Sure. If that's your take, have at it. I don't care what you call me or my words. I know what I said. I could have been more direct but that would have been combative. I could have pointed out how unbelievably broken it is to have a Champ that continuously Special Locks the opponent with a lather, rinse, repeat cycle. Design-wise, if they wanted to present anything challenging, it would have to include Root Immunity on every Node. That I chose my words to be respectful. I'm not the one trolling or looking for conflict here. My comments speak for themselves, just like others do. Have fun with the discussion.
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
. . . Kabam acknowledged that their communication was bad and they could have done better. The acknowledged that they intentionally didn't communicate it through other means and that this was a mistake. They promised to do better.
All of that, is amazing. I can't actually stress that enough. That accountability is fantastic and is honestly something they might not have done a couple of years ago. I concede to your point that the player base absolutely needs to give Kabam more props for this. . . .
(This may wind up being a double post, so I apologize if it is, but my first post disappeared into approval limbo because I tried to make formatting edits.....)
I am not speaking to the issue of RDTs, but when it comes to communication I don't believe they should get any credit for it at this point. This isn't some isolated or rare instance of communication failure on their part and it definitely is not the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 20th time they have trotted out the "promise to do better" line. At this point, in my opinion, it is completely meaningless because it is never backed up with lasting action.
There have been many times in the past that they have promised to do better at communicating on the forums, in-game and even on Trello, and most of the time they then make no visible effort to do so at all. On the rare instances when we do see some increase in communication it doesn't last for any significant period of time.
I get that Mike and Jax don't get to decide themselves what information we are given but they shouldn't make promises they aren't empowered to follow through on. It seems clear that outside of PR type communication of new champs and events to hype people up and hopefully get them to spend money the people with actual power and authority within Kabam don't care at all about providing us with transparency and decent communication.
If they cared about communicating with us they could have more forum staff besides Mike and Jax who can post on the forums and not just the others who do nothing but shut down threads, put people in jail or issue warning points, move posts to other sections of the forums where they will just disappear or issue cut and paste meaningless replies.
Trello is a joke because it hardly ever gets updated and it hardly offers any details to actually understand what they are considering an issue to be. I stopped wasting my time regularly looking at it after a few months just like after years I finally (for the most part) stopped trying to report issues I run into with the game and most of the time don't even bother looking at the bug section of the forums anymore. I generally don't even bother submitting support tickets when I run into account issues, even though I can actually answer all of their security questions, because of how worthless their support has historically been (cut and paste responses, replying with things that have nothing to do with what you wrote which clearly shows they either have no language comprehension skills or just don't actually bother to read what you write a lot of the times and other frustrating experiences).
I don't know if they have an actual strategy to create learned helplessness in us or it is just a happy byproduct for them but it is a phenomenon that seems to be happening more and more with businesses these days who provide worse and worse, or no, customer support.
RDTs were created for a very specific purpose. Since then, they've been extended for a number of other reasons and not only does that confuse what they're for, it just fuels the demand for more. "You gave them then....you gave them for this....you gave them for that...." That's not just my feelings. It's been proven over the years.
You’re clearly never going to stop posting in this thread until everyone else does so can you elaborate on this point?
What was the very specific purpose they were created for? What “other reasons” were they later extended for? When else have they been given that wasn’t reasonable in your view?
If changing a game mechanic that negatively impacts a champ with no warning and no mention of it in the post dedicated to explaining the champs rebalance wasn’t enough justification, would anything justify it in your opinion?
RDTs were created for a very specific purpose. Since then, they've been extended for a number of other reasons and not only does that confuse what they're for, it just fuels the demand for more. "You gave them then....you gave them for this....you gave them for that...." That's not just my feelings. It's been proven over the years.
You’re clearly never going to stop posting in this thread until everyone else does so can you elaborate on this point?
What was the very specific purpose they were created for? What “other reasons” were they later extended for? When else have they been given that wasn’t reasonable in your view?
If changing a game mechanic that negatively impacts a champ with no warning and no mention of it in the post dedicated to explaining the champs rebalance wasn’t enough justification, would anything justify it in your opinion?
What was the very specific purpose they were created for? What “other reasons” were they later extended for? When else have they been given that wasn’t reasonable in your view?
RDTs were created for a very specific purpose. Since then, they've been extended for a number of other reasons and not only does that confuse what they're for, it just fuels the demand for more. "You gave them then....you gave them for this....you gave them for that...." That's not just my feelings. It's been proven over the years.
You’re clearly never going to stop posting in this thread until everyone else does so can you elaborate on this point?
What was the very specific purpose they were created for? What “other reasons” were they later extended for? When else have they been given that wasn’t reasonable in your view?
If changing a game mechanic that negatively impacts a champ with no warning and no mention of it in the post dedicated to explaining the champs rebalance wasn’t enough justification, would anything justify it in your opinion?
Bro he said bye! Don't ask him for more please.
He’s said he’s done more than a few times already but here we are.
So Zemo now only has one rotation you can go for, which is the sp2 sp1 sp1 rotation, giving you 31 bleeds per usage. I’m running 5/5 deep wounds, my Zemo is rank 5 max sig with a rank 3 5 star valk relic. Basically as topped up as a Zemo can be. Now let’s see what his damage output looks like compared to some other skill champions…
°Rank 5 max sig Zemo:
°Rank 4 unawakened Kate Bishop:
°Rank 1 7 star unawakened Hawkeye:
°Rank 4 sig 180 Attuma:
°Rank 3 Masacre:
°Rank 3 Ronin:
°Rank 1 7 star Killmonger:
°Rank 4 Aegon with 0 persistent charges:
In my opinion, if Shuri got a buff when her damage was better than this, he deserves one too. What do you think?
Post I just made comparing Zemo’s damage to some others. He has worse damage than Killmonger, since 7 stars are less than r5 6 stars
I really hope you’ll manage to not be so controversial and agree with people more in the future, I don’t think you’re evil, but you’re too much of a devil’s advocate…
Could you guys just move on with the thread and stop quoting and answering him pls? Geez
Never
Arguing with someone who's consistently not gonna change their mind is just a noise fest and nothing but asking for drama. Yet, again another serious topic turns into community vs GW.
Why didn’t kabam post this trello board anywhere else? Nothing about it here or in game. Kabam mike made it sound like this was an obvious thing that everyone should know about. Kabam ignorance yet again but this time they could have rectified their mistake and chose not to. Not cool at all.
Yes, I knew about it before Miike pointed it out. The Forum isn't just here for one purpose alone. There is information here. If someone takes the time to read the Posts they make, as well as other Players, it's not hard to see what's shared. You're right, it wasn't communicated here. It was also not inquired about. No one asked if the interaction was supposed to be that way. They just Ranked him. Calling me a Troll is the standard response when someone says things that don't line up with what people want. I get it. People are upset about the lack of communication. They're upset Tickets were given in one instance and not the other. I can see that. Just because I don't agree that Tickets should be given doesn't mean I'm ignorant to that. I have two sides. One that feels for people investing Resources in something that has changed, and another side that believes Tickets are only for a specific situation. That situation becomes less and less clear each time they're given in other circumstances, and they're asked for again and again. I'm not sure how it's unclear that someone can hold different views on something, but as I said before, nothing is ever black-and-white.
Nobody is calling you a troll because your view isn't aligning with other people. People are calling you a troll because you keep repeating the same talking points over and over again with no substance behind it despite numerous different perspectives being put in front of you. It's always the same "I just don't feel like RDTs should be given" even if there seem to be precedent for it, even though it seems like the decision that would make the most people happy, even though it seems warranted by Kabam using a Trello board that 99.999% of the community hasn't heard about to justify their lack of communication, even though it would require minimal additional effort since they already agreed to send out Kraven RDTs, even though it will do nothing to alter the game economy. You sound like a video game NPC repeating the same lines over and over again.
That precedent is one of my issues with it. If you've been following.
Again, you keep repeating that without explaining why you have a problem with it. The precedent has been set already, you can't change that no matter how much you want. If your reasoning is just "It's my opinion, I feel like it" that's precisely why people call you a troll and nobody takes you seriously.
We're here to express our "feelings and opinions". Besides that, I've already explained it pages ago. RDTs were created for a very specific purpose. Since then, they've been extended for a number of other reasons and not only does that confuse what they're for, it just fuels the demand for more. "You gave them then....you gave them for this....you gave them for that...." That's not just my feelings. It's been proven over the years. You can call it what you like, but we're not going to agree on this. If I don't agree with Kabam’s decision to give them, although I respect it, then I'm not going to agree with the demand on the Player's side either. I also extended that same respect to the Players, but people seem dead-set on arguing because I don't agree that Tickets are warranted.
Bruh, RDTs are for situations like this, kabam makes a pretty large nerf to two champs and doesn’t communicate in the right way. Kabam could have made a post here or in game and it would have been more acceptable. Please stop defending kabam every single freaking post. We understand you’re a narc but please just accept that kabam isn’t always right, they make mistakes like most companies.
Could you guys just move on with the thread and stop quoting and answering him pls? Geez
Never
Arguing with someone who's consistently not gonna change their mind is just a noise fest and nothing but asking for drama. Yet, again another serious topic turns into community vs GW.
I think it’s fair to compare this to shangchi’s nerf. He could indefinitely stun lock on most nodes and matches. They went ahead and nerfed this ability and didn’t offer any rdt. However the change happened pretty quickly after his release (I want to say after a week or so) and they announced on the forums that this feature was not supposed to happen. In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.
Could you guys just move on with the thread and stop quoting and answering him pls? Geez
Never
Arguing with someone who's consistently not gonna change their mind is just a noise fest and nothing but asking for drama. Yet, again another serious topic turns into community vs GW.
No one was asking for drama. I expressed my thoughts on it. I pointed out that it's been my view for years. I acknowledged the other side. I clarified I wasn't trying to inhibit anyone from expressing their feelings on it. I even pointed out that my view isn't going to change on it, and respectfully agreed to disagree. The rest is not on me. No one is being dramatic or controversial. It's a different opinion. Simple as that. Not every opinion on the Forum is going to coincide with what everyone else wants.
I think it’s fair to compare this to shangchi’s nerf. He could indefinitely stun lock on most nodes and matches. They went ahead and nerfed this ability and didn’t offer any rdt. However the change happened pretty quickly after his release (I want to say after a week or so) and they announced on the forums that this feature was not supposed to happen. In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.
Shang Chi was inmediate, not after announcing rebalance notes..
I think it’s fair to compare this to shangchi’s nerf. He could indefinitely stun lock on most nodes and matches. They went ahead and nerfed this ability and didn’t offer any rdt. However the change happened pretty quickly after his release (I want to say after a week or so) and they announced on the forums that this feature was not supposed to happen. In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.
Shang Chi was inmediate, not after announcing rebalance notes..
Yes. They changed his ability right away and announced it on the forums unlike zemo
Could you guys just move on with the thread and stop quoting and answering him pls? Geez
Never
Arguing with someone who's consistently not gonna change their mind is just a noise fest and nothing but asking for drama. Yet, again another serious topic turns into community vs GW.
No one was asking for drama. I expressed my thoughts on it. I pointed out that it's been my view for years. I acknowledged the other side. I clarified I wasn't trying to inhibit anyone from expressing their feelings on it. I even pointed out that my view isn't going to change on it, and respectfully agreed to disagree. The rest is not on me. No one is being dramatic or controversial. It's a different opinion. Simple as that. Not every opinion on the Forum is going to coincide with what everyone else wants.
Your thought is that RDTs should not exist, open your own post and take discuss it with Kabam... They have created RDTs as a resource to correct their own mistakes... The existance of RDTs is not the argument here... You are trying to shift the goal that way... The reason why people feel like you are trolling them is cause you keep your argument based on saying "I dont believe in RDT, so I can't agree that they give them away"...Does your belief really matter when Kabam created them and use them as a resource NEEDED for some situations? Go open your own ticket and ask Kabam to remove RDTs and stop agitating people who feel cheated... They are not asking for a generic RDT, they are asking for 1 target champion RDT... There is no taking advantage here. And your mention about being belittled, force to agree, your argument is straight with Kabam and not with the people feeling cheated...
It does seem like you prefer to argue about arguing and not the actual topic of the thread.
This thread grows fast so I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed the questions asked a little bit ago to help us understand your position.
How does it work explain it to me as if I was a 5 year old? So easy and ignorant to try to argue with people who were affected based on "Oh I don't believe RDTs should be given"... People are feeling cheated.. you could just stay on the bleachers; but your choice is to poke em over something that didn't affect you at all
Just let it go. Jesus. The only people persisting in this are the ones who are preaching respect. I said I sympathized with the OP's situation pages ago. If you can't accept that someone has a different view, you have no business on the Forum.
Just let it go. Jesus. The only people persisting in this are the ones who are preaching respect. I said I sympathized with the OP's situation pages ago. If you can't accept that someone has a different view, you have no business on the Forum.
You also said you were done with this.. yet here you are still pissing off the same AFFECTED people making valid arguments. And you think the OP.wants your sympathy? You think your sympathy is even worth the 99.99 he spent on Zemo?
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I could have been more direct but that would have been combative. I could have pointed out how unbelievably broken it is to have a Champ that continuously Special Locks the opponent with a lather, rinse, repeat cycle. Design-wise, if they wanted to present anything challenging, it would have to include Root Immunity on every Node. That
I chose my words to be respectful. I'm not the one trolling or looking for conflict here.
My comments speak for themselves, just like others do. Have fun with the discussion.
If i could choose between the Moleman Treatment and the the Hood Action taken.
I go with the Hood!
I get that would involve much more Work, effort and time. Which is sparse in mystic Crystal backroll Times. But THAT would be the right thing Imho.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
I am not speaking to the issue of RDTs, but when it comes to communication I don't believe they should get any credit for it at this point. This isn't some isolated or rare instance of communication failure on their part and it definitely is not the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 20th time they have trotted out the "promise to do better" line. At this point, in my opinion, it is completely meaningless because it is never backed up with lasting action.
There have been many times in the past that they have promised to do better at communicating on the forums, in-game and even on Trello, and most of the time they then make no visible effort to do so at all. On the rare instances when we do see some increase in communication it doesn't last for any significant period of time.
I get that Mike and Jax don't get to decide themselves what information we are given but they shouldn't make promises they aren't empowered to follow through on. It seems clear that outside of PR type communication of new champs and events to hype people up and hopefully get them to spend money the people with actual power and authority within Kabam don't care at all about providing us with transparency and decent communication.
If they cared about communicating with us they could have more forum staff besides Mike and Jax who can post on the forums and not just the others who do nothing but shut down threads, put people in jail or issue warning points, move posts to other sections of the forums where they will just disappear or issue cut and paste meaningless replies.
Trello is a joke because it hardly ever gets updated and it hardly offers any details to actually understand what they are considering an issue to be. I stopped wasting my time regularly looking at it after a few months just like after years I finally (for the most part) stopped trying to report issues I run into with the game and most of the time don't even bother looking at the bug section of the forums anymore. I generally don't even bother submitting support tickets when I run into account issues, even though I can actually answer all of their security questions, because of how worthless their support has historically been (cut and paste responses, replying with things that have nothing to do with what you wrote which clearly shows they either have no language comprehension skills or just don't actually bother to read what you write a lot of the times and other frustrating experiences).
I don't know if they have an actual strategy to create learned helplessness in us or it is just a happy byproduct for them but it is a phenomenon that seems to be happening more and more with businesses these days who provide worse and worse, or no, customer support.
What was the very specific purpose they were created for? What “other reasons” were they later extended for? When else have they been given that wasn’t reasonable in your view?
If changing a game mechanic that negatively impacts a champ with no warning and no mention of it in the post dedicated to explaining the champs rebalance wasn’t enough justification, would anything justify it in your opinion?
Yet, again another serious topic turns into community vs GW.
Please stop defending kabam every single freaking post. We understand you’re a narc but please just accept that kabam isn’t always right, they make mistakes like most companies.
In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.
The rest is not on me.
No one is being dramatic or controversial. It's a different opinion. Simple as that. Not every opinion on the Forum is going to coincide with what everyone else wants.
They have created RDTs as a resource to correct their own mistakes...
The existance of RDTs is not the argument here... You are trying to shift the goal that way...
The reason why people feel like you are trolling them is cause you keep your argument based on saying "I dont believe in RDT, so I can't agree that they give them away"...Does your belief really matter when Kabam created them and use them as a resource NEEDED for some situations?
Go open your own ticket and ask Kabam to remove RDTs and stop agitating people who feel cheated...
They are not asking for a generic RDT, they are asking for 1 target champion RDT... There is no taking advantage here.
And your mention about being belittled, force to agree, your argument is straight with Kabam and not with the people feeling cheated...
This thread grows fast so I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed the questions asked a little bit ago to help us understand your position.
So easy and ignorant to try to argue with people who were affected based on "Oh I don't believe RDTs should be given"... People are feeling cheated.. you could just stay on the bleachers; but your choice is to poke em over something that didn't affect you at all
And you think the OP.wants your sympathy? You think your sympathy is even worth the 99.99 he spent on Zemo?