Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
Roster construction of course plays a big factor. Not sure where skill and wit being the only factors comes from.
Or this ? How do you even begin to stop such roster, I mean I got one R5 and 15 R4s and very very skilled player but no way in hell im beating him if I ever confront him and will leave instantly just like most of the players in his stream
OK so I'm a spender not a whale. I spent a couple hundred dollars on this year's event. If I'm being honest I was surprised at the r5 gem and think that may have been a little much. But I do think these deals helped ftp. These deals changed the game economy I think mat 6 material will now be easier especially for ftp to gain. If you're a moderate spender or ftp you will always be one step behind the top. I understand what you're saying about bgs. I'm currently in GC and getting smashed by these whale accounts. Hey it is what it is. Just remember these deals are usually good for everyone directly or indirectly.
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
Roster construction of course plays a big factor. Not sure where skill and wit being the only factors comes from.
Most multi-player games are supposed to be equal, paying money only gets you skins and camos that don't give one slight advantageous edge
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
Roster construction of course plays a big factor. Not sure where skill and wit being the only factors comes from.
Most multi-player games are supposed to be equal, paying money only gets you skins and camos that don't give one slight advantageous edge
This is a moble game. Spending always gets you ahead in moble games
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
Roster construction of course plays a big factor. Not sure where skill and wit being the only factors comes from.
Most multi-player games are supposed to be equal, paying money only gets you skins and camos that don't give one slight advantageous edge
No. There is no game that is designed to be "equal" for paying. Whether it's additional energy, items, exclusives, or progression, it's all designed to provide someone what they can't get for free. The idea that people are entitled to be head-to-head with spenders for free is not realistic.
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
If it was only skill and wit you couldn't even have individual decks. You would both have to have identical champs to choose from. It would definitely make cheating easier to police, though.
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
Roster construction of course plays a big factor. Not sure where skill and wit being the only factors comes from.
Most multi-player games are supposed to be equal, paying money only gets you skins and camos that don't give one slight advantageous edge
Every mobile game on my phone gives an advantage to spenders. In the form of items to rank up faster, additional currency or loot boxes for a chance at higher rank characters.
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
If it was only skill and wit you couldn't even have individual decks. You would both have to have identical champs to choose from. It would definitely make cheating easier to police, though.
Checks out for me. It’s the entire point of BGs. You have to face everyone
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
If it was only skill and wit you couldn't even have individual decks. You would both have to have identical champs to choose from. It would definitely make cheating easier to police, though.
Checks out for me. It’s the entire point of BGs. You have to face everyone
Does this look normal to you guys who say that the whales aren't given that much of advantage?? Now how is this fair in competitve environment like BGs where only skill and wit should win you matches not some top $$ ?? Again if BGs weren't a thing spenders can have their own custom made champions for all i care
Looks normal to me. The entire point of BGs is you have to face everyone.
I'm sorry and disagree if you want but I think it's silly to be upset that people who are spending several hundred dollars on offers are gaining an advantage in the game. If they didn't gain an advantage then why spend? If they don't spend then what happens to the game?
What happened to the game for last 6-7 years, what changed this year?
I'm not sure what you mean by this but exact same thing happens every single forth of July sale period. The main difference this year is that BG exist which didn't exist in previous year sales. The sales give the Whales a temporary advantage, which is why they buy the offers.
Ok , so you mean each deals make your account 2x to 3x bigger than current one, atleast I have not seen this in last 6 years
First, no there are not making accounts three times bigger as adding a few new top rankups don't want automatically triple their roster.
Second, YES, every year on forth of July sale is basically same thing where whales get a whole new top rankups roster just like this. The thing you are overlooking is that this is just more of a headstart for the whales over f2p. Meaning, over the next several months the gap will drastically decrease on top rankups between whales and non whales and it eventually evens out.
As an example, over past many years, I have "whales out" on the forth of July and black Friday deals and my roster was easily in the top 1% of the game at those times. However, as of late last years, I stopped spending on deals and over past few months I've completely stopped playing.
My roster is no longer in top 1% in fact, I don't know if it's even top 20% anymore. As long as people keep beating content they minimize the gap (but there will always be and should always be a gap between whales and f2p otherwise why spend) and every single year after big slaves like this there is a massive TEMPORARY increases gap.
I disagree not this massive, in previous cyber weekend, people spent like 100k for 1 r5 and there wasn't any big gap as r4 was easily available from story and all, but this time even if you complete everything in game you can't get a single r5 and spenders have like 10's of them including R2 of 7*
Wut? My first R5 came from EOP. Months and months ago. Almost everyone’s did.
I’m going to let you all in on a secret. I’m wrong side of fifty. I make good money, but that’s about all I’m better at now than when I was 20. I use reading glasses now. I have a bit of arthritis in my hands. Response time is just slightly worse. Do I have a means of keeping with skills AND youth in someone like MSD? Of course not. In real sports they’d just put me in an old guys division and forget about me. But here, I spend a bit, and my oversized champs try to help me keep up. It is what it is. I’m not getting any younger.
I’m going to let you all in on a secret. I’m wrong side of fifty. I make good money, but that’s about all I’m better at now than when I was 20. I use reading glasses now. I have a bit of arthritis in my hands. Response time is just slightly worse. Do I have a means of keeping with skills AND youth in someone like MSD? Of course not. In real sports they’d just put me in an old guys division and forget about me. But here, I spend a bit, and my oversized champs try to help me keep up. It is what it is. I’m not getting any younger.
I feel you. I started to get arthritis in my 30s and now my hands just hurt most of the time. I manage, but getting older is a double-edged sword. I'm wiser, but my body is protesting. Lol.
It's perfectly reasonable for spenders (and especially people who will drop hundreds or thousands of dollars) to be at the top of the game.
Is the sudden availability of multiple r5 gems excessive? Quite possibly. Is it unfortunate that this sudden boom in roster growth is overlapping with a BG season that's meant to additionally compensate for an entire war season? Absolutely. Is this sale going to break the entire game economy? Definitely not.
Kabam clearly wants players to finish fleshing out their 6* rosters and start the transition to 7* champs. Making rank up gems so accessible now most likely means that Kabam will be making the equivalent rank up mats more available as they finish up act 8 and continue on to future side/everest content.
Or this ? How do you even begin to stop such roster, I mean I got one R5 and 15 R4s and very very skilled player but no way in hell im beating him if I ever confront him and will leave instantly just like most of the players in his stream
Immediately after the sale is when the gap is the most noticeable. By cyber weekend it will not be that noticeable but then it will happen again.
By the way you say you are skilled but you have 1 r5. Kt1 had I believe 8 r5 before the sales. Don't worry he would destroy you with 5*s so his roster doesn't matter.
Players like kt have to whale out to compete with the other celestial players. He, or other top players, do not need it to beat the people who finish in gamma or even mysterium.
So in conclusion someone with 1 r5 who dies in most bg fights will lose to someone with 15 r5 who also dies in most bg fights because of health pools. But that's not a whale problem, that's a skill problem. So just worry about getting better and not the top players.
I’m going to let you all in on a secret. I’m wrong side of fifty. I make good money, but that’s about all I’m better at now than when I was 20. I use reading glasses now. I have a bit of arthritis in my hands. Response time is just slightly worse. Do I have a means of keeping with skills AND youth in someone like MSD? Of course not. In real sports they’d just put me in an old guys division and forget about me. But here, I spend a bit, and my oversized champs try to help me keep up. It is what it is. I’m not getting any younger.
I feel you. I started to get arthritis in my 30s and now my hands just hurt most of the time. I manage, but getting older is a double-edged sword. I'm wiser, but my body is protesting. Lol.
Yeah. If people REALLY wanted to prevent me getting an edge, they’d stop worrying about my roster and take away my ibuprofen.
I’m going to let you all in on a secret. I’m wrong side of fifty. I make good money, but that’s about all I’m better at now than when I was 20. I use reading glasses now. I have a bit of arthritis in my hands. Response time is just slightly worse. Do I have a means of keeping with skills AND youth in someone like MSD? Of course not. In real sports they’d just put me in an old guys division and forget about me. But here, I spend a bit, and my oversized champs try to help me keep up. It is what it is. I’m not getting any younger.
I feel you. I started to get arthritis in my 30s and now my hands just hurt most of the time. I manage, but getting older is a double-edged sword. I'm wiser, but my body is protesting. Lol.
Yeah. If people REALLY wanted to prevent me getting an edge, they’d stop worrying about my roster and take away my ibuprofen.
You can take my Account. Take my Advil, and we're going to have a go. 😆
From a middle spender perspective, yes, it is too much. I ll have 7 r5s after this event, and 0 r2s (7 stars). I bought some things, mostly to get the rest of the units I needed for one full run of unit deals. This game used to be skill based, even with the whale gap, we could manage if we did bought a few stuff here and there, plus skill. Not anymore. A couple of years back, the expression "get good" was top hashtag in the forums. Now it s replaced with "spend good".
The problem with this greedy attitude, especially this year around, is that, we casual spenders are starting to lose interest in spending all together. I stopped buying the Sigil a few months back, I haven't got any of the monthly cards, just 1/3 of the summer deals. I m not rich to spend 1k euros in a broken game, and my little money contribute to it, don't make a difference in BGs, it won't make a big difference in future Top notch content, since I won't have the 40+ revives that whales will buy to finish it.
I m not even interested to 100% 8.2 anymore. I have two more 8.2.6 paths, and for me it's a unit spending final fight, since parry DOES. NOT. WORK. The rewards for this are irrelevant after sun & "fun", so I won't be getting more offers to have spare units for this.
So from my perspective, ftp and casual spenders are in the same boat now. Better become ftp then, than struggling to have "fun". In the sun.
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The idea that people are entitled to be head-to-head with spenders for free is not realistic.
Checks out for me. It’s the entire point of BGs. You have to face everyone
Is the sudden availability of multiple r5 gems excessive? Quite possibly. Is it unfortunate that this sudden boom in roster growth is overlapping with a BG season that's meant to additionally compensate for an entire war season? Absolutely. Is this sale going to break the entire game economy? Definitely not.
Kabam clearly wants players to finish fleshing out their 6* rosters and start the transition to 7* champs. Making rank up gems so accessible now most likely means that Kabam will be making the equivalent rank up mats more available as they finish up act 8 and continue on to future side/everest content.
By the way you say you are skilled but you have 1 r5. Kt1 had I believe 8 r5 before the sales. Don't worry he would destroy you with 5*s so his roster doesn't matter.
Players like kt have to whale out to compete with the other celestial players. He, or other top players, do not need it to beat the people who finish in gamma or even mysterium.
So in conclusion someone with 1 r5 who dies in most bg fights will lose to someone with 15 r5 who also dies in most bg fights because of health pools. But that's not a whale problem,
that's a skill problem. So just worry about getting better and not the top players.
But keep those bans coming on Arena, BGs, etc. We need those 3 strikes to run out. <---- Largest issue after inputs.
The problem with this greedy attitude, especially this year around, is that, we casual spenders are starting to lose interest in spending all together. I stopped buying the Sigil a few months back, I haven't got any of the monthly cards, just 1/3 of the summer deals. I m not rich to spend 1k euros in a broken game, and my little money contribute to it, don't make a difference in BGs, it won't make a big difference in future Top notch content, since I won't have the 40+ revives that whales will buy to finish it.
I m not even interested to 100% 8.2 anymore. I have two more 8.2.6 paths, and for me it's a unit spending final fight, since parry DOES. NOT. WORK. The rewards for this are irrelevant after sun & "fun", so I won't be getting more offers to have spare units for this.
So from my perspective, ftp and casual spenders are in the same boat now. Better become ftp then, than struggling to have "fun". In the sun.