Thoughts on Hood now that Kabam responded to his looping invisibility "bug" fix.

Chronic

My head is still spinning a little a bit but being someone that literally just r4'd my 6* Hood in November and used a combination of mystic and generic sig stones to get him to max sig after getting used to his invisibility looping, I'm left a little speechless. The response that was just left in another thread about him being "fixed" after never alerting of the bug to begin with and multiple videos out there showcasing his looping invisibility ability....I just don't know what to say. I'm not even going to ask for rank down tickets because why? Even if I ranked him down, I wouldn't get the 160 6* sig stones I dumped into him (which still aren't that easy to come by). I'm not super happy I used a ton of the ones I got from the cyber weekend deals just to have this happen a couple weeks later. Sorry, I know this isn't a constructive feedback post and is more of a complaining/whining post but I do literally feel like I just got the rug pulled out from under me on this one and I can't be the only one out there. I don't have a whale account and r4's are still very hard to come by and decisions to rank them up aren't made on a whim. Maybe I'm just overreacting but I would be curious to know what others think.

AverageDesi

Get over it. It was a bug and they fixed it

Chronic

I'm trying to and I appreciate your take. I'm sure there are others that feel the same as you as well. I just don't see it mentioned in the bug fixes for the release it was "fixed" in nor have I been able to find any mention of it being a bug prior to them fixing it except in their recent response. I don't just rank up champs without doing my research. I didn't touch Galan before they confirmed they weren't making any adjustments and I didn't see any mention of hood anywhere before ranking him up. He's still highly useful but a big part of the decision for taking him to r4 and dumping sig stones rather than leaving him at r3 was the infinite invisibility potential. I can't be the only one that made a similar decision that is impacted from this. It's not like I can ask Kabam if they plan on making any changes to a champ every time I want to rank someone up and they shouldn't be able to "fix" a champ without warning when it changes the champ's overall effectiveness.

Demonzfyre

Chronic said:

I'm trying to and I appreciate your take. I'm sure there are others that feel the same as you as well. I just don't see it mentioned in the bug fixes for the release it was "fixed" in nor have I been able to find any mention of it being a bug prior to them fixing it except in their recent response. I don't just rank up champs without doing my research. I didn't touch Galan before they confirmed they weren't making any adjustments and I didn't see any mention of hood anywhere before ranking him up. He's still highly useful but a big part of the decision for taking him to r4 and dumping sig stones rather than leaving him at r3 was the infinite invisibility potential. I can't be the only one that made a similar decision that is impacted from this. It's not like I can ask Kabam if they plan on making any changes to a champ every time I want to rank someone up and they shouldn't be able to "fix" a champ without warning when it changes the champ's overall effectiveness.

But.... He's not supposed to be invisible 100% of the time. Why would that ever be a thing?

ItsClobberinTime

Demonzfyre said:

Chronic said:

I'm trying to and I appreciate your take. I'm sure there are others that feel the same as you as well. I just don't see it mentioned in the bug fixes for the release it was "fixed" in nor have I been able to find any mention of it being a bug prior to them fixing it except in their recent response. I don't just rank up champs without doing my research. I didn't touch Galan before they confirmed they weren't making any adjustments and I didn't see any mention of hood anywhere before ranking him up. He's still highly useful but a big part of the decision for taking him to r4 and dumping sig stones rather than leaving him at r3 was the infinite invisibility potential. I can't be the only one that made a similar decision that is impacted from this. It's not like I can ask Kabam if they plan on making any changes to a champ every time I want to rank someone up and they shouldn't be able to "fix" a champ without warning when it changes the champ's overall effectiveness.

But.... He's not supposed to be invisible 100% of the time. Why would that ever be a thing?

Nobody ever said he wasn't supposed to be able to do that, that's the issue. Do you not see how them not letting people know that it's unintended (when there's loads of videos about it out there) and just removing it without giving the community a heads up could potentially screw them over? The amount of white knighting you do on the forums is truly baffling buddy, you'll do anything to defend Kabam at this point lol.

KDoggg2017

https://youtu.be/GpmJy2JEm44

Fun fact: **or maybe just word on da street**
The Infinity Invisibility Loop is still available. Just requires a different rotation.

This short YouTube video is worth the watch. 👍

Demonzfyre

ItsClobberinTime said:

Demonzfyre said:

Chronic said:

I'm trying to and I appreciate your take. I'm sure there are others that feel the same as you as well. I just don't see it mentioned in the bug fixes for the release it was "fixed" in nor have I been able to find any mention of it being a bug prior to them fixing it except in their recent response. I don't just rank up champs without doing my research. I didn't touch Galan before they confirmed they weren't making any adjustments and I didn't see any mention of hood anywhere before ranking him up. He's still highly useful but a big part of the decision for taking him to r4 and dumping sig stones rather than leaving him at r3 was the infinite invisibility potential. I can't be the only one that made a similar decision that is impacted from this. It's not like I can ask Kabam if they plan on making any changes to a champ every time I want to rank someone up and they shouldn't be able to "fix" a champ without warning when it changes the champ's overall effectiveness.

But.... He's not supposed to be invisible 100% of the time. Why would that ever be a thing?

Nobody ever said he wasn't supposed to be able to do that, that's the issue. Do you not see how them not letting people know that it's unintended (when there's loads of videos about it out there) and just removing it without giving the community a heads up could potentially screw them over? The amount of white knighting you do on the forums is truly baffling buddy, you'll do anything to defend Kabam at this point lol.

Ok. So show me in his abilities where infinite invisibility is part of his kit. You won't be able to find it because it's not there. So when something is happening that isn't in a champs abilities, it's not intended. That's how bugs work.

Problem with people like you is you want to leave the "pro player" bugs and get rid of the other bugs. All bugs are the same.

Again, why would they make a champ that can be invisible forever during a match?

Chronic

Please show me in any champs abilities where it tells you the sequence in how to execute moves to maximize their effectiveness. Doom cycle? Not in there. Cosmic Ghost rider rotation? Nope, not in there either. This isn't an ability, it's a rotation that maximizes his abilities. It's even in his champion deep dive that it's meant to have consistent uptime. It's through trial and error or watching vids of others that these become known and become it's own meta. Back when she-hulk used to be able chain into heavies, at least Kabam said it was unintended up front before removing it. This silent "fix" is BS when it's been in the game for so long and people make rank-up decisions based on it.

KnightNvrEnding

A “bug” that they ignored for like a year and a half that they fixed right when his bg popularity was on the rise AND his arguably biggest AW season to date was right around the corner. Sorry I don’t believe in coincidences like that lol they knew what they were doing with that lol

Searmenis

All I know is that the description said clearly, the moderator s notes actually, that this "infinite invisibility" was intended in the first place, but now that they broke it by fixing the dashing back bug, it is not and never was. Who's lying, Kabam, or Kabam?

Demonzfyre

Searmenis said:

All I know is that the description said clearly, the moderator s notes actually, that this "infinite invisibility" was intended in the first place, but now that they broke it by fixing the dashing back bug, it is not and never was. Who's lying, Kabam, or Kabam?

No, that's not what the dev notes said.

Demonzfyre

Chronic said:

Please show me in any champs abilities where it tells you the sequence in how to execute moves to maximize their effectiveness. Doom cycle? Not in there. Cosmic Ghost rider rotation? Nope, not in there either. This isn't an ability, it's a rotation that maximizes his abilities. It's even in his champion deep dive that it's meant to have consistent uptime. It's through trial and error or watching vids of others that these become known and become it's own meta. Back when she-hulk used to be able chain into heavies, at least Kabam said it was unintended up front before removing it. This silent "fix" is BS when it's been in the game for so long and people make rank-up decisions based on it.

That's not even close to comparison lol. Everything in the Doom Rotation is part of everything he can do. There's nothing in either Doom or CGR that they are doing that is outside of their abilities.

Hood was not intended to be invisible the entire fight. The Dev notes say to "consistently" keep invisibility buff up. Consistently isn't the same as infinite.

Searmenis

Demonzfyre said:

Chronic said:

Please show me in any champs abilities where it tells you the sequence in how to execute moves to maximize their effectiveness. Doom cycle? Not in there. Cosmic Ghost rider rotation? Nope, not in there either. This isn't an ability, it's a rotation that maximizes his abilities. It's even in his champion deep dive that it's meant to have consistent uptime. It's through trial and error or watching vids of others that these become known and become it's own meta. Back when she-hulk used to be able chain into heavies, at least Kabam said it was unintended up front before removing it. This silent "fix" is BS when it's been in the game for so long and people make rank-up decisions based on it.

That's not even close to comparison lol. Everything in the Doom Rotation is part of everything he can do. There's nothing in either Doom or CGR that they are doing that is outside of their abilities.

Hood was not intended to be invisible the entire fight. The Dev notes say to "consistently" keep invisibility buff up. Consistently isn't the same as infinite.

"infinite" was a given name by the players, you can't have infinite anyways, with the exception of extreme circumstances. But that wasn't the point. (The point that I m pretty sure you already got, but won't admit to it, because, well, reasons.)

Demonzfyre

Chronic said:

Please show me in any champs abilities where it tells you the sequence in how to execute moves to maximize their effectiveness. Doom cycle? Not in there. Cosmic Ghost rider rotation? Nope, not in there either. This isn't an ability, it's a rotation that maximizes his abilities. It's even in his champion deep dive that it's meant to have consistent uptime. It's through trial and error or watching vids of others that these become known and become it's own meta. Back when she-hulk used to be able chain into heavies, at least Kabam said it was unintended up front before removing it. This silent "fix" is BS when it's been in the game for so long and people make rank-up decisions based on it.

Consistent doesn't mean infinite. If it said Constant, then you'd have a different argument.

phillgreen

Can someone please link to the Kabam post for this issue.

AmaadAkira

Demonzfyre said:

Chronic said:

Please show me in any champs abilities where it tells you the sequence in how to execute moves to maximize their effectiveness. Doom cycle? Not in there. Cosmic Ghost rider rotation? Nope, not in there either. This isn't an ability, it's a rotation that maximizes his abilities. It's even in his champion deep dive that it's meant to have consistent uptime. It's through trial and error or watching vids of others that these become known and become it's own meta. Back when she-hulk used to be able chain into heavies, at least Kabam said it was unintended up front before removing it. This silent "fix" is BS when it's been in the game for so long and people make rank-up decisions based on it.

Consistent doesn't mean infinite. If it said Constant, then you'd have a different argument.

It was never 'infinite'. You could mess it up easily and it was sometimes risky because you could get hit while you're blocking to reactivate invisibility (if you mess it up even once, the whole cycle falls apart and you need to restart it). Ontop of that, it still isn't infinite as only the first 2 hits are guaranteed to miss. 2 hits. Kitty Pryde can have a way more consistent and reliable uptime on her phasing, and even HERS aren't considered 'infinite'.

So the word 'consistent' matches its description perfectly.

AverageDesi

I wonder when they will fix the part where fate seal is refreshed by mediums. Or is that in the kit

ItsClobberinTime

Demonzfyre said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Demonzfyre said:

Chronic said:

I'm trying to and I appreciate your take. I'm sure there are others that feel the same as you as well. I just don't see it mentioned in the bug fixes for the release it was "fixed" in nor have I been able to find any mention of it being a bug prior to them fixing it except in their recent response. I don't just rank up champs without doing my research. I didn't touch Galan before they confirmed they weren't making any adjustments and I didn't see any mention of hood anywhere before ranking him up. He's still highly useful but a big part of the decision for taking him to r4 and dumping sig stones rather than leaving him at r3 was the infinite invisibility potential. I can't be the only one that made a similar decision that is impacted from this. It's not like I can ask Kabam if they plan on making any changes to a champ every time I want to rank someone up and they shouldn't be able to "fix" a champ without warning when it changes the champ's overall effectiveness.

But.... He's not supposed to be invisible 100% of the time. Why would that ever be a thing?

Nobody ever said he wasn't supposed to be able to do that, that's the issue. Do you not see how them not letting people know that it's unintended (when there's loads of videos about it out there) and just removing it without giving the community a heads up could potentially screw them over? The amount of white knighting you do on the forums is truly baffling buddy, you'll do anything to defend Kabam at this point lol.

Ok. So show me in his abilities where infinite invisibility is part of his kit. You won't be able to find it because it's not there. So when something is happening that isn't in a champs abilities, it's not intended. That's how bugs work.

Problem with people like you is you want to leave the "pro player" bugs and get rid of the other bugs. All bugs are the same.

Again, why would they make a champ that can be invisible forever during a match?

It doesn't say infinite invisibility however it does say dash back and hold block to activate and activate on SP2, period. Where does it say you can't tigger one after another?

The only problem here is you like to eat whatever you get served for whatever reason. You're always white knighting for Kabam on the forums, so much so your username has become a meme (quite literally).

Because only the first two hits are guaranteed to miss? That's not broken in the slightest.

Demonzfyre

ItsClobberinTime said:

Demonzfyre said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Demonzfyre said:

Chronic said:

I'm trying to and I appreciate your take. I'm sure there are others that feel the same as you as well. I just don't see it mentioned in the bug fixes for the release it was "fixed" in nor have I been able to find any mention of it being a bug prior to them fixing it except in their recent response. I don't just rank up champs without doing my research. I didn't touch Galan before they confirmed they weren't making any adjustments and I didn't see any mention of hood anywhere before ranking him up. He's still highly useful but a big part of the decision for taking him to r4 and dumping sig stones rather than leaving him at r3 was the infinite invisibility potential. I can't be the only one that made a similar decision that is impacted from this. It's not like I can ask Kabam if they plan on making any changes to a champ every time I want to rank someone up and they shouldn't be able to "fix" a champ without warning when it changes the champ's overall effectiveness.

But.... He's not supposed to be invisible 100% of the time. Why would that ever be a thing?

Nobody ever said he wasn't supposed to be able to do that, that's the issue. Do you not see how them not letting people know that it's unintended (when there's loads of videos about it out there) and just removing it without giving the community a heads up could potentially screw them over? The amount of white knighting you do on the forums is truly baffling buddy, you'll do anything to defend Kabam at this point lol.

Ok. So show me in his abilities where infinite invisibility is part of his kit. You won't be able to find it because it's not there. So when something is happening that isn't in a champs abilities, it's not intended. That's how bugs work.

Problem with people like you is you want to leave the "pro player" bugs and get rid of the other bugs. All bugs are the same.

Again, why would they make a champ that can be invisible forever during a match?

It doesn't say infinite invisibility however it does say dash back and hold block to activate and activate on SP2, period. Where does it say you can't tigger one after another?

The only problem here is you like to eat whatever you get served for whatever reason. You're always white knighting for Kabam on the forums, so much so your username has become a meme (quite literally).

Because only the first two hits are guaranteed to miss? That's not broken in the slightest.

Mmmk cupcake.

ChiliDog

I think any bugs like this should be on the public list immediately when found. This is just another bad look, bug or not. It raises the question of...what/who else is next? It raises questions of honesty. It really isn't that hard to type it into a spreadsheet of known champion bugs.

I'm sorry, but personally I am disappointed again in Kabam on how these things are communicated (or not) and I don't even use him that much and definitely was not looping him like others for full uptime.

I have to question, why do these things keep happening? It's so simple to publish known champion bugs even if it isn't simple to fix them in a timely fashion. Do better Kabam, please.

Chronic

I don’t see how you see these so differently. Until Kabam came out two days ago and said it was a bug everyone was fine with interpreting exactly the way they were which isn’t any different than doom or CGR when it comes to rotations and Kabam didn’t say peep about it. It takes skill to pull off and it’s not like you dash back hold block and bang you have infinite invisibility.
The fact that it’s only the first two hits that are guaranteed misses and there are still obvious counters makes it hardly infinite. In reality it’s more like more time invisible than not. Kitty pride and ghost have way more reliable miss mechanics than hood ever did and are much more simple to play full uptime phasing with. According to your logic of not intending a champ to have “infinite” miss mechanics there is no way that could ever be intended regardless of what the champs abilities say.

Back to the real issue here and I’d like to hear why you think this is ok. Silently fixing a “bug” that was never listed as a bug that decreases a champs effectiveness after a year and a half of existence and plenty of videos showcasing it. That’s perfectly acceptable?

Searmenis

Chronic said:

I don’t see how you see these so differently. Until Kabam came out two days ago and said it was a bug everyone was fine with interpreting exactly the way they were which isn’t any different than doom or CGR when it comes to rotations and Kabam didn’t say peep about it. It takes skill to pull off and it’s not like you dash back hold block and bang you have infinite invisibility.
The fact that it’s only the first two hits that are guaranteed misses and there are still obvious counters makes it hardly infinite. In reality it’s more like more time invisible than not. Kitty pride and ghost have way more reliable miss mechanics than hood ever did and are much more simple to play full uptime phasing with. According to your logic of not intending a champ to have “infinite” miss mechanics there is no way that could ever be intended regardless of what the champs abilities say.

Back to the real issue here and I’d like to hear why you think this is ok. Silently fixing a “bug” that was never listed as a bug that decreases a champs effectiveness after a year and a half of existence and plenty of videos showcasing it. That’s perfectly acceptable?

And I will add, how inconvenient that they waited to "fix" this "bug" at the same time they fixed the dash back one.

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0casual0

This is a nerf disguised as a fix. That's a fact. How come an actual bug is not being fixed while "Hood's bug" that's never being mentioned is fixed? Great logic by kabam.

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World Eater

I don't appreciate the closing of threads when there's still a discussion to be had.

Sux to see It'sClobberinTIme banned now

CoatHang3r

I think people are lying to themselves and each other if they believe The Hood’s ability page allowed for anything other than his special 2 to replace an invisibility buff when it’s supposed to have a cooldown after it ends.

Basically you’re saying Falcon and Captain America Falcon have been bugged forever because they didn’t have infinite Recon Scan (same description along with dash and hold mechanics); and an huge amount of other champions with cooldowns after an ability ends.

People try to hang their arguments on the use of the word “consistent”, that’s purely semantics. The game team consistently uses consistent to describe champions abilities; see what I did there? It doesn’t mean they always use the word consistent but often do.

KnightNvrEnding

These forum bans remind me of sports…lol the antagonizer never gets in trouble but others are banned for responding😂

KnightNvrEnding

Would be cool if we could try keeping things a bit more civil/open minded tho lol would rather not see people getting baited into a fight either lol

Like I don’t really agree with Kabam in terms of how they chose to word it bc I feel it’s pretty misleading, I’m over feeling some type of way about it tho. At this point for me it’s about the communication since this all started up.

MorningstarIsBae

Ill gladly take rank down tickets so i can rank down my 5* and rank the 6*