Battlegrounds points needs major overhaul

How can you lose when the opponent doesn’t even kill your champion, major flaws to battlegrounds that have been going for to long with no changed or repairs. And this is only one of them another is finishing with 100% health and the opponent finishes 10 seconds earlier but has like 65% or so health and still wins

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Vendemiaire

Yea, your opponent didn't finish off the remaining 30% health but, my boy, you almost died! Lol.

slayer6

@Vendemiaire almost dying and killing them is a lot better than timing out and leaving near 15k health, you shouldn’t lose if you ko them but they can’t ko you.
You make as much sense as Kabam or your special, it is like finishing a game is less important than failing is what your saying?

Pikolu

BGs points are fine as is, if the only thing that mattered was KOing, then herc would be OP because immortality. You lost a ton more health than they did and took forever to beat spiderham too.

Had you a)lost less health, or b)beat spiderham faster, then you would have deserved to win. 1 second faster is all you needed to win.

slayer6

@Pikolu you miss the point if they don’t ko you but you ko them then you shouldn’t be able to lose, if I fight a boss in war do I get more points in war for timing out or for 1 shot?
In arena do I get more points for not completing it or for ko’ing the enemy?
This is why a lot of plat 1-2 and masters don’t do bg as it is crazy (and yes I do know as I have r5 champs and am in those tiers before you ask)

Vendemiaire

@Vendemiaire almost dying and killing them is a lot better than timing out and leaving near 15k health, you shouldn’t lose if you ko them but they can’t ko you.
You make as much sense as Kabam or your special, it is like finishing a game is less important than failing is what your saying?

*you're special

Not your. I don't own 'special'. It's 2023 and you still use that as a derogatory term?

Yea, they didn't finish but you finished with only a few seconds left. You would have won if you finished it in under a minute which isn't impossible since you were using Hercules. Also... you almost died with Hercules (the best champion in game)... How?!

slayer6

@Vendemiaire yes you are special it was a r5 ham so makes plenty of sense if you had any idea you would realise that when your high prestige this stuff happens

JChanceH9

All you had to do is not lose so much health. Literally like a percent or two less…

slayer6

@JChanceH9 ita not about the health if someone can’t complete the fight and drop you they should not be able to win if you ko them is my point, makes zero sense

JChanceH9

@slayer6 They already have the defenders remaining health weighted as 50% of the points. If it were 100% and both players defeated the defender then it’s a tie. They’ve got to split point somehow. It seems pretty fair to me, but I understand your frustration. It sucks losing by that small of a margins when you got the KO and they didn’t. Got to draw a line somewhere though.

Pikolu

You're beating a dead horse, KOing is worth 30k points, it isn't an end all win all. Others have argued the same stance as you and none of them got their way.

Also would you be complaining about the points system if you won by 70 points?

Also, how would it feel to finish the fight at 100% health, but you timed out with them at 1% and you lost the match because the other dude used herc and survived at 1hp and KOed the opponent with 2 seconds to spare? Would you consider that fair? You obviously did much better because you had 100% health, but lost to a dude using herc cheese, not even fighting well.

CyborgNinja135

@JChanceH9 ita not about the health if someone can’t complete the fight and drop you they should not be able to win if you ko them is my point, makes zero sense

BGs is also a game mode where skill is important. If you can't finish the fight with as much health as possible then you weren't playing skillfully enough and you're penalized. It's that simple.

JChanceH9

Also, rereading that it looks like English is my second or third language. Good grief autocorrect failed me.

slayer6

@Pikolu if I didn’t finish them and lost I’d be fine with that as I failed tbh

slayer6

@JChanceH9 we all have that predictive text issue at times

Pikolu

@Pikolu if I didn’t finish them and lost I’d be fine with that as I failed tbh

If that is really how you feel, then I feel you greatly misunderstand battlegrounds

slayer6

My rants good for now lol pi$$ me off a touch and the guys in line chat where if same thoughts even in life unless you actually finish how can you be beat by someone who fails to get to the end goal.

Anly

@JChanceH9 ita not about the health if someone can’t complete the fight and drop you they should not be able to win if you ko them is my point, makes zero sense

Look at your health... you lost the points you wouldve earned when you got hit

slayer6

Rant done you guys don’t understand where myself and the line chat are coming from.
If you don’t ko the opponent you should auto lose unless both fail in the time, then points should come into it

CyborgNinja135

Rant done you guys don’t understand where myself and the line chat are coming from.
If you don’t ko the opponent you should auto lose unless both fail in the time, then points should come into it

Good thing you're not in charge of balancing the game mode then

Anly

Rant done you guys don’t understand where myself and the line chat are coming from.
If you don’t ko the opponent you should auto lose unless both fail in the time, then points should come into it

No we or at the very least i understand where your coming from we just dont agree

GinjabredMonsta

There are times when the scoring seems if and I can agree with you, but this isn’t one of those times. You almost lost this fight and with some more time or a different strategy maybe, they would have KO your opponent. I don’t think the scoring is perfect, but you shouldn’t automatically lose if you don’t KO the opponent.

slayer6

@GinjabredMonsta yer it’s def one of those times Kabam kicked my cat and I’m a bit unhappy about it lol rant out I feel a little better haha

MrSakuragi

My rants good for now lol pi$$ me off a touch and the guys in line chat where if same thoughts even in life unless you actually finish how can you be beat by someone who fails to get to the end goal.

The end goal is to earn more points than your opponent, you’ve failed.

Anly

Imagine losing because they put peni or rintrah the only upside would be kabam would would make big 💵 from people whaling trying to get tanky af defenders 😂 then maybe we can get free mastery swaps

slayer6

@Anly id have liked rintrah I had counter for that lol but that was 1st fight

xNig

Rant done you guys don’t understand where myself and the line chat are coming from.
If you don’t ko the opponent you should auto lose unless both fail in the time, then points should come into it

Sounds like a really bitter chat room.

DNA3000

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How can you lose when the opponent doesn’t even kill your champion, major flaws to battlegrounds that have been going for to long with no changed or repairs. And this is only one of them another is finishing with 100% health and the opponent finishes 10 seconds earlier but has like 65% or so health and still wins

It is what it is. I myself advocated for a different scoring system, but the current one is not bugged or broken, it implements a different philosophy.

In situations like this, there's two kinds of scoring systems. I call them tiered scoring and synthetic scoring. In tiered scoring there are a number of objectives in some priority order. One of them is the primary objective. Whomever does the best at this wins. If there's a tie, then the second objective criteria is consulted, and so on. Hypothetically speaking, we could make such a criteria for Battlegrounds: whoever defeats the opponent the fastest wins, if that's a tie then whoever finishes with the most health wins. That sort of thing (it would have to be more complex than that to catch all the corner cases, this is just an example).

However, many people don't like that kind of scoring for certain legitimate reasons. Prioritizing one thing locks the meta into one kind of strategy, even with shifting nodes. And not everyone agrees what the priority order should be or how to account for all the corner cases. The alternative is synthetic scoring where there's no single primary objective. Instead, the goal is to optimize all of them at once. In other words, defeat the opponent as fast as possible while taking as little damage as possible. How do you balance the two? With weights: attacker health is worth this much, time is worth that much. Many people prefer this kind of scoring, and that's what the game ultimately implements.

It was not my first choice, but it is not "flawed." it is a choice. The game chose that way, and honestly I don't think it is likely they will ever change it. At least not in such a dramatic way, they could tweak the weights over time. Like it or not, thems the rules and at this point I think trying to change it is wasted effort. I've accepted it and moved on myself. I would suggest others to do likewise. When something like this comes down to preference and opinion, the designers are going to have theirs, and yours isn't going to override theirs any more than theirs are going to change yours. Except they make the game, and we play the game. Their opinions are the ones that ultimately matter, and I wouldn't respect a designer that gave up their opinions without overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

slayer6

@DNA3000 best comment yet very thought out and makes sense thank you I like that input

slayer6

@xNig yer I had my rant then got some silly comments so I got sour and they got bitter and was no singing and holding hands around the fire lol

TheAngryOne

@xNig yer I had my rant then got some silly comments so I got sour and they got bitter and was no singing and holding hands around the fire lol

What silly comment did you receive? I can only see one and it's the one where you called someone a donkey.

Don't let a loss in a mobile game get the better of you. Losing a round of battlegrounds isn't the end of the world.

My advice: Just take your L and move on.