QS' playstyle), you're pretty much just waiting for the TV to activate since you'll hit 300 pretty quickly.

To the other QS users: Is there a reason to stack a ton of Whiplashes aside from wanting to finish the fight in fewer cycles?

To me it seems like you can either focus on the stress of maintaining stacks of Whiplashes to be able to finish the fight in one SP2-SP1 cycle, or you play more relaxed and finish the fight in two SP2-SP1 cycles.

CyborgNinja135

AMS94 said:

I don't find him too hard, but he's just not fun for me
For someone who is supposed to be "fast", he takes too long to buildup
And his combo feels twice as long as other champs, not just in number of hits but also in terms of the time it takes to drop a full MLLLM combo
He is the Quicksilver but the fights feel very slow while playing him

He deserves the rankup bcoz of some really cool utility he brings to the table but I don't expect most people to be using him more than 3-4 times a month

He will have his shining moments but those moments will be sporadic

I know a lot of people feel like he takes too long to build up, but in most of the content in the game all it takes is sp1, sp2. That's enough for him to finish AW bosses, more than enough for BGs and EQ/SQ. A R3 can deal almost a million whiplash damage if you go for the sp3 so that only comes in handy when you are fighting a big boss.

I bring my QS everywhere but I was lucky to get him back when his crystals were released so I've been able to practice with him a lot. Once people put in a few hours and get comfortable with his combo and his pace, I'm sure they'll start using him a lot more. The main issue with him is getting over his animations

Renaxqq

I was happy when I pulled him but after testing him out I realised he's unplayable lol.

GrassKnuckles

Well i hate fighting him, i can say that much. His animations are super frustrating

Chatterofforums

Renaxqq said:

I was happy when I pulled him but after testing him out I realised he's unplayable lol.

Maybe "unplayable" for you but absolutely not "unplayable" for everyone.

Bugmat78

Imagine, quicksilver neding a buff because his animations are too real/fast for players lol

Riptide

I absolutely love my R4. Once I got used to the combo, he has a really versatile playstyle imo

CyborgNinja135

altavista said:

OP: Not sure why you find watching his Momentum stressful. All you need to pay attention to is being at TV before throwing a special. Unless you are specifically watching for when you can parry non-contact attacks (which isn't really QS' playstyle), you're pretty much just waiting for the TV to activate since you'll hit 300 pretty quickly.

To the other QS users: Is there a reason to stack a ton of Whiplashes aside from wanting to finish the fight in fewer cycles?

To me it seems like you can either focus on the stress of maintaining stacks of Whiplashes to be able to finish the fight in one SP2-SP1 cycle, or you play more relaxed and finish the fight in two SP2-SP1 cycles.

I don't think there is a reason, but it's just more efficient. More time spent on a fight means higher chance of making mistakes. Besides it is really satisfying to see the enemy drop dead after the big burst of whiplash

CyborgNinja135

ESF said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

It just takes a while to get used to him. The 13 hit combo is the biggest issue. Once you feel pretty comfortable with it, it should be easier to keep track of other things. My trick was learning his 3rd light animation (2 punches and a kick) so that I knew when to use a medium and refresh the whiplash.

When it comes to wither, it is easier to use when the opponent is aggressive like Spidey 2099. Applying wither will also refresh his whiplash since you need to dex to place it.

As for terminal velocity, if you weave in some heavies here and there, you should get there pretty fast. In most cases, you only need to use 1 sp1 while the double momentum gain is active. The best part about QS is that if you are short on momentum you can just dash back and get some.

He's not the easiest to use at first but if you practice enough I'm sure you'll be able to get the best out of him.

I just gave the advice a few days ago to get used to short combos — M-L-M lets you build and control the Whiplash, as does Dexterity for Wither

When people complain about the 13-hit combo, I don’t say anything because people can play however they want, but if someone is using the full combo, you’re probably not doing as well as you could

At this point I'm so used to the full combo it feels weird not to use it, and it really helps to build up whiplash really fast. He just takes some time to learn

PapaMidnite007

Bugmat78 said:

Imagine, quicksilver neding a buff because his animations are too real/fast for players lol

He's already ridiculously powerful

Deacon

it definitely takes some getting used to ... the one thing i still time wrong is the throwing of the SP2 .. heck even the Sp1 sometimes .. .I just do it now after a L .. i cant seem to do it after a Medium attack .. the defender always is back in block when I try.

Justin2524

Anyone else find it really hard to do a medium with him in a combo?

Any advice on finishing a combo comfortably?

I find myself doing a MLLLL combo… what’s the easiest sequence to do?

Justin2524

CyborgNinja135 said:

It just takes a while to get used to him. The 13 hit combo is the biggest issue. Once you feel pretty comfortable with it, it should be easier to keep track of other things. My trick was learning his 3rd light animation (2 punches and a kick) so that I knew when to use a medium and refresh the whiplash.

When it comes to wither, it is easier to use when the opponent is aggressive like Spidey 2099. Applying wither will also refresh his whiplash since you need to dex to place it.

As for terminal velocity, if you weave in some heavies here and there, you should get there pretty fast. In most cases, you only need to use 1 sp1 while the double momentum gain is active. The best part about QS is that if you are short on momentum you can just dash back and get some.

He's not the easiest to use at first but if you practice enough I'm sure you'll be able to get the best out of him.

So what combo sequence do you normally do?

CyborgNinja135

Justin2524 said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

It just takes a while to get used to him. The 13 hit combo is the biggest issue. Once you feel pretty comfortable with it, it should be easier to keep track of other things. My trick was learning his 3rd light animation (2 punches and a kick) so that I knew when to use a medium and refresh the whiplash.

When it comes to wither, it is easier to use when the opponent is aggressive like Spidey 2099. Applying wither will also refresh his whiplash since you need to dex to place it.

As for terminal velocity, if you weave in some heavies here and there, you should get there pretty fast. In most cases, you only need to use 1 sp1 while the double momentum gain is active. The best part about QS is that if you are short on momentum you can just dash back and get some.

He's not the easiest to use at first but if you practice enough I'm sure you'll be able to get the best out of him.

So what combo sequence do you normally do?

M-L-L-L-M. If I want to detonate the whiplash early I use M-L-M.

If you go for the sp3 rotation, once the stun is placed after the sp3: M-L-L-L-L, then L-L-L-M-M to maximize whiplash

Oakenshield

Question for you @CyborgNinja135 . I just managed to pull QS as a 6* this past weekend and am going to be investing the time to become proficient with him in the coming weeks.

How important is his sig ability? I know he has great prestige, but I don’t care about that given the game modes I care about.

Thanks

GOTG

Yeah tried a bit with my 4* and dont know how to connect to specials lol hes just so differrent.

altavista

GOTG said:

Yeah tried a bit with my 4* and dont know how to connect to specials lol hes just so differrent.

After playing with him for a little bit, I began to just internally track the input needed instead of looking at the 13 hit counter. Instead of doing a "5-hit combo" of tap-tap-tap-tap-tap, I instead just think about tap-pause-tap-pause-tap-pause-tap-pause-tap.

I haven't noticed his special being difficult to land after a combo. I think that there needs to be a pause after your 5th tap, and then you hit the special button.

What was strange when I was using him yesterday was that he was lagging a lot more for me. Luckily his evade saved me from getting hit from dropped inputs due to lag, but hopefully it is not a sign that his animations are suddenly not working as well on my phone.

CyborgNinja135

Oakenshield said:

Question for you @CyborgNinja135 . I just managed to pull QS as a 6* this past weekend and am going to be investing the time to become proficient with him in the coming weeks.

How important is his sig ability? I know he has great prestige, but I don’t care about that given the game modes I care about.

Thanks

The most important part is that it increases the number of withers you can place. It allows him to reverse ability power gain, and although nice to have, a lot of science champions do it better and more reliably imo. It can be useful if you're fighting someone like the EOP Dragon Man from the last cycle, but 90% of the time if I need a science champ to power control I'm bringing in Reed or Spidey 2099.

More points in dexterity increase the potency of the wither so it can go up to 45% * 3 = 135% if you run 3/3 dex (105% if you only run 1/3).

I say try a few more times to get him awakened, otherwise it's not that important since he already has a decent amount of power control on his base kit.