Nick Fury Scoring in BG

NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
in General Discussion
We’ve all seen the NF score cheese. You die right before you finish the fight. NF is NF. Health goes to full.

Is this an intended scoring mechanic in BGs? I’ve seen it used at high levels and it feels wrong when they get a win like this. Or even when I get a win this way. Which admittedly I did when the game mode was new and I hadn’t really considered how it effected the mode overall.

Some clarification from staff on this would help.
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  • Ayden_noah1Ayden_noah1 Member Posts: 1,892 ★★★★
    ItsDamien said:

    Why would it not be intended? The score is based on remaining health. When he goes into second life he gains all that health back. It’s no different to champs with regen getting health back during the fight to stay as close to 100% as possible.

    Or Quake dealing damage without touching the defender and Kitty taking no damage while phasing, instead applying damage to the defender trying to hit her. Should all of the champs be more like OG Cap and have nothing but basic damage. I'm not sure what OP is trying to say here. Why target just Nick.
  • Ayden_noah1Ayden_noah1 Member Posts: 1,892 ★★★★
    Why we are added, all that can autoblock and evade should be banned too, since they have an advantage. Also ban Herc since he can be a pain while immortal.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Zan0 said:

    So all characters that can regen should not be allowed lmao?

    Only those that can regen super fast
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    I’m just asking particularly whether THIS scoring interaction is intended. In BGs alone. It’s a pretty unique case. It’s not a normal regen. Technically, what happens is the LMD is destroyed and the real Nick Fury is exposed. So you haven’t actually damaged the real Nick Fury until then. So I think they will say it’s fine. And it’ll stay this way. I just made this post in hopes to get an official word on it And to quit wondering if it will get changed.

  • Ayden_noah1Ayden_noah1 Member Posts: 1,892 ★★★★
    I'm going to go on record and say it's not going to get change. That's part of his kit so I can't see them changing it at all.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    Zan0 said:

    So all characters that can regen should not be allowed lmao?

    Only those that can regen super fast
    NastyPhish said:

    I’m just asking particularly whether THIS scoring interaction is intended. In BGs alone. It’s a pretty unique case. It’s not a normal regen. Technically, what happens is the LMD is destroyed and the real Nick Fury is exposed. So you haven’t actually damaged the real Nick Fury until then. So I think they will say it’s fine. And it’ll stay this way. I just made this post in hopes to get an official word on it And to quit wondering if it will get changed.

    Bro, you do know that all the "real nick fury" talk is just flavour text right? The game doesn't care if you gain health through advanced cybernetics or by eating your grandma's cookies. Regen is regen . And points are based on that

    In fact the masochism meta was exactly that. You could do a lot of dmaage but a single parry before the fight ends could reset your progress to zero
    It’s not flavor text at all. In fact, almost nothing outside of champs bios contains any flavor text in this game.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    Yeah, that’s not flavor text. It’s literally describing the next ability and how it functions.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★


    Which part of this is flavor text?

    Secondarily, how many champs did you have to go through to find even one line you could argue wasn’t functional text? Rofl.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    NastyPhish said:

    Yeah, that’s not flavor text. It’s literally describing the next ability and how it functions.

    It's flavour text because you could remove it and it would make zero difference to how the champ functions.

    " Spider Nonsense starts at .....bar of power they have "

    And " spider hamd cartoonish .... Bar of power they have "
    both accomplish the exact same result in game.

    You can remove the cartoon nature part and you'd find that spam behaves the exact same. That is what is meant by flavour text.

    Yondu for one used to have " exchanges armour buffs for units" or soemthing in his kit. But no one so far has ever gotten that ability to work. Because it isn't an ability it is flavour text.

    " Professor X' s control over minds make him immune to reverse control " and ""professor x is immune to reverse control " both achive the same effect but the former has flavour text.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    NastyPhish said:



    Which part of this is flavor text?

    Secondarily, how many champs did you have to go through to find even one line you could argue wasn’t functional text? Rofl.

    "His LMD is destroyed.... Returns to fight" this part is flavour
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    Those words describe what happens when you take him to his second life. Like literally. I really can’t understand how any of that is flavor text. Once you kill his LMD, the real NF is exposed. And he starts degening. “His LMD is destroyed” describes him being able to be killed without dying, and “returns to fight” describes how he will heal back up. You have to understand they were trying to describe something that was a new mechanic in the game. And since the game kills a champ that falls to 0 health, he can’t fully go to zero and come back. Which is why it functions the way it does. But….

    If you want flavor text. Go look at Titania. She has actual flavor text.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    Greekhit said:

    NastyPhish said:

    I’m just asking particularly whether THIS scoring interaction is intended. In BGs alone. It’s a pretty unique case. It’s not a normal regen. Technically, what happens is the LMD is destroyed and the real Nick Fury is exposed. So you haven’t actually damaged the real Nick Fury until then. So I think they will say it’s fine. And it’ll stay this way. I just made this post in hopes to get an official word on it And to quit wondering if it will get changed.

    Quit wondering that it will get changed, because it won’t.
    There is absolutely zero reason to change how NF works.
    Are you covered now? 🙂
    Depends, how long have you worked on MCOC?
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    This isn’t Reddit, your down-thumbs mean nothing. And I honestly don’t care.

    I’m wondering if this scoring is INTENDED
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    Maratox said:

    It is 100% intended. Take the L and move on boss

    Yeah I’m just waiting for someone that actually works here, to run it by someone that works on the dev team, to get an official word. And we can move on.

    Thanks for your comment though.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    edited March 2023
    NastyPhish said:

    Those words describe what happens when you take him to his second life. Like literally. I really can’t understand how any of that is flavor text. Once you kill his LMD, the real NF is exposed. And he starts degening. “His LMD is destroyed” describes him being able to be killed without dying, and “returns to fight” describes how he will heal back up. You have to understand they were trying to describe something that was a new mechanic in the game. And since the game kills a champ that falls to 0 health, he can’t fully go to zero and come back. Which is why it functions the way it does. But….

    If you want flavor text. Go look at Titania. She has actual flavor text.

    Riddle me this mister nasty phish , how in the world does real nick fury coming back get stopped by Peni doing absolutely nothing? She doesn't even hit him. Why does the "real nick fury" go back the moment he came ?



    Is this what you imagine is happening inside the game engine?
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    I kinda explained this is one of my previous posts. But The game itself is actually the reason it functions this way. If he did exactly what he says in his sig. his health would just snap to full, without getting a heal, But this game being what it is, has limitations. His health should essentially “roll over” to his next life, going passed zero and into the next life. But that would make him actually go to 0 HP. Which is how the game decides a champ is dead (like herc with 1 HP in immortality) The heal is a way to achieve the same effect while working around the limitations of the game engine. If they DIDNT have to do it this way. Peni wouldn’t counter him. And if they ever change how he gets his more health, to be the “snap to full” situation, NOT based on a heal, then peni will actually stop countering him. Because she states whenever the opponent would gain more than x% they are passively heal-blocked.

    Hope that explains it.
  • Ayden_noah1Ayden_noah1 Member Posts: 1,892 ★★★★
    Maratox said:

    NastyPhish said:

    Maratox said:

    It is 100% intended. Take the L and move on boss

    Yeah I’m just waiting for someone that actually works here, to run it by someone that works on the dev team, to get an official word. And we can move on.

    Thanks for your comment though.
    Kabam isn’t gonna waste their time confirming something everyone already knows just because you don’t like the interaction
    I totally agree that Kabam will comment on an interaction that is working 100% as intended, but good luck on waiting till the cows comes home.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    Maratox said:

    NastyPhish said:

    Maratox said:

    It is 100% intended. Take the L and move on boss

    Yeah I’m just waiting for someone that actually works here, to run it by someone that works on the dev team, to get an official word. And we can move on.

    Thanks for your comment though.
    Kabam isn’t gonna waste their time confirming something everyone already knows just because you don’t like the interaction
    That’s fine, doesn’t hurt to ask though. Seems kinda cheap to me is all.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    Maratox said:

    NastyPhish said:

    I kinda explained this is one of my previous posts. But The game itself is actually the reason it functions this way. If he did exactly what he says in his sig. his health would just snap to full, without getting a heal, But this game being what it is, has limitations. His health should essentially “roll over” to his next life, going passed zero and into the next life. But that would make him actually go to 0 HP. Which is how the game decides a champ is dead (like herc with 1 HP in immortality) The heal is a way to achieve the same effect while working around the limitations of the game engine. If they DIDNT have to do it this way. Peni wouldn’t counter him. And if they ever change how he gets his more health, to be the “snap to full” situation, NOT based on a heal, then peni will actually stop countering him. Because she states whenever the opponent would gain more than x% they are passively heal-blocked.

    Hope that explains it.


    I was replying to Average Desi’s question.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,920 Guardian
    NastyPhish said:


    Secondarily, how many champs did you have to go through to find even one line you could argue wasn’t functional text? Rofl.

    Literally the first champion I clicked on.
    Also here is a definition of flavor text for you. May you choose not to die on this hill you're on.

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