Why is "AI erratic behaviour" still not in the Issue Tracker?

I was just playing some BGs just because, and dude, BG bugs aside, AI is way different, it just not working as always used to work, it does:

erratic movements
special intercepts
special while blocking, no matter if it is me or him blocking
taunts debuffs not making AI more agressive
AI stopping a combo in the mid of it and then suddenly continuing it just in time so you cant punish it
AI doing combos right after each one without the pause you would have to do between them, so you cant punish them.
AI doing specials while stunned
AI recovery being way faster than before
AI doing combos in the air, just in the air, you dex the first mid one and the AI just continues erratically
AI holding specials or AI just rushing in all the time.
AI throwing specials in the middle of my combo

Why the hell, this is not in the Issue Tracker, I would love an explanation, it is fine to have bugs in games, its just normal, coding is what it is, sometimes it messes up sometimes it doesnt, but not even acknowledging the fact that those are happening is just outrageous.

And its amazing how this is just random, sometimes the AI works just like it used to work, and sometimes its just mayhem.
It works specially well for Story Content, but in the rest of the content its just random, completely random.

Comments

[Deleted User]

Its just a lot more of a complicated fix than you might think, and putting it on the trello board just to get people to stop talking about it wouldn't do much in the way of helping. They've got so many bugs to fix that have no workaround with Cassie Lang, Kate Bishop, Power Shield 2.0, BG disconnecting, etc. there's just no reason to bluff it and slap it on the board as well. For now, try playing around the AI and record what you can, Kabam can't fix issues without knowing what's causing them, so it'd be really helpful.

BigBlueOx

You know this is why that Vega video front and center started with testing. It shouldn’t be an expectation passed down to the customers to play test the product.

[Deleted User]

Then don't

BigBlueOx

How’s the white knight excuse cape fit? Is it snug? Does come with a membership card?

[Deleted User]

If you want it fixed, you have ways of helping. If you don't wanna help, then don't. Its just that simple. Kabam isn't asking you to do anything, but just complaining isn't gonna get us anywhere, so I'm asking. If you don't wanna, you can move on.

Jefechuta

I dont have a problem with putting some videos so they see it, but I think there are enough of those on posts each day that show how bad it is working, not only here but on the Content Creators videos aswell, we can see how they play and we can see how the AI just does any of the things I commented before, I only want Kabam to acknowledge it and put some players to test their tries on fixing it, cause since they dont even acknowledged it I dont think they are trying to fix it either.

klobberintyme

"Profitable" is subjective.

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/81552/netmarble-drew-84-of-its-revenue-from-overseas-sources-in-q1-2023/

MCOC does indeed generate revenue, however it's also responsible for propping up an overall lackluster kabam unit and a poor performer in parent Netmarble. That's a lot of heavy lifting, revenue-wise.

But hey, jackpot world!

Crimson8399

I fell like the game has just grown to big for them manage. The never ending stream of bugs, frame rate issues, and inputs fails proves that they are no longer capable of properly supporting their own product. Is probably either time to out source it or unfortunately shut it down. They will never be what they once were.

Crusaderjr

almost like the AI plays extra difficult when it has an upper hand due to nodes or something.
play style changes significantly when fighting AI in AW. when an enemy back you up into corner (when AI refuses to throw a special) they tend to dash in and out, super fast and push you to the wall. forcing dex's and seeing super aggressive gameplay all while not throwing a special. either causing you to mess up, AI gets sp3 due to no special passiveness, or just prolonged fights of specials and attacks hit into block in wall of longer than usual fights.

raviXsharma

Your words fit exactly on you perfectly. If you wanna help the OP, help. If you don't wanna help, then don't. Kabam isn't asking you to do anything either, but just licking some A** isn't gonna get us anywhere. If you don't wanna, you can move on from here

Searmenis

There s a ton of videos out there proving with great detail how the AI moves, reacts, counters etc, and the majority from CCP members. For more than a year now. If kabam wanted to get its hand on the issue, it would have done so. By now, me and I m assuming the biggest part of the player base are convinced that all this is pretty intentional.

HungaryHippo

You're assuming they play the game at the same level we do. I highly doubt any real technical Kabam employees are even close to the average skilled Paragon player.

I_tell_no_tales_1

I mean there have been many bugs that even below average players would notice if they play
I doubt that Kabam even has a testing team to test champs/buffs before sending them live
I mean Hawkeye buff can be a prime example
They didn't knew it wasn't working as intended until the playerbase told them

Mackey

I've got countless videos showing the issues, I've created threads on certain interactions and tagged mods to say I have videos to show it as well as commenting on other threads saying i have videos showing it yet not once have they reached out for them.videos or even acknowledged that theyre interested in them and on top of all that we cannot upload videos to these forums anyway. In my own opinion, they're not bothered about it and are trying to stay quiet on the topic

BigBlueOx

This 100%. It’s why the initial comment is so tiresome and tone deaf.

[Deleted User]

But it's just that. An opinion. Yes, it's a horrible system to have forum moderators that can't say anything about anything without asking a thousand people first, but they still read countless threads without commenting on or interacting with them. They might be bothered about it or they might not, so keep doing what you can and just hope they listen. Or don't.

Being so anti Kabam is a beautiful thing, but this thread could've easily been dedicated to people saying "I was reparried by (champion) on node X in AW. I was using (champion) and I don't believe there was any reason this should've happened, or any reasonable way it could've been avoided."

Instead, people decided that general complaints and the same "tech company should do tech company things more" that we hear about every bug under the sun is a better use of their time. You wanna hold Kabam accountable? Stop just saying "Kabam sucks" and keep proving to them that there's something they need to fix. Or don't.

raviXsharma

Theres posts I have seen where people have done that. Now what? Any fixes? Nope. What you are saying is correct and some people are also following it but this is true kabam has not addressed the issue and people like OP have been frustrated with all the issues addressed above

BigBlueOx

Again… those threads and gameplay video’s exist, in multitudes. The reason why generic thread’s exist is nothing visible is offered back in return.

Jefechuta

It's not being Anti-Kabam or not, it's being fair with both the community and Kabam aswell, the game as a good bunch of bugs, a pretty good bunch, and we as players understand that it happens with games, but there are decisions that dont feel that fair for us at all.

BGs have a lot of bugs, they have it since Season 4 if I remember correctly, after all this Seasons, we got one compensation, the one from a week and half ago, and its just a latency compensation, not the BGs one.

What would be the fair option? Either shut BGs down until players can play without losing resources and matches cause of those, OR, compensate them regularely like they did with Input Issues at first, It doesnt have to be a big compensation, but something like:

"Hey, we know we have this issues, so here you have, 200 Elder Marks, 1 Energy Refill, 1000 Trophy Tokens and have a nice day"

Input Issues are just in the worst moment ever, which is one of the most basic mechanics of the game, just being able to tap the screen, and we stopped getting those regularely compensations, and when we got that, we didnt have BY FAR, the same issues we have know, those were really really light issues, personally, I got affected maybe in 1 or 2 fights out of maybe 100 or 200, but now that it affects maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 or 20, its the moment to give something like I said before, which is not being done.

Okay, I can still understand it at this point, Miike and the rest of the employees are probably not the ones deciding to give those compensations or not, we can understand it, fair, we will go on still and try to play the game the best way we can.

But not acknowledging the issue is completely different, I dont think the way AI recovers or behaves is intentional, since it is waaaaay different that how it used to work at between 2019 and 2022, I dont really remember how it used to be in 2015 that is the time I started playing, but I remember between those years, and it was pretty diferent, it was quite strange for the AI to hold specials if you baited those, I was quite strange for them all agressive unless it was due to taunts or Agressive nodes, it was quite strange for them to just stay back all the time, It was impossible for them to do special intercepts or attack you doing your combos, same with throwing specials while blocking.

My point of view is that something in the code of MCOC affects the AI in a way that it shouldnt, but that makes content to be harder so the players have to use those units on Heals and Revives and Boosts etc, or spend money on them to be able to do so, and they like it that way.

Or maybe they dont want to add more Issues that are this big, since AI is the other basic mechanic within Inputs, since the most basic thing on the game is being able to tap the screen and being able to fight something while doing it, which is the AI.

As always, I only want transparency, just tell us what is going on with it, If its intentional and you want AI to be harder in determinate content, okay, fair, we will deal with it and try to play the way you want us to do, but if its not, and its a bug, I just wanna know why it isnt being acknowledged.

We have the CCB, which is nice, but we need a version of the game where players can really test things, when I say test things I mean to put the official update 1 week before on the beta, that should be the whole point of the beta, to put the same Content you are going to put on the Live one just some time before, maybe a week or 2, so the Beta Testers are able to see the bugs or the issues that those updates will bring.

That way you can keep putting patches of Input Issues tests, AI tests, Events tests, Objectives and Missions tests, Store Tests, and all the things that usually get bugged in every update.

I dont think thats the way you are treating CCB, but I think it is the way it should be treated, if any of the CCB players read this and Its already this way, then I apologize, but let us know please, a lot of times players feel like it doesnt matter what issues we experience.

And the same way I like to say "Hey Kabam, thanks a lot, well done", I think it is fair to say that this is not a good job at all, or it doesnt feel like it

Laceros

Im cool with special intercepts, makes you have to be more cautious. Fun

Wozzle007

When I first started playing the AI never used to hold block, keep holding it, you dash in to hit there block to get the fight actually going, then they light intercept, combo you and special you to oblivion.

[Deleted User]

And those posts are drowned out by the multitudes of generic "fix your ****" posts that flood the forums every day. I'm not claiming that people aren't trying to help, but people are so unaware of how unhelpful and often intrusive it is to keep saying the AI is bad without providing legitimate conversation or evidence.

Over the past week I've seen many posts claiming that the opponent has thrown their specials without even a bar of power or has reparried them when striking into their block with a combo, but I have yet to see a video of either of those actually happening. Not in my own gameplay, not in the hundreds of hours of YouTube videos and livestreams from Seatin, Brain Grant, Karatemike, etc. and especially not here on the forums. It's impossible to fix either of those things without a solid cause, and the executives at Kabam aren't going to drop tens of millions of dollars hiring beta testers.

So if players are encountering issues and have any desire for them to be fixed, there are ways of making that happen, and complaining that it hasn't happened yet when contributing nothing but agreement or disagreement to the issue just isn't helpful. Like I said from the beginning: if you don't want to do it, then don't. But if you would like to contribute, then anything from a description of who you were fighting and where to a video of the interaction happening could go a long way.

Just look at the Cassie Lang thread. People wanted her to be fixed, so they made a dedicated thread to the issue, provided video evidence and lists and descriptions of each issue and their likely cause. Kabam responded saying they already knew of some of her issues and were working on a fix, but due to the videos shown in the thread, they found another issue and began working on that as well. How could Kabam possibly put that same amount of work into an issue as convoluted as this one when generic "AI is bad please fix" requests are being pushed to the top page every day?

Searmenis

Let s stop posting everything in the forums then, except for helpful videos showing how AI reacts. No polls, no gameplay or funny stuff, nothing, because kabam ppl can't find the useful threads in the jungle of all the other conversations.

Wozzle007

I think the point is, if it’s not on the bug tracker, is the AI issue that we the players are seeing and showing Kabam, acknowledged by Kabam as something that needs to be fixed? We often joke, the bugs are the game working as intended, but unless Kabam acknowledge there is an issue this might actually be the game working as Kabam intends it.

1199345

Just had two new interactions: The AI chained two sp1s when it was up to two bars of power, and it decided to throw a special when I was in the middle of a 5-hit-combo...

I know I, as a player, don't have the option to do either.

I'm not sure if they're a bug or just coded into the game, but the AI certainly seems to have more tricks up its sleeve lately than the player has options and availability to mirror or counter...

[Deleted User]

See, and twisting my words like that is just as helpful as doing the same nothing at all

[Deleted User]

If it's not on the bug tracker, it just means they haven't addressed it yet. The point should be: if this is working as Kabam intends it, how do we show them that their intents need to change?

startropics

This one and needing 6 dexes to bait a special bugs me the most.

This is the AI: air attack-air attack-air attack-DASH IN for a successful hit.

I know how to dex, this is just cheap tactics.

Searmenis

No, that s exactly what you re saying.Even if a generic complain post or a gameplay one, it gets in front and the "useful" ones are lost.
Btw why fo we have to do the work? (that, again, it s already out there, and the company obviously knows.) What s CCPs job? I want to just, play a game in my spare time, that s why I downloaded it 6 years ago.

Mackey

Or "if this is working as intended then why don't they confirm as much"