1% Drop Rate for 7 Star in Paragon Crystal?

Kopara7

Shouldn’t the paragon crystal drop rate be at 2.5-3% to match the other crystals?

Furrymoosen

That would be nice, but when Cav crystals first launched they were also 1% drops, so it fits with what has happened before. It’s a new crystal, so there can’t really be significant expectations for it.

BeastDad

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

ItsDamien

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

BeastDad

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

ItsDamien

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

BeastDad

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

ItsDamien

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

Let’s say you get a 6* every other crystal for an even 50% pull rate, for 5 bucks a crystal. You’ll need 55 dupes, not including max sig, to get 1 7*. So you’ll open 110 crystals at 5 bucks a piece, for the shards, so 550 bucks.

Conversely, I opened 10 paragon crystals and got a 7* Terrax, that I used earned units on for a total of 0 bucks. Plus a load of iso I can use to either upgrade champs or sell for gold if I’m desperate. I’ll take the paragon crystal as is over that.

ChiefGoat

I pulled 4 7* champs from those paragon crystal packs

Pikolu

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

DNA3000

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

Full context: you can only buy those for cash, and you can only buy one per day.

Paragon crystals are purchased for units, units can be earned in game play, which means Paragon crystals are available to free to play players while the Mythic Nexus crystals are not.

If these things had a 3% chance to drop 7* champs and no chance to drop 4* champs, these things would be ludicrous at only 200 units a piece.

The whole point of introducing 7* rarity in the first place was to reset the chase. Making Paragon crystals equal to or better than their Cavalier counterpart but just ratcheted upward in rarity defeats the purpose of introducing 7* champs. They are going to get easier to get over time, but there's no room for improvement if you start at the top. There has to be room for improved Paragon crystals and featured Paragon crystals and Nexus Paragon crystals. You can't compare Paragon crystals today to Cav crystals today.

Context matters, and the context of the introduction of the Paragon crystals is logical game economy design. High chances to drop 7* champs out of the gate is nonsensical. Getting rid of the lower rarities entirely right out of the gate is nonsensical. Comparing them to cash offer crystals is nonsensical. Those would all be, in the context of good game economy design, just plain wrong.

DNA3000

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Rule of thumb: a strong free to play arena grinder can get around 6k-7k units per month. Which means at the 1% drop rate a free to play player that actively grinds arena can expect to average about four 7* champs per year without spending if they directed all their units to Paragon crystals. That's in the same ballpark as the amount of 7* champs you'd ultimately generate from buying the daily Paragon deal, only instead of dedicating all those arena grind hours you'd be dedicating about $2300 USD.

BeastDad

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Time is not the issue, value is.

Omedenn

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

DNA3000

Omedenn said:

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

I don't know about "always" but I am currently unaware of any plans to change their price after some introductory period, if that is what you mean.

ItsDamien

BeastDad said:

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Time is not the issue, value is.

Paragon crystals value is 200 units which are available for free.

Mythic crystals are $5 which you have to earn with a job before you can buy.

I’m no economist but I can see which has the better value since time isn’t the issue.

Omedenn

DNA3000 said:

Omedenn said:

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

I don't know about "always" but I am currently unaware of any plans to change their price after some introductory period, if that is what you mean.

Yeah thanks. That was what I meant. Thought maybe it’s a ‘opening celebration’ price.

BeastDad

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Time is not the issue, value is.

Paragon crystals value is 200 units which are available for free.

Mythic crystals are $5 which you have to earn with a job before you can buy.

I’m no economist but I can see which has the better value since time isn’t the issue.

Would you feel the same if you spent $200 on paragon crystals and didn’t pull a 7*?

Just watched someone do it. Doesn’t take an economist to see the value on these is weak.

iDestroyerZ

DNA3000 said:

Omedenn said:

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

I don't know about "always" but I am currently unaware of any plans to change their price after some introductory period, if that is what you mean.

Out of the subject but since you have like some relationship with kabam i'd like to ask you something, do you know if in the next feature 6* it'll be shocker or sand-man? If you don't know/can't answer it's totally okay
I saw someone saying it'll be shocker but don't know if it's true

Pikolu

iDestroyerZ said:

DNA3000 said:

Omedenn said:

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

I don't know about "always" but I am currently unaware of any plans to change their price after some introductory period, if that is what you mean.

Out of the subject but since you have like some relationship with kabam i'd like to ask you something, do you know if in the next feature 6* it'll be shocker or sand-man? If you don't know/can't answer it's totally okay
I saw someone saying it'll be shocker but don't know if it's true

It is shocker because shocker was available first in prerelease bundles

iDestroyerZ

Pikolu said:

iDestroyerZ said:

DNA3000 said:

Omedenn said:

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

I don't know about "always" but I am currently unaware of any plans to change their price after some introductory period, if that is what you mean.

Out of the subject but since you have like some relationship with kabam i'd like to ask you something, do you know if in the next feature 6* it'll be shocker or sand-man? If you don't know/can't answer it's totally okay
I saw someone saying it'll be shocker but don't know if it's true

It is shocker because shocker was available first in prerelease bundles

Thank you

Squirrelguy

Omedenn said:

DNA3000 said:

Omedenn said:

Maybe stupid question, but the paragon crystals will always be 200 units per crystal?

I don't know about "always" but I am currently unaware of any plans to change their price after some introductory period, if that is what you mean.

Yeah thanks. That was what I meant. Thought maybe it’s a ‘opening celebration’ price.

If they run like the cav crystals, then in a year or so, the drop rates might improve a bit to make them worth more for their unit value. I doubt they have planned that and set it in stone though.

ItsDamien

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Time is not the issue, value is.

Paragon crystals value is 200 units which are available for free.

Mythic crystals are $5 which you have to earn with a job before you can buy.

I’m no economist but I can see which has the better value since time isn’t the issue.

Would you feel the same if you spent $200 on paragon crystals and didn’t pull a 7*?

Just watched someone do it. Doesn’t take an economist to see the value on these is weak.

$200 is still less than the 500+ you’d have to spend on Mythic Crystals. Basic math.

BeastDad

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Time is not the issue, value is.

Paragon crystals value is 200 units which are available for free.

Mythic crystals are $5 which you have to earn with a job before you can buy.

I’m no economist but I can see which has the better value since time isn’t the issue.

Would you feel the same if you spent $200 on paragon crystals and didn’t pull a 7*?

Just watched someone do it. Doesn’t take an economist to see the value on these is weak.

$200 is still less than the 500+ you’d have to spend on Mythic Crystals. Basic math.

Good luck with your lottery winnings.

Buttehrs

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Pikolu said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

ItsDamien said:

BeastDad said:

Yes, it absolutely should. Also, there should not be such a high chance of 4*'s. These are "Paragon" crystals, they should not contain so much junk.

Some people are never happy. People wanted 3*s out of crystals, well now they are. You also have almost double the chance at getting anything above a 5* than we’ve ever had before, and still costs less than a featured Cav.

We have daily paragon deals that have a 48% chance of landing a 6* and guarantee 5*'s for $5. Context matters.

And how many 7*s does that potentially get you? Context matters.

Likely more in 7* shards for cheaper in the long run vs. pulling one at a 1% clip. Context absolutely matters.

On top of that, more 6* shards and no chance of pulling worthless 4*'s.

You need 55 6* dupes to get enough shards to get 1 7* champion. Following the 48% drop chance exactly, you'll need to open 115 of those to get 55 6*s. You get 8 a week for 35 dollars, so after 14.375 weeks you will have gotten 1 7* after spending 505 dollars on those deals.

So while you do get more bang for your buck on average (since 100 paragon crystals will cost you just over 600 dollars if you straight up just buy the units to get them) it'll still take you about 14 weeks to get 1 7* from that. However, there are more ways to get units than just spending, but I don't have the arena grind numbers so I won't go over that here.

Time is not the issue, value is.

Paragon crystals value is 200 units which are available for free.

Mythic crystals are $5 which you have to earn with a job before you can buy.

I’m no economist but I can see which has the better value since time isn’t the issue.

Would you feel the same if you spent $200 on paragon crystals and didn’t pull a 7*?

Just watched someone do it. Doesn’t take an economist to see the value on these is weak.

200 bucks is also a person choice to spend knowing full well the chance is there to get zero 7*. If they can part with that kind of money instead of say buying food for the month, then more power to them.