Thoughts on Cassie/ Ant-Man future rebalancing

Shadowstrike

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/337614/cassie-lang-and-ant-man-future-balancing-updates#latest


So no changes to Cassie and they're going to address the bugs that have been affecting Ant-Man future since his release as well as tweak the existing kit to optimize his performance.

No other Buffs/ Reworks announced.

Thoughts?

Emilia90

I’m happy with it. Cassie is already great and FAM was already amazing. I actually didn’t realize the FAM thing so this’ll be a nice addition to his defensive prowess

Furrymoosen

It’s interesting that they are tuning down the original design in FAM’s kit, but because they’re fixing a bug he will already be getting better than he currently exists so I’m okay with it.

Fryday

Is there any futher information on fixing Cassie's heavy animation and missing hit problem?

13579rebel_

Honestly I just wanted another buff

Secret_Gamer

I'm surprised there is not a mention of fixing Cassie's animation bugs (missing while large etc.), even though those are more well known that FAM's bugs.

Axew

I miss the OG buff program. We get barely any buffs these days, and if we do get one it’s just a numbers change. They’ve shown they can make great buffs like Juggs and Hulk, we just need the cadence to increase

Pandingo

Yo. I have em both r4 sig 200 already because I love them so much. Much love on any benefits recieved

AverageDesi

They haven't mentioned anything about her taunt being ridiculously strong

Chobbly

13579rebel_ said:

Honestly I just wanted another buff

I appreciate the focus that the rebalancing gives, but yeah I know what you mean. It would have been nice if they could have squeezed in a mini-buff or numbers-only change to an older chap somehow.

xLunatiXx

So now we're going through beta testing for bug fixing ?
Sounds like a cover up for lack of buff if you ask me

BitterSteel

xLunatiXx said:

So now we're going through beta testing for bug fixing ?
Sounds like a cover up for lack of buff if you ask me

The fixing of this bug buffs Ant Man’s tankiness fairly significantly both on offence and defence. It could make him a nightmare to face on defence, and could make him too strong on offence.

We as the community often complain kabam don’t test things enough, we can’t have it both ways when they decide to test things more.

HulkbusterN1

I don’t really know how Kabam can decide that Cassie is good and don’t need a fix/buff. She is super buggy right now. I gave her r3, did 1 run in RoL and that’s it. Just because she is unplayable. She is heavy reliable, and it sucks when the opponent can interrupt you during the heavy attack. Also bugged hit boxes are so annoying. So, it would be good if first of all game team fix all of this issues, then give people a time to play with her and by that time they will have all the needed data to make decisions. What they do now just shows incompetence.
About FAM, it’s is good that team understands his problems, waiting to see bug fixes.
About this program, it’s bad, that there is no news about old champs buffs. There are many unplayable champs in the game at the moment, and I don’t really understand why nobody receives a buff. I think it’s weird, when company think they can produce a bad product and then fix it in 6 months or more and it counts as a buff program.

psp742

I thought Mantis was going to get a buff..

Cyborg17

Next month

Pikolu

Fryday said:

Is there any futher information on fixing Cassie's heavy animation and missing hit problem?

It is something that is on Kabams radar, but they don't have anything further to share about it. I imagine it is probably a very complex issue.

Kerneas

I surely didn't expect them to buff FAM. I look forward to trying him out myself

Corkscrew

BitterSteel said:

xLunatiXx said:

So now we're going through beta testing for bug fixing ?
Sounds like a cover up for lack of buff if you ask me

The fixing of this bug buffs Ant Man’s tankiness fairly significantly both on offence and defence. It could make him a nightmare to face on defence, and could make him too strong on offence.

We as the community often complain kabam don’t test things enough, we can’t have it both ways when they decide to test things more.

Complaining about not enough testing and complaining about having testing while a champ is already live, in the wild and having resources pumped into him isn't contradictory.

The balancing program is supposed to allow them to evaluate a champ when the champ is working as intended. He's not working as intended. Reality is that he should have been tested more before release, then the second complaint wouldn't happen.

BitterSteel

Corkscrew said:

BitterSteel said:

xLunatiXx said:

So now we're going through beta testing for bug fixing ?
Sounds like a cover up for lack of buff if you ask me

The fixing of this bug buffs Ant Man’s tankiness fairly significantly both on offence and defence. It could make him a nightmare to face on defence, and could make him too strong on offence.

We as the community often complain kabam don’t test things enough, we can’t have it both ways when they decide to test things more.

Complaining about not enough testing and complaining about having testing while a champ is already live, in the wild and having resources pumped into him isn't contradictory.

The balancing program is supposed to allow them to evaluate a champ when the champ is working as intended. He's not working as intended. Reality is that he should have been tested more before release, then the second complaint wouldn't happen.

We don’t live in a perfect world, but we can all try and be realistic about it.

Bugs do happen, and they suck. But when they happen, you’ve got to ask what the best thing to do about it is.

This bug fix will buff future ant man on defence. Let’s say that hypothetically, this buff makes him horrific to deal with on defence.

Would you rather Kabam pump it live to the game this second, so you dealing with him in war next war, or the next BG match you face him he kicks your butt and costs you resources, costs you in important BG game, or an important war?

Of course, the easiest answer is “well it should have been fixed before”. But it wasn’t. And I think a lot of people could take a second to appreciate the complexities of champ design, and the man hours available to the team.

This bug is pretty small on the whole, I saw people in the CCP respond to this saying “really?” in response to finding out about it. People who have used high ranked Ant Man’s (men?) in high tier war.

So if some players haven’t spotted it after Ant Man has been out for months, just take a second to think about how difficult it would have been to spot for a few people in a team, furiously working to make sure the champion isn’t broken in a million other ways, in a million other interactions with champions, nodes, synergies etc.

I know it’s really easy to spot the one bug that snuck through and say it should have been fixed before, but you don’t see the hundreds of bugs fixed during his design and testing phase.

So overall, try and be a little more understanding of this complex game we have. And try and appreciate them dealing with one small bug that will make him more difficult to fight by testing it on a beta first. I think it’s a good precedent to set going forward.

Corkscrew

BitterSteel said:

We don’t live in a perfect world, but we can all try and be realistic about it.

Bugs do happen, and they suck. But when they happen, you’ve got to ask what the best thing to do about it is.
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Of course, the easiest answer is “well it should have been fixed before”. But it wasn’t. And I think a lot of people could take a second to appreciate the complexities of champ design, and the man hours available to the team.
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So overall, try and be a little more understanding of this complex game we have. And try and appreciate them dealing with one small bug that will make him more difficult to fight by testing it on a beta first. I think it’s a good precedent to set going forward.

As someone that has worked in software for decades, from all aspects including coding, project management and support of software designed as a product and bespoke for clients.... bugs do happen. The fact that when content drops and someone gets jammed up by a bug, the community tells them they should have known better than to do it straight away speak volumes about our perception of Kabam. Kabam have convinced us that bugs are to be expected.

Looking at the support side of things, for a company that wants you on their game 24/7 and spending $$$ if they can make you, they can be very unresponsive at times. I've worked with small businesses that can offer 24/7 support if their product is advertised as 24/7 globally distributed.

Back to FAM, in a vacuum, FAM bugs could be considered minor and even in the context of the game as a whole, it's probably still minor. But if you look at Kabam's track record, when have they released anything that is devoid of bugs? e.g. objectives not counting; getting locked out of side quests; incorrect drop rates on crystals; poorly implemented AW nodes; BG nodes or the myriad of BG disconnection issues. I could go on.

So, if we have people telling Kabam that it's ok for us to expect bugs, then we can expect it to get worse.