Should I have lost this fight? 🤔

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I feel like this is not in the spirit of this competitive mode. To not KO and win feels wrong when the other guy did the KO (and faster).

BeastDad

So I can win and still lose? That’s a problem.

Lpoo

I’d be pretty salty after this one

Furrymoosen

According to the points, yes, you should have lost. While getting the KO on your opponent is the most effective way to get points, getting through the fight cleanly is still a part of the competition. Last season you would have won this fight, but with the changes they made to the time bonus for this season your health is much more important now. I am not assuming that you tried to rush through the fight as fast as you could, but if you are pushing for speed and it costs you health then you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.

Genghis_Slim

@BitterSteel No one is on 1%…stay on topic 😂

Drago_von_Drago

The point system is the same for everyone so you have to learn it and play into it to win.

I do think getting a KO should award a couple thousand extra points to avoid these situations though. Give an extra 3-5k points for a KO to make it the goal and I think a lot of scoring complaints will go away. In the extreme cases like BitterSteel mentioned you can still win by playing better but in cases like this it almost benefits going ham early in the fight and pausing when the defender hits 3 bars of power.

Mother_Flerken

The point system is the same for everyone so you have to learn it and play into it to win.

I do think getting a KO should award a couple thousand extra points to avoid these situations though. Give an extra 3-5k points for a KO to make it the goal and I think a lot of scoring complaints will go away. In the extreme cases like BitterSteel mentioned you can still win by playing better but in cases like this it almost benefits going ham early in the fight and pausing when the defender hits 3 bars of power.

It did reward points for getting the KO, it's the time bonus.

SummonerNR

Killing opponent *DID* award them more, it gave them 3784 points, based on time it took to KO opponent.
If you don’t KO opponent, you don’t get any points in that category.

It is a TIME BASED “speed” scoring. Not just who can KO opponent. But who can basically do better within the allotted timeframe given.

Opponent was able to stay WAY HEALTHIER than the poster in their fight, while dealing semi-nearly as much damage.

Drago_von_Drago

Good point, I hadn’t looked at it that way before. I still think a fixed KO bonus would help and leave the time bonus as a tie breaker if you both get a KO but in the end, you just have to learn the scoring system and play into it.

Drago_von_Drago

Semi-nearly is quite the qualifier. There’s no perfect scoring system. This has been hashed out a lot on here. I just sympathize with the OP in this case. Getting a KO fairly quickly and still losing to an opponent that timed out doesn’t seem right to me.

Genghis_Slim

@BitterSteel Yes of course…but in this case, I gave a real life example. Waxing poetic about a hypothetical, when there’s an example here is simply dilution kind Sir

SammyDe

Yeah, I do want to win in BG this season, so I will learn from the guys here and have clean fights. I am actually doing better in BG this season without knowing this is why. I used to rush in the last 30 seconds going for the KO and now I will just play normal. The unstoppable made me play less aggressive this season already.

Genghis_Slim

@SammyDe Thats what happened here. I got overly aggressive, within assasin range and paid the price. With such a difference in time and the KO, I was a bit salty about not getting the W still

MasterSmoke

Get Good at pausing the match once you got your opponent at a reasonable % & you have high health. Since time isnt a factor if you would have paused the match at a safe spot i bet my last penny you would have won. Yea it cuts into the spirit of the game but Mcoc is getting soulless anyway with the gap between F2P & Whales so why even care.

TheSaith

according to you no one could win against Hercules???? bcz he wont die but will kill them ofcourse

coolspiderman17_

The scoring change is decent but the fact that the only thing that matters now is health is kinda bs

Drago_von_Drago

Getting a little off topic now but I would be happy with a simpler system.

If you get the KO and your opponent doesn’t you win.

If you both get the KO it comes down to time. If that’s a tie, then go to attacker health remaining.

If neither of you get the KO it goes to defender health remaining. If that’s a tie, it goes to attacker health remaining.

If you get KOed and your opponent doesn’t, you lose. If both players get KOed it goes to defender health. To prevent pausing and hoping you’re opponent gets knocked out, if the defender ends at 100% health it’s considered a forfeit.

No points at all and the focus is on winning the fight as fast as possible. Next priority is not getting KO’ed. It would be up to Kabam to prevent every season from being a nuke fest by putting nodes in place to change things up.

I still think any scoring system that doesn’t prioritize winning the fight is flawed. Kabam decided to go a different route to reward safer play.

TyEdge

That was an unconventional strategy on your part, choosing to lose almost three fourths of your health when you knew that was worth over 10,000 points.

Make better choices.

BeastDad

So I’ll just knock the opponents health down low and then pause the game, got it.

Ayden_noah1

I would say you deserve to lose since we all know the scoring system isn't about how is the fastest to get a kill. BG scoring is all about overall performance. The three factors makes it more of a skill game mode since it isn't always about nuking down the defender. If you think about real life examples the Olympics would be a good example. There are simple sports like sprinting that counts for the fastest runners and there is the Decathalon, where if you are the best in half the events but are not very good in the other half, well you aren't going to win it. You need to be good all around. Not everything is to see how fast you can nuke a defender. That's why there's different game modes with different nodes. If all the game was about nuking most the champs would never be used and it would make the game so boring since you would use a few champs for every fight. I wouln't want a game where it's simply just nuking the defender as fast as possible without any strategy to it.

Genghis_Slim

@Ayden_noah1 Decathalon got it…😂 but this is a fight. I believe a more relevant example would be an olympic boxing match 🥊

TyEdge

@Ayden_noah1 Decathalon got it…😂 but this is a fight. I believe a more relevant example would be an olympic boxing match 🥊

No, a more relevant example would be two boxing matches. One boxer sucks and gets his teeth knocked in, but he lands one big punch for a KO. That’s you.

The other boxer controls the fight on a tactical level, does almost as much damage to the opponent as you did, and takes a small fraction of the beating you took.

You did 100% damage and took 74%. He did 83% damage and only took 12.5%. Come on. And despite all of that, you were about 5 seconds from winning. Next time try for 69

Genghis_Slim

@TyEdge Huh 😂😂😂 have a drink buddy, take a breath, control your emotions. You aren’t making much sense right now 😂😂😂

[Deleted User]

You performed knowing the requirements for a win and failed to meet them

Genghis_Slim

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AverageDesi

You got hit(or otherwise) and lost a lot of health. That makes you a bad player. So you lost

Opx

Why would you like to win? You played it terribly wrong. You're low on HP but he didn't kill the defender, but overall he played better.

Genghis_Slim

@AverageDesi damn im a bad player…😭😂😂

Genghis_Slim

@Opx you kinda answered it yourself

Drago_von_Drago

@Ayden_noah1 Decathalon got it…😂 but this is a fight. I believe a more relevant example would be an olympic boxing match 🥊
No, a more relevant example would be two boxing matches. One boxer sucks and gets his teeth knocked in, but he lands one big punch for a KO. That’s you.

The other boxer controls the fight on a tactical level, does almost as much damage to the opponent as you did, and takes a small fraction of the beating you took.

You did 100% damage and took 74%. He did 83% damage and only took 12.5%. Come on. And despite all of that, you were about 5 seconds from winning. Next time try for 69

Always fascinating how differently people can view something.

If we’re talking boxing, it wasn’t one lucky punch after getting pummeled for 9 rounds. It was one round, one guy played it safe and won by the scorecard and one guy went all out, took a risk, and got the KO. I’ll always have more respect for the fighter that gives it 100%, takes a risk and gets a KO over the one who plays it slow and safe and doesn’t take risks.

I think there’s a way with nodes to avoid a nuke fest but maybe not. Either way, counters still matter. I’d argue it’s not the best counter if someone else can reliably win the fight significantly faster. You’d be taking a risk going for the KO and ending up at low health. If you misjudge it and get KOed yourself and your opponent played a little safer they can still win. I just think a fighting game that doesn’t prioritize finishing the fight is kinda silly but I’m the outlier here based on the feedback on this thread and many others and I’m ok with that.